Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[Althugz]

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

[ono]

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

You don't. That's my point. It could be that he is naturally a lot bigger than what we all think. So once he fights at the heavier weights, his core stength is pretty much already there.....because he's fighting at a natural weight. Wheras Ricky has to consciously weight-train, specifically to add the 7lb of muscle.

What you've put in bold is pretty much what i'm thinking....altho i don't know how much Floyd drained himself at 130/135.

[bambamdaddio]

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

Who said anything about draining... its strict regime... correct trainig & nutrition ...if Hatton strips the fat & excess fluid down through a combo of decent aerobic & anaerobic training .. whats he left with .. lean muscle, lean muscle that dont have to carry the extra fat around..

The carbs of the diet would be used as training fuel essentially so there would be no excess gained or stored,,,

[ono]

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

Who said anything about draining... its strict regime... correct trainig & nutrition ...if Hatton strips the fat & excess fluid down through a combo of decent aerobic & anaerobic training .. whats he left with .. lean muscle, lean muscle that dont have to carry the extra fat around..

The carbs of the diet would be used as training fuel essentially so there would be no excess gained or stored,,,

Sorry, i'm not understanding your point. I don't mean that in a rude way.....i'm just a little confused by your post. I think he was talking about Floyd being weight-drained.....not Ricky.

[bambamdaddio]

That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

Who said anything about draining... its strict regime... correct trainig & nutrition ...if Hatton strips the fat & excess fluid down through a combo of decent aerobic & anaerobic training .. whats he left with .. lean muscle, lean muscle that dont have to carry the extra fat around..

The carbs of the diet would be used as training fuel essentially so there would be no excess gained or stored,,,

Sorry, i'm not understanding your point. I don't mean that in a rude way.....i'm just a little confused by your post. I think he was talking about Floyd being weight-drained.....not Ricky.

Sorry bud my mis understanding ... lol but Im getting it at all angles & trying to be fair in replyi to you all is no mean fete

[bambamdaddio]

Maybe Hatton just feels stronger fitter better at lw or why fight a career there if that aint the case then ?