HBO Triple header:Kirkland vs.Julio-Ortiz vs.Arnaoutis-Guerrero vs.Yordan

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Originally Posted by No Contest

From the first ding of the bell Kirkland was moving forward, too bad for Julio he doesn't box well backing up. Kirkland just mauled him, showed a good chin again, but I think a good counter-puncher who can box backing up will give him a hard time.

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Kirkland on the bright side seems to have a good jab, he should use it more. And he seems to move his head well but only after he is hit

I was impressed with Kirkland.....I had a question about his chin but it seemed to hold up pretty well.

It did seem that Julio wasnt in very good shape for the bout....

Am i the only one that thinks Anne Wolfe is a hottie ;D;D;D

For what its worth i thought kirkland thought a fantastic fight and this should now elevate him to the big guns at 154 and maybe even a shot at santos next up.

As long as he`s team keep him away from drindrizuk and williams i see no reason why he cant be a world champ within the next year

First off I gotta say what a gype with that Guerraro fight. I hope there is a rematch from the little we seen Yordan looked like a good challenge.

Victor Ortiz what can you say but wow.

As for Kirkland I do not see him as a champion. He is too wide open for the right hand. Julio was a good test but he was moving up from welterweight. I kept shouting at the t.v. This man can not be missed with a right hand!!
A good fight would be against Angulo.

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

I agree with much of your post. I'm still not sold on him. He does have a good chin and power. He is so wide open. A good counter puncher with power could cause Kirkland a lot of trouble.

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I love Kirkland!! I really like his story along with Anne Wolfe. He reminds me of a young Tyson in that he is a FIGHTER - who attempts to take his opponent's will to fight away. I've never seen Julio look so helpless. I was watching with my son and I kept explaining to him that Julio is NOT as bad as he looks, backing up the entire fight. It was just that Kirkland imposed his will and even when he got caught with good shots, he seemed to really enjoy contact. Before the interview, I joked that I'm sure that Wolfe beats Kirkland silly during training camp - and she said the same thing. I love her quote that she doesn't try to push a fighter's body and mind in camp, but she tries to push the limits of their spirit. I can't wait for Kirkland to get his next "test" because that is one tough young fighter. I also love how from the each bell, he has to have the quickest punch in all of boxing. It takes him about a half a second to get started. At one pt, when the ref told them the break and then said "Let's go" meaning start fighting, Kirkland hit him so fast that Julio complained and the ref even broke them up to tell Julio to listen and Kirkland as well. Kirkland only followed the ref's command to start, but he did it so fast - the ref said "keep it clean" like he was saying "James, when I say start you are supposed to give the other guy a chance to get ready before you try to knock his head off". That was hilarious to me.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

"Mandingo Warrior" sucks as a nickname. Shades of Kenny Norton who starred in the movie, "Mandingo." Good God! I'll bet Kirkland doen't know what Mandingo means.....

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That's the point. Not just a movie but a book first. Just homage to Mandika tribe of West Africa and their decendents, one of which was the main character of Alex Haley's Roots - in which Haley claimed to be a Mandika decendent as well.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Am i the only one that thinks Anne Wolfe is a hottie ;D;D;Dr

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She scares me - a lot.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

That stoppage was way early in the Ortiz fight.

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Totally disagree. The ref was pretty much forced to stop the fight when Arnaoutis stood there looking at the floor and not throwing a single punch. Notice the ref didn't stop it until Ortiz started landing clean punches in the corner. He let it continue as long as Arnaoutis wasn't getting hit clean.

I guess that's one argument for the standing 8; not that I support it. Again I don't think that was early, but I'd rather see an early stoppage; which favors a longer career.

As for Kirkland and his "straight in, Julio should have been able to clock him" style. I think some consideration/possible credit has to be given to his camp for choosing a fight plan that worked against Julio. Time will tell if they are able to change things up against an opponent with different strengths/weaknesses.

FUCK ealry stoppage shitfuck, blumpkin ass jagermeifter

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

First off I gotta say what a gype with that Guerraro fight. I hope there is a rematch from the little we seen Yordan looked like a good challenge.

Victor Ortiz what can you say but wow.

As for Kirkland I do not see him as a champion. He is too wide open for the right hand. Julio was a good test but he was moving up from welterweight. I kept shouting at the t.v. This man can not be missed with a right hand!!
A good fight would be against Angulo.

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Angulo was there watching, I bet it gets lined up soon.

...great night at the tank, me and the wife had a great time and got the chance to meet a lot of cool people involved in the sport.

Victor Ortiz is the first person with more than like 99 cents to their name that actually wants to eat at Taco Bell

I think Daud would have beaten Guerrero I really do.

I've seen Daud fight before he's bad news for anyone the kids got lot's of talent he comes from a boxing family and has been in a gym all his life.

If you run a search in this board and look for his name you'll see that I mentioned him a few months back and I've only seen 1 of his fights but I was thouroughly impressed with the kid.

I think Guerrero found the easy way out and Kellerman sure made it known didn't he. ;D


Stellar performance by Victor :appl: I think the kid showed great poise and control in the ring. I think it was smart of him to show he could box and give himself a new look.
I think the fact that he blasted Mike is insane if you recall I said Mike would be a good fight for him as Mike would take him the distance and we could see how Victor handles that... Well.. ummmm. that wasn't the case.

The spotlight though was on Kirkland and wow I gotta say I was wrong about the kid and he shut me the fuck up. I said this fight could only end in 2 ways early TKO for Julio or decision Julio but I could not see Kirkland wining. Well he won and not only won but he whopped that ass allover the fucking ring. Not impressed with his skills because he's too come forward and needs to learn a handful of things before getting near anyone with world class skills. A jab for starters and waist movement.

All in all a good night for boxing.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I think Daud would have beaten Guerrero I really do.

I've seen Daud fight before he's bad news for anyone the kids got lot's of talent he comes from a boxing family and has been in a gym all his life.

If you run a search in this board and look for his name you'll see that I mentioned him a few months back and I've only seen 1 of his fights but I was thouroughly impressed with the kid.

I think Guerrero found the easy way out and Kellerman sure made it known didn't he. ;D


Stellar performance by Victor :appl: I think the kid showed great poise and control in the ring. I think it was smart of him to show he could box and give himself a new look.
I think the fact that he blasted Mike is insane if you recall I said Mike would be a good fight for him as Mike would take him the distance and we could see how Victor handles that... Well.. ummmm. that wasn't the case.

The spotlight though was on Kirkland and wow I gotta say I was wrong about the kid and he shut me the fuck up. I said this fight could only end in 2 ways early TKO for Julio or decision Julio but I could not see Kirkland wining. Well he won and not only won but he whopped that ass allover the fucking ring. Not impressed with his skills because he's too come forward and needs to learn a handful of things before getting near anyone with world class skills. A jab for starters and waist movement.

All in all a good night for boxing.

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I'm a big fan of Ronald Hearns. That being said, I DON'T want to see him in the ring with Kirkland. Kirkland would eat him alive. You're right in that he doesn't use head feints enough and his defense is pretty much what he can block with his hands en route to throwing another punch, but he's going to cook quite a few guys alive before he tastes his first defeat. I think Forrest is still good enough to beat him, maybe Mora. You're going to need power and the ability to fight going backwards to beat Kirkland. Julio being forced to fight on his heels took him way out of his game and he was uncomfortable the entire time. Kirkland has a killer-killer instinct. He tasted early success and forgot about the body. Wolfe needs to work on his focus more, the kid has a ton of determination, but he needs to develop a ring intelligence. Maybe if they could bring in a Mayweather, but I think that could be very disastrous for Team Kirkland if everybody doesn't get along.

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Originally Posted by DC Amateur Boxing

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Am i the only one that thinks Anne Wolfe is a hottie ;D;D;Dr

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She scares me - a lot.

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She's not an unattractive woman, but it's kind of weird that I saw a picture of her bare arms and that was when I realized I found her attractive.

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Originally Posted by Killface

...Kirkland has a killer-killer instinct. He tasted early success and forgot about the body. Wolfe needs to work on his focus more, the kid has a ton of determination, but he needs to develop a ring intelligence. Maybe if they could bring in a Mayweather, but I think that could be very disastrous for Team Kirkland if everybody doesn't get along.

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It was good to hear that in the corner, Anne was giving good advice along those lines. So a lot of it may be a lack of maturity on Kirkland's part; which is probably why you think someone like Forrest could beat him? I like his chances to learn, however, judging by the apparent knowledge of his camp. It could be, though, that only the pain of a defeat would drive home the importance of those lessons?

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Mighty Mike woz robbed. Quite clearly his plan was to sucker Ortiz in by letting him get a combination, then BAM! he decapitates him with an uppercut! Obviously the corrupt practices of GBP & the ref denied this KO of the year

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I hope they watched Oriz carefully wrap his hands. I also hope the do an extensive urine sample.

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lol JesterJazMerkin, Mickey Mouse career just got saved, let me guess he was looking at the canvas not throwing punches back because he was actually looking for a lost contact lens?

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Mighty Mike woz robbed. Quite clearly his plan was to sucker Ortiz in by letting him get a combination, then BAM! he decapitates him with an uppercut! Obviously the corrupt practices of GBP & the ref denied this KO of the year

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I hope they watched Oriz carefully wrap his hands. I also hope the do an extensive urine sample.

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lol JesterJazMerkin, Mickey Mouse career just got saved, let me guess he was looking at the canvas not throwing punches back because he was actually looking for a lost contact lens?

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I neg repped you for talking bad about Mike in such a meritless and degrading way.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I hope they watched Oriz carefully wrap his hands. I also hope the do an extensive urine sample.

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lol JesterJazMerkin, Mickey Mouse career just got saved, let me guess he was looking at the canvas not throwing punches back because he was actually looking for a lost contact lens?

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I neg repped you for talking bad about Mike in such a meritless and degrading way.

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Thx for neg rep, sorry the air was let out of your mans sails .... Mickey Mouse was just another over rated European boxer getting embarrassed on the big stage!