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Shit i picked Abraham to win on points... 7 fucking seconds :(
this contest dosn't look good for Froch he hung on against taylor and only won because of the KO... think he might come last in this contest because blocking punches with your chin just isnt as effective at this level... we'll see :)
anyways great win for Abraham.
loving this stuff and hats off to showtime 8)
Taylor is really lucky that he is in this tournament, because he still has 2 big fights guarenteed to him. If this was just a regular fight, he would only be getting fights with tomato cans, and up and comers, since he has lost 4 of his last 5 fights, with 3 of them by brutal knock out.
Beginning to take to Tarver, not blowing smoke up Dirrell's arse cos hes American quite refreshing!!
I need my boxing fan card revoked, I missed the fight to get my winter garden vegetables :mad:.
Didn't do it on purpose, thought it was starting in 20 minutes. At least I can catch the Showtime replay.
Great start to the tour. Abraham's merit to win in this thing has just shot thru the roof, as Taylor has people wondering if he should even have been a part.
Looking forward to the Froch/Dirrell fight and see where it stands from there.
So tune into this thread to follow it live, and hopefully we get another exciting match!
Kess and Abraham HAS to happen.Dont think he'll be able to take portions of round off like that,was coasting as rounds closed.
Taylor should not continue in this I believe.He looks hesitant,unclear.So repetitive in actions..rocks to and fro,left arm at waist...jab...touch head.Rinse repeat.
Froch will make Abraham work harder but he'll give him endless chances to land a big punch like that one. If Taylor can knock Froch down then Abraham can do some damage. Abraham over Froch. And now Bernard Dunne getting sparked.
iam done with Taylor f+++14 seconds to go and he get s kod had enough now drinking until the Froch fight and ive picked Dirrell god it gets worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:l
Happy with this result. I've been saying I fancy Abraham to win the tournament all week on facebook and friends have argued otherwise. I'm in work so can't watch this so thanks for the updates!
Taylor just didn't look in shape for me at the weigh in. Nowhere near as lean as the other fighters and if you look back at some of the promo photos he hasn't kept in shape between fights. Difficult to see him soldiering on after this defeat. Can't believe he was KO'd same time as the Froch fight!
Look forward to the commentary for the Froch fight now!
Unlucky on the Taylor prediction. I mean that sincerelyQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Abraham would smash Froch to bits. Take that to the bank.
That's right, I did pick Abraham by decision :shakehead:
Cheating bastardQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I remember months ago you picking Taylor for that fight :beat:
Hahahah first time I seen this Dunne fight and them daft Irish fucking commentators are the most biased pair of idiots i have ever heard, im sitting here really wanting to smash there heads in, just totally ignoring everything the other bloke does!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Good thing that bet I tried to place this morning timed out :o ;D I should just stick to posting but all the Americans as underdogs tempted me. The only other time I placed a bet was Hopkins/Pavlik and that worked out pretty well for me.
No wait, wait
I picked Abraham by TKO :cool:
hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Hahahah first time I seen this Dunne fight and them daft Irish fucking commentators are the most biased pair of idiots i have ever heard, im sitting here really wanting to smash there heads in, just totally ignoring everything the other bloke does!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
They're funking murder ain't they
Dunne is almost as chinny as Khan.
Hope they show the Froch/Dirrell fight first on Showtime
AA was definitively more impressive than Froch, he was well ahead on points before the KO produced and he totally controlled the fight.
The difference between them is not just in the defensive department, AA proving he’s more powerful as well.
But in the end I feel sorry for JT, this is a very bad defeat that could send him in the retirement.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Abraham is first mate.
Slipping badly on following the fights last number of days......A 7 o'clock start time ???
Beer run !
I really didn't expect to be watching Joe Bugner fight tonight. If you'd asked me earlier today what I'd be doing later on watching Joe Bugner would have been well down the list. I've eaten lots of special cake too so this is practically a psychadelic experience.
The worst thing that ever happened to Taylor was getting the nod over a slacking B-Hop twice he hasn't shown any improvement in his game since then. Not saying that as an excuse because I haven't seen the fight yet, but besides outclassing Ouma at a weight Ouma should never have fought at and putting on a relatively even performance in his draw against Wright he's not shown anything except mediocrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
Any room on that wagon for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Something about Abraham just makes me want to see him get sparked out at some point... a very punchable face. :mad:
Having said that though, that KO was frickin spectacular. Taylor went down like a sandbag, out cold!
The fact that Miranda was able to land flush on a full on broken jaw of Abraham gives me faith in his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieAny room on that wagon for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Something about Abraham just makes me want to see him get sparked out at some point... a very punchable face. :mad:
Having said that though, that KO was frickin spectacular. Taylor went down like a sandbag, out cold!
I know I'm a bit late, but...
They showed an Abraham KO before the fight, and obviously I've never seen it before, but it was the most sickening KO I've ever seen!
Er, and who actually thinks Taylor should fight again?
The one good thing about Abraham KO'ing Taylor in the first fight of the tournament, is that you know Froch and Dirrell were watching it, and now have it in their head that they need to get a KO to keep up in points, and this can make it an even better fight.
Same for when Kessler and Ward fight.
I don't think KOs are that important; remember only two fighters are going out in the first round and I doubt Taylor can recover from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
KO's are 2 points, that's a pretty big deal IMO as far as making points for keeping the spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76I don't think KOs are that important; remember only two fighters are going out in the first round and I doubt Taylor can recover from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
What can I say? You’re right.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe worst thing that ever happened to Taylor was getting the nod over a slacking B-Hop twice he hasn't shown any improvement in his game since then. Not saying that as an excuse because I haven't seen the fight yet, but besides outclassing Ouma at a weight Ouma should never have fought at and putting on a relatively even performance in his draw against Wright he's not shown anything except mediocrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
I’m not even a Taylor fan, but I thought he could do better than this, he was very close (about 14 sec.) to pull off a decision in UK against Froch.
I still think AA is not that good and guys like Kessler, Ward or Bute beat him.
I think the extra point for a ko is just a gimmick. I doubt it's mathematically possible to even make a difference to who the bottom to are, whether an extra point is awarded via ko or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76I don't think KOs are that important; remember only two fighters are going out in the first round and I doubt Taylor can recover from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
Can somebody with a brain work that out for me?
Obviously mathematically if you win two fights you have to be in the top 4 it would be impossible not to be. If you lose two fights I guess it would be mathematically impossible to qualify whether you won that other fight by ko or not.
Maybe if there is draw it will make a difference but its highly unlikely.
Maybe it affects seeding the semi finals or something?
Still its clearly a pointless gimmick.
It would had there been a bigger pool of fighters but four out of six makes the round-robin stage little more than a brilliant bit of fun: You may be right however, it may help the one American fighter who is going to scrape through into the semis :mwink:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepKO's are 2 points, that's a pretty big deal IMO as far as making points for keeping the spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76I don't think KOs are that important; remember only two fighters are going out in the first round and I doubt Taylor can recover from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
I'm not a fan either, but he is proof that man cannot survive on the jab alone contrary to what they tell you in boxing 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100What can I say? You’re right.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe worst thing that ever happened to Taylor was getting the nod over a slacking B-Hop twice he hasn't shown any improvement in his game since then. Not saying that as an excuse because I haven't seen the fight yet, but besides outclassing Ouma at a weight Ouma should never have fought at and putting on a relatively even performance in his draw against Wright he's not shown anything except mediocrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
I’m not even a Taylor fan, but I thought he could do better than this, he was very close (about 14 sec.) to pull off a decision in UK against Froch.
I still think AA is not that good and guys like Kessler, Ward or Bute beat him.
Well here's a simple scenario for you AA loses his next two another guy wins one fight by decision, Taylor loses all three, the extra point give Abraham the spot. See that wasn't hard was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think the extra point for a ko is just a gimmick. I doubt it's mathematically possible to even make a difference to who the bottom to are, whether an extra point is awarded via ko or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76I don't think KOs are that important; remember only two fighters are going out in the first round and I doubt Taylor can recover from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
Can somebody with a brain work that out for me?
Obviously mathematically if you win two fights you have to be in the top 4 it would be impossible not to be. If you lose two fights I guess it would be mathematically impossible to qualify whether you won that other fight by ko or not.
Maybe if there is draw it will make a difference but its highly unlikely.
Maybe it affects seeding the semi finals or something?
Still its clearly a pointless gimmick.
LOL, that's a good one... and you're right again. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI'm not a fan either, but he is proof that man cannot survive on the jab alone contrary to what they tell you in boxing 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100What can I say? You’re right.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I’m not even a Taylor fan, but I thought he could do better than this, he was very close (about 14 sec.) to pull off a decision in UK against Froch.
I still think AA is not that good and guys like Kessler, Ward or Bute beat him.
Ko's are only 1 extra point not two. They are not important at all. As the top 4 qualify if you win two fights its mathematically impossible not to qualify.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76It would had there been a bigger pool of fighters but four out of six makes the round-robin stage little more than a brilliant bit of fun: You may be right however, it may help the one American fighter who is going to scrape through into the semis :mwink:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepKO's are 2 points, that's a pretty big deal IMO as far as making points for keeping the spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
If you lose two fights, it would be mathematically impossible to qualify I believe even with a ko.
So the ko points are just meaningless ultimately in terms of making it to the semi's.
Urm? The draw isn't split is it? You can qualify with one win so long as two fighters lose all three.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboKo's are only 1 extra point not two. They are not important at all. As the top 4 qualify if you win two fights its mathematically impossible not to qualify.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76It would had there been a bigger pool of fighters but four out of six makes the round-robin stage little more than a brilliant bit of fun: You may be right however, it may help the one American fighter who is going to scrape through into the semis :mwink:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
If you lose two fights, it would be mathematically impossible to qualify I believe even with a ko.
So the ko points are just meaningless ultimately in terms of making it to the semi's.
*edit* Even if the draw was split you could still win just so long as one guy in your half of the draw lost all three (and, obviously, your one win came against that guy) although I'm sure the draw isn't split.
The 2 points can make a difference. Let's say Abraham loses one of his next two fights, then wins the other on points. He will have a total of 3 points.
And let's say that another fighter wins all three fights on points, he as well will have 3 points. So Abraham gives himself a little breathing room.
And as well, it still gives Taylor a shot at getting back in the game as well, if he finds some way to knock out his opponents. It won't happen, but it still gives him that chance.
The 4 with the most points, goes on to the semi-finals. So yeah, maximizing the points, is the best shot for them.
It really is only one extra point for a KO -So three in total.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
First off, its 2 for a win and 3 for a ko, so if he won his third he would have 5 points not 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
My point is there are only six fighters and therefore 5 possible opponents.
Ok lets look at this. If two fighters lost all three then KO's wouldnt matter because the top 4 qualify so 1 win would qualify whether you won by ko or not.
I'm not sure if its possible mathematically though for 1 person to lose all three and two people to only win one. It probably depends on the fight draw but if Abraham loses his next two, then Im not sure if they could mathematicall somehow avoid fighting either each other or Taylor in any of the other two rounds, so one of them would have to win.
Remember there are three rounds and only six fighters, so certain results cannot happen. For example its mathematically impossible for more than two fighters to get a 100 percent record after three fights, its also mathematically impossible for three fighters to have all losses because two of them will have to fight each other.
Im not sure if its mathematically possible for either three boxers to finish on 1-2 or have one boxer on 0-3 and two on 1-2.
Can someone please send me a link to where I can watch this being streamed?