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Honestly it played out as I thought it would, maybe Kessler got befuddled early but no way did I believe Kessler had any chance to win the decision. He's as brilliant of a boxing mind as there is for a guy so young and he showed it tonight, just schooled way beyond his years. Of course he still makes some amateurish mistakes but the footwork was just brilliant. A lot of things were, kept the pressure on good.
Kessler called it exactly right. The holding was unnaceptable and 5 'accidental' butts? Fair play on Ward on starting more quickly, but Kessler had no chance to get into it with all the foul play.
Ward just said "I'm not a dirty fighter". He is one of the nastiest pieces of work I have seen in a good few months, since Direll.
Was the ref fair?
The holding was just terrible and as soon as Ward was done hitting in the clinch the ref stepped in, are you all blind?
Why would Ward need to intentionally butt a fighter he was beating in literally every aspect of the game?
Kessler is such a sore loser, you could clearly see the headbutts were accidental. :rolleyes:
And as much as I commend Andre for his performance, he needs to lay off the Jesus when he is talking. Sounds a bit nutty... :-X
i called that either ward or dirrell would win this
so ward just DOMIATED the man that gave calzaghe the one fight he could point to :D
No matter how you put it, it wasn't the headbutts that did Kessler in.
The dark arts of Boxing man. Don't knock it :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I dunno about the ref but Ward wasn't excessive.
Anyway, Kessler couldn't be effective in a clinch if he's life depended on it. So actually, the ref did him a favour :p
Only the 2nd fight i've seen of Wards and i admit, i seriously underrated him. He's good.
Kessler didn't land a single notable overhand right. That fight was shockingly one sided. Ward even had Kessler hurt in the 4th. Ward has amazing speed and reflexes. Kessler virtually had no moments. Even the strongest hater/apologist can not deny who the better fighter is.
For an Irishman you sure make a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
:rofmaoal: Foul play or not it's obvious Kessler skills set couldn't match Ward's. Kessler looked lost all fukking night. He loses to Ward 10 out of 10 timesQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Agreed Kessler beats Froch...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHAgreed. That was a huge coming out party for Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I reiterate what I said earlier, if Ward goes on to win this thing Bilbo will have correctly predicted the winner.
Kessler is still going to starch Froch though.
IMO AA wins this whole thing, Abraham just seems to be heads and shoulders above everyone else
Did you miss the posts about the holding and the ref only stepping in once ward was done throwing?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yes or a no will do
Typical reaction, similar to Hopkins fights, this was domination headbutts or no headbutts, holding or no holding. The only reason Kessler halfway got into a couple rounds is because Ward allowed him to. When Ward stuck to Kessler's chest and outmuscled, outworked him on the inside that got in his head and like Tarver pointed out, he was looking for a way out. Headbutts or no headbutts, that was a clear Ward victory.
Exactly. Apologists please explain this intellectually.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
By the way I don't know why he butted him, maybe to make sure he had every advantage going? The ref seemed to miss every one, somehow.
Kessler just laid there on the inside and let Ward tee off. You can't rely on the ref to come in and break a clinch up just because you don't want to fight on the inside. Kessler was doing the majority of the holding early and that established him as the culprit in the refs eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelDid you miss the posts about the holding and the ref only stepping in once ward was done throwing?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yes or a no will do
I'm a huge Kessler fan, but he lost that fight fairly.
It's really to bad Royal isn't around, as much as I'm happy for Ward, it would have been 10 times better if Royal was still an active poster.
Well, I'm glad someones happy...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:rofmaoal: Foul play or not it's obvious Kessler skills set couldn't match Ward's. Kessler looked lost all fukking night. He loses to Ward 10 out of 10 timesQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think Kessler does a lot better in a rematch. He knows exactly what he's in there with now. I didn't thik Ward was as impressive as some are making him out to be.
I'd love to see AA win the whole thing, I've been a fan of his since the first Miranda fight. I honestly think he's going to get beat by Dirrell. I know that sounds insane. He'll destroy Froch though as long as he doesn't cover up and let Froch wail away.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAgreed Kessler beats Froch...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHAgreed. That was a huge coming out party for Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I reiterate what I said earlier, if Ward goes on to win this thing Bilbo will have correctly predicted the winner.
Kessler is still going to starch Froch though.
IMO AA wins this whole thing, Abraham just seems to be heads and shoulders above everyone else
Was a joke ref but it wouldnt matter Kessler was outclassed tonight, Just destroyed from the first minute.
Even when there wasn't any holding Kessler was still being out classedQuote:
Originally Posted by KelDid you miss the posts about the holding and the ref only stepping in once ward was done throwing?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yes or a no will do
I'd wager Royal is hanging from a closet door somewhere. Not only did Kessler get beat, he got beat by a black American. That'll kill Royal.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I said yes or a noQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHKessler just laid there on the inside and let Ward tee off. You can't rely on the ref to come in and break a clinch up just because you don't want to fight on the inside. Kessler was doing the majority of the holding early and that established him as the culprit in the refs eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelDid you miss the posts about the holding and the ref only stepping in once ward was done throwing?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yes or a no will do
I'm a huge Kessler fan, but he lost that fight fairly.
If that's all you've got then I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about this. I gave you my reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI said yes or a noQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHKessler just laid there on the inside and let Ward tee off. You can't rely on the ref to come in and break a clinch up just because you don't want to fight on the inside. Kessler was doing the majority of the holding early and that established him as the culprit in the refs eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I'm a huge Kessler fan, but he lost that fight fairly.
Lets take a minute and think of Janoerg the poor bloke i can imagine him drinking some Danish Whisky in his I luv Kessler t shirt with a box of tissues watching Kessler's best ko dvd.
Did you see the same fight man? when Kessler went forward he got hugged, whenever he caught that Hopkins clone he got hugged again. I ain't buying this shit, the fight was a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEven when there wasn't any holding Kessler was still being out classedQuote:
Originally Posted by KelDid you miss the posts about the holding and the ref only stepping in once ward was done throwing?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yes or a no will do
I am not sold on Ward, but will concede that he won the majority of the rounds. I thought his method of doing so was dubious, but he does have some skills. I maintain that Kessler is able to do much better in a rematch, which might well happen later on. Kessler is only just back proper after a long lay off and an easy tuneup, he will only get better.
kessler looked like the one-dimensional stiff robot that he is.
I'm not big on Ward's duck and hold style. And he did hold way to much. I'll give you that. But surely you had to see Kessler having trouble with Ward's speed and pretty much swinging and missing all night. That wild left hook attempt was just sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelDid you see the same fight man? when Kessler went forward he got hugged, whenever he caught that Hopkins clone he got hugged again. I ain't buying this shit, the fight was a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEven when there wasn't any holding Kessler was still being out classedQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
That entire post was actually just a collection of typos that formed perfect English. What I meant to say was;Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFor an Irishman you sure make a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
"Aye, sure Kessler be stupidly rantin' there now with the butts of the head makin' his noggin hot and stoking future regrets.
And your man Ward be spillin' out the words of the lord without relent, I be hearin' it in the way that makes me think of droppin' him off at the aul funny farm if he stumbled to me by chance..."
:cool:
Calzaghe was a puzzle Kessler could´nt solve :eek: and dam it Ward used the same pieces again.
What I saw was a Kessler that could not handle WARD, with or without headbutts I was impressed with ward.
An I hope we wont hear a lot of excurses from Kessler this time, it was just not his night.
I dont see Kessler win a rematch either, since he dont seem to have learn from the Calzaghe fight I doubt he will be able to do it this time either.
It's not normal for a fighter to slip or avoid a shot only to get hugged upon as they counter. The ref was pure shit, probably sells sheds or makes spoons for a living.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Are you serious kel? how often was it that Kessler was making an honest attempt to cut off the ring on Ward? I'd say after the second round he gave up. Ward eventually just started standing in front of him, and he still beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelDid you see the same fight man? when Kessler went forward he got hugged, whenever he caught that Hopkins clone he got hugged again. I ain't buying this shit, the fight was a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEven when there wasn't any holding Kessler was still being out classedQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Meh, I am not even going to bother reading any back posts about holding and what have you. Ward destroyed Kessler, plain and simple. I hate the fucking guy and all his church bullshit too and was rooting for the tattoo'd man, but he beat the snot out of kessler and made him look a chump.
I suspected as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieThat entire post was actually just a collection of typos that formed perfect English. What I meant to say was;Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFor an Irishman you sure make a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
"Aye, sure Kessler be stupidly rantin' there now with the butts of the head makin' his noggin hot and stoking future regrets.
And your man Ward be spillin' out the words of the lord without relent, I be hearin' it in the way that makes me think of droppin' him off at the aul funny farm if he stumbled to me by chance..."
:cool:
I think it does prove Kessler has always been a bit over rated as I have said alot, like VD says the holding was exessive but, Kessler was punching air all night in his bread and butter style which is just on the outside, Ward dominated Kessler at what Kesslers good at.
Ward looked good tonight I think he gives all the Euros fits. He also looked alot stronger than I thought he was.
Unfortunately, that's all I heard in his post-fight interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by thewhale
someone like chad dawson would've done MUCH better than Kessler did.
dawson actually knows how to in-fight and counter with shots that PBF would raise an eyebrow at.
kessler is so goddamn overrated.
yeah he got pissed and chucked a few swingers at Ward, I would too, at the fucking ref aswell. The cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI'm not big on Ward's duck and hold style. And he did hold way to much. I'll give you that. But surely you had to see Kessler having trouble with Ward's speed and pretty much swinging and missing all night. That wild left hook attempt was just sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelDid you see the same fight man? when Kessler went forward he got hugged, whenever he caught that Hopkins clone he got hugged again. I ain't buying this shit, the fight was a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Ward has skills, no denying that, but he got away with too much spoiling. I thought this was gonna be a belter and I stopped up for it so I'm disappointed.
I'll download it in the morning as I watched a stream tonight, I was hoping for a decent scrap and honestly thought it would be.
Fucking ward