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Are you talking about mayweather or pacquiao here? :confused:
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Take a look at the subject line in the OP and take a wild fucking guess.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Are you talking about mayweather or pacquiao here? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Mars_axTake a look at the subject line in the OP and take a wild fucking guess.Quote:
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Are you talking about mayweather or pacquiao here? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusOh man, thats worse than catchweights imo, the champion should come out last. Ortiz better keep his mentality in check and walk like a champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantzI'd bet everything I own that Floyd has made it one of his demands for the fight. No way does he come into the ring first after nearly a year and a half out. I'm sure Ortiz will be ok with it, though. He will be happy just to share a ring with Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus;D Hahaha. oh wow that will be wired! I wonder....Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantz
To early for my brain to work properly but it just happened not to long ago...... where the champ came out first... it was obviously a demand by the challenger with the bigger name.... uh....
Makes me wonder the same thing specially after someone agrees to all your terms and conditions and only asks you to comply with just one: random blood tests. Add to that all the silly contradicting excuses Manny has come up with as well as his trainers and Bob Arum.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYep he knows he's clean. What kind of fighter would turn down a big purse because of a harmless drug test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Someone is suspect.
Why would a promoter give a $40 Million Guarantee to Floyd for Ortiz when he got $22.5 for Mosley. Mosley was a mar-key name, while Ortiz is only breaking into the PPV scene. Golden Boy wouldn't match $5 Million for Marquez, they sure as hell wouldn't put up a purse more than $30 Million on Ortiz vs Mayweather. If Mayweather were to put up his own money to promote the fight, Assuming he get a $20 Million site fee and a $20 Million Guarantee, I could believe a gross $40 Million Guarantee. But first, I doubt he would put up the money, second I don't believe Vegas would pay $20 Million for the fight. $10-$15 Million Yea possibly. For that kind of money they need 750K guaranteed PPV sales to break even. The decision maker would need to be confident of 1 million ppv sales to buy into it. Ortiz just doesn't have a big enough name to make that happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantz
This is a good fight before Floyd fights Pac Man as Floyd has been inactive and needs to some rounds, it re-creates hype for the Manny fight, Ortiz is a southpaw, young and very hungry which is the type of opponent Pac Man has recently avoided. Floyd could do no better at welter than choose this opponent, the best available challenger. I hope Ortiz pulls out a victory which is doubtful but having seen the guy on ESPN he sounded a good guy who will give his all in this fight.
On the other hand, Mayweather is the lineal champ at the weight while Ortiz just owns an alphabet strap. I don't care about an alphabet holder coming out 2nd, but I've no time for THE MAN of the division being treated as the challenger in the way Martinez was against Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusOh man, thats worse than catchweights imo, the champion should come out last. Ortiz better keep his mentality in check and walk like a champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantzI'd bet everything I own that Floyd has made it one of his demands for the fight. No way does he come into the ring first after nearly a year and a half out. I'm sure Ortiz will be ok with it, though. He will be happy just to share a ring with Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus;D Hahaha. oh wow that will be wired! I wonder....Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantz
i for one am excited for this fight, especially after what ortiz did to berto, sure i would rather see maywaether-pacqiou but who the fuck wouldn't...truth is, bob arum is a scumbag and he can careless about pacqiou, he wants to milk pacqiou for everything he is worth and make his final payday of packman against mayawether, because truthfully it'll be an epic fight, but pcaqiou just does not have the tools, nor does ortiz, but both are good fights that i will enjoy watching, its ll politics folks, don't get caught up, may and pac will fight, and today either fighter is scared is just plain fucking stupid, they are both all time greats,don't get scared like some of u pussies
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Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Now could we have that in English ;D
Floyd and Ortiz are comming to the uk to promote the fight and Floyd will be doing abit training for the fans. He always said he liked the british fans ;D. Not sure why it will need promoting here tho as floyd doesnt normaly fight on ppv here.
Out of interest, for everyone saying this is a dud fight, who could/ should have Floyd fought? (excluding PAC)
I've also just learnt the fight is at 160! That's huge for Floyd, has he been on the Hatton diet?
It's a welterweight bout of 147.. I dont know where you got that 160. You're probably talking about Ortiz rehydrating up to 160 on the night of the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Read it on Skysports, I thought it seemed big! They even brang up the Oscar fight about the weight increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIt's a welterweight bout of 147.. I dont know where you got that 160. You're probably talking about Ortiz rehydrating up to 160 on the night of the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Sky has to be mis-informed then because there's no reason why the fight would take place at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Read it on Skysports, I thought it seemed big! They even brang up the Oscar fight about the weight increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIt's a welterweight bout of 147.. I dont know where you got that 160. You're probably talking about Ortiz rehydrating up to 160 on the night of the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Floyd always stays in-shape and his walk around weight isnt much different from where he's fighting at.
This fight is for ORtiz' 147 WBC title.
160 ? Really. Would be interested in seeing if they are talking about this being higher than 147.Hey I wouldn't doubt it ya know. Forget it being big for floyd, we're talking about a guy in Ortiz who has ONE official Welterweight fight. Wasn't he the one being called smaller then Berto etc etc. I know he has the wingspan of a Condor but wow.
The more I think about it, the less likely it seems. Maybe Sky just made that bit up.
Especially because there's a title on the line.
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Ok I see the phrase "pacroid" so I will take it that you believe that he uses steroids. I am waiting for Floyd Sr and Jr to show us the proof they have that he has or currently does use steroids. Until then I will lump that accusation with the same people who accuse Floyd of being "Gayweather".
Oh well at least I get to use my quotes again....
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Originally Posted by Mars_axTake a look at the subject line in the OP and take a wild fucking guess.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Are you talking about mayweather or pacquiao here? :confused:
Ortiz just said that he was never impressed with Mayweather. lmfao
Victor Ortiz: Not Impressed By Mayweather, I'll Beat Him - Boxing News
What are you fucking serious with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
The fight is at 160!?!
I doubt it! The fight is listed as a WBC Welterweight Title Fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think the ultimate source was Sky Sports, who obviously got their wires crossed, assuming we all know Ortiz fights at around the 160 mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI doubt it! The fight is listed as a WBC Welterweight Title Fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I read it on sky sports. But I googled it today and the page has been changed, I think it's safe to say sky made a fuck up.
At a weight of 160 Ortiz would be massive, it seemed odd, which made it seem a bit more interesting. At welter Ortiz gets taught a lesson.
But I can see why the fights been made and I'm still looking forward to it.
I guess this seals the deal for a PBF-PAC fight for May 2012:cool:
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I doubt it. Floyd will beat ortiz and when thats done pacroid will announce a fight against some bum, Once that's done floyd will anounce a fight against someone else, and on and on and on.
Floyds ego will not let that happen, It'll happen I'm excited already:)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
I doubt it. Floyd will beat ortiz and when thats done pacroid will announce a fight against some bum, Once that's done floyd will anounce a fight against someone else, and on and on and on.
Well I honestly hope you are right and I'm proved wrong. :)
Lets just think for a second. Mayweather has defeated everyone directly or in directly responsiable for pacmans superstardom. He out boxes a supersized De la hoya, then he kos an undefeated Richy hatton after out boxing and punishing him to the body for 10 rounds, then he out boxed Marquez for 12 rounds and made it look easy, and let me say this, weight had nothing to do with it, it was pure boxing that neutralized Marquezs attack. Then he whipped Moesly by out boxing him,Moesly was coming off a career high win looking better than he had in recent years. Now Mayweather is preparing to beat a young hungry fast strong hard hitting big as hell welter weight that many believe is the best mexican boxer to come along in recent years. Before the Mandaina fight they were calling him the new golden boy
Now lets break down pac mans recent fights that lead him to stardom in the eyes of the blind. Starting with De la hoya, he was weight drained and needed an IV because of dehydration from weight draining. Even then Pacman couldnt finish him, Oscar quit because he had no energy and could not defend himself. Hatton was damage aswell due to the beating he took from P4P CHAMP Mayweather Jr. Coming off of his 1st loss that was the beginning of the end of his career. The mental beating was equal to the physical beating he took from Mayweather. Roach new this and said it many times leading up to the fight. He also said the same for Dela hoya leading up to the Pacman fight. Next poor wash up x champ was Cotto. God knows he took a very bad beating from Tony and he will never be the same. Roach knew this and they jump to fight the washed up Cotto. Then comes Clottey, who know one outside the boxing community knew. He has lost every major fight hes been in. Very rugged but no real skills, plus its been rumored he was paid off not to fight back. Is its true? I don't know but it sure as hell looked that way. Then there was Margarita, who was knocked out by Moesly, then suspended from boxing, causing a long lay off after being ko'ed. Roach thought this was a good opponant for pacman, lol. Then there was moesly who was defeated and embarresed by the great Mayweather. When Moesly was hot and dangerous who fought him ? Mayweather! Who didn't? Pacman. After being defeated and embaressed twicein a row. Roach saw fit to fight him. Are you seeeing a patterned yet? If your an x champ coming off of a loss by knock out then you can expect a call from team pacman. When will Pacman fight a true champion, meaning someone who comes to win. A young strong hungry hard hitting boxer coming off of a string of victories not losses. No catch weights , no IV'S. MAYWEATHER IS SINGLE HANDEDLY SAVING BOXING. Please look at the press,news,websites, forums, ESPN. All the talk about Mayweather vs Ortiz, not Pacman vs Marquez, thats been done twice already. Why not fight Berto, hes coming off a loss, lol.
Yes Sky confused me as well with the 160lb Ortiz title holder. It was like that presenter asking Groves when he would fight Khan. Thick.Quote:
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He'll be impressed before the first round or two is over, I see a Gatti type beat down coming his way and there will be nothing he can do about it except quit.
I'll say Manny quickly pics a fight vs Ortiz. We know how Manny likes to fight Floyd's leftovers.Quote:
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I doubt it. Floyd will beat ortiz and when thats done pacroid will announce a fight against some bum, Once that's done floyd will anounce a fight against someone else, and on and on and on.
.. and destroys them like a cheap glass vase.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoI'll say Manny quickly pics a fight vs Ortiz. We know how Manny likes to fight Floyd's leftovers.Quote:
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I doubt it. Floyd will beat ortiz and when thats done pacroid will announce a fight against some bum, Once that's done floyd will anounce a fight against someone else, and on and on and on.
exactly. but you know his haters want him to fight martinez. if he fought berto instead of mosley and blew him out they will say berto is green. if he fought ortiz and blew him out they will call ortiz quitter. and when roger mayweather said pac took steroids everyone of floyd groupies bow down and agree with him. im not racist and i have plenty of african-american friends, but i have to ask this, why is it when black fighters lose or in jeopardy of losing a fight always say that their opponents are taking steroids ie. andre berto on ortiz "he was on something and its not flintstones", or jean pascal on bernard hopkins, and floyd and co. on manny pacquiao? that "a-side meth" crap is hilarious and still people buy their story. if that so call a-side meth is true then we(filipinos) would have invaded every damn country there is because we were supposed to be bullet proof. instead it took us 300 years to get rid of the spaniards and we were under japanese and american rule for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't always like Pacquiao's choices of opponents, but since Mayweather has ducked him for the last 3 + years, who exactly is he suppose to fight that he hasn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantz
Ortiz will shock the world with a KO.
Very unlikely, but I give Ortiz a slim chance. Anybody knows how much Ortiz will get for this fight? And if there is a rematch clause on the contract?Quote:
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Yup, a vase is easier to break after it has been beaten, dropped, chipped, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dench.. and destroys them like a cheap glass vase.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoI'll say Manny quickly pics a fight vs Ortiz. We know how Manny likes to fight Floyd's leftovers.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
I doubt it. Floyd will beat ortiz and when thats done pacroid will announce a fight against some bum, Once that's done floyd will anounce a fight against someone else, and on and on and on.
Why is it that Filipinos don't want Pac to get his blood randomly tested? Do they know there is a risk to be caught with something? Heck, I would expect Pac fans to have a different attitude like "Hell yeah! We'll have our guy tested to prove he's ready to fight whenever and then kick your guy's ass in the ring. So come on! Let's get tested and lets get ready to rumble" instead, all we hear are excuses on why he shouldn't take the tests: he's afraid of needles, blood makes him nervous, a nurse might poke his arm in the wrong way and hurt him, he can't train properly for more than a week, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334exactly. but you know his haters want him to fight martinez. if he fought berto instead of mosley and blew him out they will say berto is green. if he fought ortiz and blew him out they will call ortiz quitter. and when roger mayweather said pac took steroids everyone of floyd groupies bow down and agree with him. im not racist and i have plenty of african-american friends, but i have to ask this, why is it when black fighters lose or in jeopardy of losing a fight always say that their opponents are taking steroids ie. andre berto on ortiz "he was on something and its not flintstones", or jean pascal on bernard hopkins, and floyd and co. on manny pacquiao? that "a-side meth" crap is hilarious and still people buy their story. if that so call a-side meth is true then we(filipinos) would have invaded every damn country there is because we were supposed to be bullet proof. instead it took us 300 years to get rid of the spaniards and we were under japanese and american rule for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't always like Pacquiao's choices of opponents, but since Mayweather has ducked him for the last 3 + years, who exactly is he suppose to fight that he hasn't?Quote:
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