Congratulations David Haye. Magnificent effort. Fact.

My take on the fight...

Obviously dissapointed for Haye but there were good points and I'll cover both.

Haye proved that he can take a shot from a big hard punching heavyweight. His tactics before the fight of taunting and trying to get under Klitch's skin worked - but back fired.
Haye proved his stamina is also not as suspect as some had feared.

Klitch was apart from at maybe two or three punches in the fight was completeley dominant - there is no hiding from that. You may not like his style (I don't) but you have to admire how effective it is and how well he uses it.

I've been away from heavyweight boxing for a while and always thought of Klitch as boring and lacking in personality - I was wrong. The way he carried himself the months before the fight and the way he spoke after it proved he is both an intelligent man and a class act and he has a new fan in me because of that.

David didin't or couldn't do anything with Klitch's jab - I think like many he underestimated how good a weapon it is. Haye was never going to beat him on the outside taking pot shots and as soon as Klitch took center ring from the first round I feared for David. Even when David was able to avoid the jab Klitch has a very clever way of following through with his arm and pushing you off balance.

Where now for Haye ? He's already saying that there is a rematch clause with Klitch and although he lost by a wide margin it was one of the better Klitch fights I have seen so they could probably sell it.

As for the broken toe.... maybe it was maybe it wasn't but this was a fight for the undisputed heavyweight title - you lose you accept it end of story. He looked silly making a meal of it and should have kept quiet about it. I know fighters who have carried far worse injuries into fights and they have not used it as an excuse afterwards.

Haye was beyond awful really. Lively opening couple of rounds, but Wlad controlled everything from that point on. Fenster was likely a bit drunk, I wouldn't get too upset by his comments.

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My take on the fight...

Obviously dissapointed for Haye but there were good points and I'll cover both.

Haye proved that he can take a shot from a big hard punching heavyweight. His tactics before the fight of taunting and trying to get under Klitch's skin worked - but back fired.
Haye proved his stamina is also not as suspect as some had feared.

Klitch was apart from at maybe two or three punches in the fight was completeley dominant - there is no hiding from that. You may not like his style (I don't) but you have to admire how effective it is and how well he uses it.

I've been away from heavyweight boxing for a while and always thought of Klitch as boring and lacking in personality - I was wrong. The way he carried himself the months before the fight and the way he spoke after it proved he is both an intelligent man and a class act and he has a new fan in me because of that.

David didin't or couldn't do anything with Klitch's jab - I think like many he underestimated how good a weapon it is. Haye was never going to beat him on the outside taking pot shots and as soon as Klitch took center ring from the first round I feared for David. Even when David was able to avoid the jab Klitch has a very clever way of following through with his arm and pushing you off balance.

Where now for Haye ? He's already saying that there is a rematch clause with Klitch and although he lost by a wide margin it was one of the better Klitch fights I have seen so they could probably sell it.

As for the broken toe.... maybe it was maybe it wasn't but this was a fight for the undisputed heavyweight title - you lose you accept it end of story. He looked silly making a meal of it and should have kept quiet about it. I know fighters who have carried far worse injuries into fights and they have not used it as an excuse afterwards.

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Rematch??? What the f so he can con some more people outa their money...if I was wlad no way in hell would I give him an immediate rematch, just due to his shit antics, let him live with the loss for a while and the knowledge he got beat by a "shit robotic bum"

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My take on the fight...

Obviously dissapointed for Haye but there were good points and I'll cover both.

Haye proved that he can take a shot from a big hard punching heavyweight. His tactics before the fight of taunting and trying to get under Klitch's skin worked - but back fired.
Haye proved his stamina is also not as suspect as some had feared.

Klitch was apart from at maybe two or three punches in the fight was completeley dominant - there is no hiding from that. You may not like his style (I don't) but you have to admire how effective it is and how well he uses it.

I've been away from heavyweight boxing for a while and always thought of Klitch as boring and lacking in personality - I was wrong. The way he carried himself the months before the fight and the way he spoke after it proved he is both an intelligent man and a class act and he has a new fan in me because of that.

David didin't or couldn't do anything with Klitch's jab - I think like many he underestimated how good a weapon it is. Haye was never going to beat him on the outside taking pot shots and as soon as Klitch took center ring from the first round I feared for David. Even when David was able to avoid the jab Klitch has a very clever way of following through with his arm and pushing you off balance.

Where now for Haye ? He's already saying that there is a rematch clause with Klitch and although he lost by a wide margin it was one of the better Klitch fights I have seen so they could probably sell it.

As for the broken toe.... maybe it was maybe it wasn't but this was a fight for the undisputed heavyweight title - you lose you accept it end of story. He looked silly making a meal of it and should have kept quiet about it. I know fighters who have carried far worse injuries into fights and they have not used it as an excuse afterwards.

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Rematch??? What the f so he can con some more people outa their money...if I was wlad no way in hell would I give him an immediate rematch, just due to his shit antics, let him live with the loss for a while and the knowledge he got beat by a "shit robotic bum"

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No, he doesn't deserve a rematch. Haye couldn't use his mouth to reach the pinacle so now he gets back in line. Either he retires or has to get active and earn his shot. Haye has been a part time boxer for a good while now, I doubt he has the drive or desire to even bother. He will retire and good as I don't think he is particularly good for boxing himself.

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The "experts" predicted an easy KO for Wlad. He would take Haye "whenever he felt like it"

Instead we saw SIZE determine the outcome.

A good big man beats a good little man.

Well done Wlad.

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You're as blind a fan as they come.
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Haye left the ring as classless as the British fans were at the stadium that booed the Ukranian national anthem. It would be one thing if Haye hadn't talked half the smack he talked about Klitschko, creating a tee shirt, creating a video game, putting down Klistchko's former opponents - guys who went out on their shields mind you - but, having done all that talking, and then to spend the whole night running. He defrauded boxing fans around the world. He should be a ashamed. He could have had a whole broken foot, but once he stepped in that ring, he should have done what he could to be honorable. He's a shame. Hopefully, Haye retires into the British countryside and we never have to listen to him again. ALl that nonsense jibber jabber. Bait and switch. And to think he put down Cris Arreola. Cris has ten times the stones Haye has. The nerve. Really. At least Shane is shot, Haye fought like Shane did against Manny in his PRIME. We should ban discussion of Haye from this board. Haye is what turns people off to boxing. He's a bum. Off with his head.

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You seem upset Haye didn't get himself knocked out.

At least he learnt you a good lesson for the future - don't get fooled by HYPE!!! It's purpose is to sell fights ;)

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I'm with Fenster.

Haye proved that Klitschko is a boring watch. At least David Haye tried to land big shots. HBO would have him stand around and eat punches like the rest of Klitschko's opponents.

The Klitschko boys should fight each other or stay the fuck home.

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You'll see a good fight from Wlad the day he is challenged. I hope some of the upcoming fighters prove to be the real thing and can give him a fight. What he needs is someone of Lewis' class or better.

It is heartless to demand he fight his brother.

My thoughts......


Well Wlad was the favourite to win and I think wlad on points was a very very likely outcome from the moment the fight was concieved.

i have to say boxing frustrates me when it pans out as predicted. But then that's life.

I actually think that haye did better than most on here are giving credit. I understand that there are alot of people to thrust the dagger into haye now for one reason or another. But the fact is Haye landed some good shots and was dangerous throughout.

End of the contest, wlad had won fair and square and there can be no complaints.

The knock down was a complete farcical joke but had it been given or not the result would have still been the same so you can't dwell on that too much.

Haye did have a broken toe it's there for all to see. He probably should have pulled out or post poned but come on, when you have people, especially those on this forum, that don't believe training injuries exist it wasn't really an option. BUT just like the faulse knock down the toe wasn't the reason haye lost the fight.

The ring entrances. Probably the most elaborate ever seen in boxing so far. They were works of art in themselves. I thought it was genius by the haye camp to use the time that Wlad was going to make them wait in the ring to post pone their entrace. However I didn't like the fact that Haye had to pretty much fight his way to the ring and wlad got a clear path through. As you all know by now I'm all for a n even playing field in the sport.

In the post fight, wlad was very gracious and i think his stock has risen alot from this fight, I think he'll have made a lot of new fans. Haye on the other hand is going to get a lot of stick. Deservedly or not, a lot of that stick is going to come from people who would never step into a ring let alone reach the very top of their proffession or sport.


I think a rematch is very possible, where else is wlad going to make that money. And if it happens I'll be supporting haye again ;D

I agree with Hornfinger.

The only part of hayes performane i would be most critical of is the falling down.

But his movement was good and he made wlad miss a lot. Even wlads jab missed often.

Haye simply needed to dare to throw more punches. But to say it was a shit performance, well i think thats just nonsense.

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Were the HBO guys slaughterimnh Haye?

I';m surprised si many peopeke boiught thsi KO hypoe?

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First, how many drinks did you have when you typed this? ;D

To answer your question, yes, the HBO commentators were bashing Haye. Larry Merchant had some classic lines that made me lmao.

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There is the sense that had Tomasz Adamek put up exactly the same level of performance, he would get a lot more credit for his efforts.

Of course he wouldn't whine about his toe at the end either.

Although to be fair he's Polish so we don't actually know or care what the fuck he says when he's talking. I doubt Merchant would even bother to interview him.

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Problem is, Adamek would never put up that kind of performance. I don't give him much of a chance against Vitali, but I know he's going to give it everything he has. He won't flop around, he won't make excuses, and he'll take chances knowing that it could get him knocked out. The guy fights with heart, unlike Haye.

Haye talked a big game but it was that, talk. He was in the fight early. He won round 3 on my scorecard and round 4 was close and some may have given him that round. As the fight wore on he didn't make an attempt to show any more aggression until the final round.

Lets be honest, he fought scared. He feared getting knocked out if he engaged more.

And the flopping. Yes, Wlad pushed him down at least 3 times. But Haye kept flopping. The one that a point was deducted was a clear flop!!! He was lunging in, ducking his head and upperbody so low that he could have bumped into me and he would have gone down. Then he'd look at the ref and cry about it.

Even the guardian and the BBC have included in their writeups that Haye was going down to the canvas too easily!!!!!

Haye's punch output was a joke. If you take away the 4-5 decent right hands he landed, then his punch output, excessive movement, and refusal to enage, was reminiscient of Ibragimov's con job against Wlad.

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The "experts" predicted an easy KO for Wlad. He would take Haye "whenever he felt like it"

Instead we saw SIZE determine the outcome.

A good big man beats a good little man.

Well done Wlad.

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You're as blind a fan as they come.
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I'm a "blind fan" for congratulating both fighters? Fair enough...

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Not for congratulating both fighters.
For calling it a (cough... choke... gag) a magnificent effort.
C'mon, really...... we both know better than that.

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Were the HBO guys slaughterimnh Haye?

I';m surprised si many peopeke boiught thsi KO hypoe?

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First, how many drinks did you have when you typed this? ;D

To answer your question, yes, the HBO commentators were bashing Haye. Larry Merchant had some classic lines that made me lmao.

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I barely remember making this thread let alone that post ;D

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Haye left the ring as classless as the British fans were at the stadium that booed the Ukranian national anthem. It would be one thing if Haye hadn't talked half the smack he talked about Klitschko, creating a tee shirt, creating a video game, putting down Klistchko's former opponents - guys who went out on their shields mind you - but, having done all that talking, and then to spend the whole night running. He defrauded boxing fans around the world. He should be a ashamed. He could have had a whole broken foot, but once he stepped in that ring, he should have done what he could to be honorable. He's a shame. Hopefully, Haye retires into the British countryside and we never have to listen to him again. ALl that nonsense jibber jabber. Bait and switch. And to think he put down Cris Arreola. Cris has ten times the stones Haye has. The nerve. Really. At least Shane is shot, Haye fought like Shane did against Manny in his PRIME. We should ban discussion of Haye from this board. Haye is what turns people off to boxing. He's a bum. Off with his head.

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You seem upset Haye didn't get himself knocked out.

At least he learnt you a good lesson for the future - don't get fooled by HYPE!!! It's purpose is to sell fights ;)

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I'm upset because he didn't lay it on the line. He didn't try to win. He didn't press the action. He didn't do anything.

I have no problem with hype. Generally, hype is great because generally when fighters talk the talk, they walk the walk. The difference here was stark. For example, Carl Froch is an arrogant SOB. But, Carl Froch puts on a fun show. At least he backs his talk up. Haye is a charlatan. He's bad for boxing. As a fan of Haye's, you should be embarrassed.

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Haye left the ring as classless as the British fans were at the stadium that booed the Ukranian national anthem. It would be one thing if Haye hadn't talked half the smack he talked about Klitschko, creating a tee shirt, creating a video game, putting down Klistchko's former opponents - guys who went out on their shields mind you - but, having done all that talking, and then to spend the whole night running. He defrauded boxing fans around the world. He should be a ashamed. He could have had a whole broken foot, but once he stepped in that ring, he should have done what he could to be honorable. He's a shame. Hopefully, Haye retires into the British countryside and we never have to listen to him again. ALl that nonsense jibber jabber. Bait and switch. And to think he put down Cris Arreola. Cris has ten times the stones Haye has. The nerve. Really. At least Shane is shot, Haye fought like Shane did against Manny in his PRIME. We should ban discussion of Haye from this board. Haye is what turns people off to boxing. He's a bum. Off with his head.

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You seem upset Haye didn't get himself knocked out.

At least he learnt you a good lesson for the future - don't get fooled by HYPE!!! It's purpose is to sell fights ;)

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I'm upset because he didn't lay it on the line. He didn't try to win. He didn't press the action. He didn't do anything.

I have no problem with hype. Generally, hype is great because generally when fighters talk the talk, they walk the walk. The difference here was stark. For example, Carl Froch is an arrogant SOB. But, Carl Froch puts on a fun show. At least he backs his talk up. Haye is a charlatan. He's bad for boxing. As a fan of Haye's, you should be embarrassed.

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I should be embarrassed because the fighter I was supporting got outclassed? Don't be silly. Haye was beaten by the better man.

Do you believe everything you read? Fighters have been saying one thing only to do another for ever. If Haye fought to your instructions he would have probably been knocked out. But I guess that's what you're so upset about.

What happened to Wlad punishing him for 12 rounds before sparking him? Wlad was his usual self, which was simply to good for Haye. That's all there is to it.

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Haye left the ring as classless as the British fans were at the stadium that booed the Ukranian national anthem. It would be one thing if Haye hadn't talked half the smack he talked about Klitschko, creating a tee shirt, creating a video game, putting down Klistchko's former opponents - guys who went out on their shields mind you - but, having done all that talking, and then to spend the whole night running. He defrauded boxing fans around the world. He should be a ashamed. He could have had a whole broken foot, but once he stepped in that ring, he should have done what he could to be honorable. He's a shame. Hopefully, Haye retires into the British countryside and we never have to listen to him again. ALl that nonsense jibber jabber. Bait and switch. And to think he put down Cris Arreola. Cris has ten times the stones Haye has. The nerve. Really. At least Shane is shot, Haye fought like Shane did against Manny in his PRIME. We should ban discussion of Haye from this board. Haye is what turns people off to boxing. He's a bum. Off with his head.

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You seem upset Haye didn't get himself knocked out.

At least he learnt you a good lesson for the future - don't get fooled by HYPE!!! It's purpose is to sell fights ;)

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I'm upset because he didn't lay it on the line. He didn't try to win. He didn't press the action. He didn't do anything.

I have no problem with hype. Generally, hype is great because generally when fighters talk the talk, they walk the walk. The difference here was stark. For example, Carl Froch is an arrogant SOB. But, Carl Froch puts on a fun show. At least he backs his talk up. Haye is a charlatan. He's bad for boxing. As a fan of Haye's, you should be embarrassed.

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I should be embarrassed because the fighter I was supporting got outclassed? Don't be silly. Haye was beaten by the better man.

Do you believe everything you read? Fighters have been saying one thing only to do another for ever. If Haye fought to your instructions he would have probably been knocked out. But I guess that's what you're so upset about.

What happened to Wlad punishing him for 12 rounds before sparking him? Wlad was his usual self, which was simply to good for Haye. That's all there is to it.

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And of course there is the matter of Haye's "magnificent effort".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tough crowd! Fenster was drunk and having fun, stop getting so worked up about it all!

I think this thread is actually very funny. ;D

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Tough crowd! Fenster was drunk and having fun, stop getting so worked up about it all!

I think this thread is actually very funny. ;D

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I knew the title would cause a frenzy. All my best ones come when i'm drunk.

I genuniely do feel Haye put up a good effort though. I am CERTAIN he did better than most people expected. Could he have been more adventurous? Yes. But Wlad was clearly to hard for him to figure out.

To be honest.... I also place some blame on Wlad. Had Wlad pressed the action more, maybe he would've FORCED Haye to make it more of a fight.

I'd like to see Wlad fight with a broken toe. Fact.

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Tough crowd! Fenster was drunk and having fun, stop getting so worked up about it all!

I think this thread is actually very funny. ;D

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I knew the title would cause a frenzy. All my best ones come when i'm drunk.

I genuniely do feel Haye put up a good effort though. I am CERTAIN he did better than most people expected. Could he have been more adventurous? Yes. But Wlad was clearly to hard for him to figure out.

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To be fair I thought Haye was extremely effective in making Wlad miss and early on and it looked like it could have been a good fight, but Haye really tailed off until the last round. He survived, but I really feel that was all he was doing for long stretches of the fight. Just not willing to let anything go and you can't beat Wlad like that.

Others have said "same old Wlad", which is true, but I was impressed with Wlad. He was in there with someone that was clearly faster and if he actually had a punch output could have caused damage, but Haye clearly wasn't willing to do that. Wlad showed good generalship and he really seems to have mastered this style. That's why I would like to see a Valuev fight, just to see how he fights a bigger man himself. I find that fascinating.

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What's a fact?
That you'd LIKE to see Wlad fight with a broken toe?
That Wlad would or wouldn't fight with a broken toe?
That the toe in FACT would be broken?

Your use of the word "fact" here is somewhat unclear.
Fact.

Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

You're using reason and that's your first mistake.

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Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

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You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me? ;D

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Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

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You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me? ;D

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No problem, Fen. I'm just calling you out because I feel you're defending the indefensible. In a way I sort of understand. It's not easy to stand there and say: "My guy stunk up the joint and I was dead wrong." But hey..... Dark Lord Al is doing it, and to an extent so is Miles. But I know it's difficult.... seriously.

:)

In my case though, I was really never in Haye's corner. So, I'm not the best example. In the case of others then sure.

I don't see how he is defending the indefensible :confused:

Haye was a smaller guy moving up from a lower division and in the circumstances he fought a plucky fight and made a decent effort. No way did I expect him to go 12 rounds, when bigger, and I believed better fighters, like Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers both failed.

But he made a decent go of it. The first few rounds were very entertaining no matter what anybody says and it was only in the second half of the fight when the fight started slipping away from him that he reverted to the survival type tactics adopted by all of Wlad's opponents.

He lost because Wlad is a very very good world champion. He didn't disgrace himself in the ring and put up a decent effort in a very difficult challenge.

Sure his prefight claims were made to look silly, and his excuses afterwards were pretty laughable but there wasn't anything wrong with his efforts in the ring imo.

People who are complaining either wanted to see him get knocked out, or else just wanted him to throw caution to the wind and go out slugging and either knock out Wlad, or be knocked out, probably didn't care either way, just wanted some good action.

But it's different when you're the actual guy in the ring taking the shots.

For those who bought the card and feel ripped off, well don't be a mug next time.

Sign up to a stream site and watch it for $5, the best stream sites have high def streams now. I watched it at 720p on my 40in lcd in the lounge as part of $10 monthly stream fee for all boxing, ufc and other sports.

It was great.

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Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

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You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me? ;D

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No problem, Fen. I'm just calling you out because I feel you're defending the indefensible. In a way I sort of understand. It's not easy to stand there and say: "My guy stunk up the joint and I was dead wrong." But hey..... Dark Lord Al is doing it, and to an extent so is Miles. But I know it's difficult.... seriously.

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So you want me to lie?

I didn't realise everyone had to think and see exactly the same thing in life?

Sorry if I didn't see what you did.

Bilbo, good post (me and bilbo in agreement on something. Hilarious.)

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I don't see how he is defending the indefensible :confused:

Haye was a smaller guy moving up from a lower division and in the circumstances he fought a plucky fight and made a decent effort. No way did I expect him to go 12 rounds, when bigger, and I believed better fighters, like Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers both failed.

But he made a decent go of it. The first few rounds were very entertaining no matter what anybody says and it was only in the second half of the fight when the fight started slipping away from him that he reverted to the survival type tactics adopted by all of Wlad's opponents.

He lost because Wlad is a very very good world champion. He didn't disgrace himself in the ring and put up a decent effort in a very difficult challenge.

Sure his prefight claims were made to look silly, and his excuses afterwards were pretty laughable but there wasn't anything wrong with his efforts in the ring imo.

People who are complaining either wanted to see him get knocked out, or else just wanted him to throw caution to the wind and go out slugging and either knock out Wlad, or be knocked out, probably didn't care either way, just wanted some good action.

But it's different when you're the actual guy in the ring taking the shots.

For those who bought the card and feel ripped off, well don't be a mug next time.

Sign up to a stream site and watch it for $5, the best stream sites have high def streams now. I watched it at 720p on my 40in lcd in the lounge as part of $10 monthly stream fee for all boxing, ufc and other sports.

It was great.

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Do I actually 100% with bilbo? :o

The real Deal Vs Klitch next haha

He should've trained with Freddie Roach.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

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You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me? ;D

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Here's the thing Fenster, I have always thought Haye got to where he is by talking. I didn't buy into the argument that Haye was actually a good boxer. His resume is weak. His best win arguably is over Valuev. Yet, he had the nerve to talk trash to the best heavyweight in the world. More than that, he had the nerve to do it in a tasteless manner. I always felt like he got noticed by the world's boxing community by twice talking up a fight with Wladimir only to later back out of it. For two to three years, we boxing fans listened to Haye berate Wladimir. Heck, even when he wasn't training for a fight against Wladimir, he was talking trash about Wladimir. In my book, if you are going to talk that much trash, you better be able to walk the walk because not only do you hurt your legacy by fighting negatively, you alienate casual boxing fans who might not tune in again for fear of being let down once more. I sincerely feel like he conned the boxing world.

I guess you are right about one thing if Haye had gone in there like Michael Jennings, and laid it all on the line, but came up short, I wouldn't be saying a damn thing. I'd be giving your man credit. You, for one, hate on Chris Arreola a plenty, but a fat Chris Arreola has 100X more guts than Haye does. And Chris Arreola didn't talk any trash going into his fight with Vitali. As overmatched as he was, he went out on his shield, honorably.

I guess you and I just have different characteristics we like to see in boxers. I like mettle and heart and you like hype and trash-talking. We can agree to disagree. There's nothing wrong in that.

Bilbo, did you like Mosley's performance against Pacquiao?

One more thing, Erics44 admitted that Haye had a horrible resume, but he said he liked him because he saw a lot of potential in him although at the time, I disagreed with him, I could see that argument. It made sense then. Well, now, we know there is a very limited upside with Haye. There just isn't much potential. He's just not very good. You can always fall back on his knock out over Enzo Mac...

Rantcatrat - Haye is shit. He was always shit. He never had any heart. He's never beat anyone good. His lineal Cruiserweight title means nothing. His Amateur medals mean nothing. The fact he established himself as a top three heavyweight means nothing.

I am so, so sorry for ever supporting this man. No not man. He doesn't deserve to be called a man. Snake. Please forgive me?

(I don't "hate" on ANY fighter. Don't accuse me of shit like that. I may have a called Arreola a fat doorman a couple of times, it doesn't mean I don't like him)

@Rantacat

Yeah I didn't mind the Pacquaio Mosley fight either. I think people have such unrealistic expectations of Manny, they want him to fight the hardest fight, in whatever weight division they feel the challenge is at that moment and then whine and bitch if he fights anybody else. Manny is a true all time great and Sugar Shane is a sure future Hall of Famer who had done more than enough in his career imo to warrant fighting the two best guys in the sport in Manny and Floyd.

Was I disappointed Shane didn't have enough in the tank to push Manny more? Yeah for sure, I've always been a big fan of Mosley and loved him for his heart and it was sad to see him forced into a defensive shell in that fight. But Manny is a great fighter, and Shane is a little too long in the tooth now. I certainly wasn't spitting vitriol like many on here after with their whiny cries of 'Fuck Shane and Fuck Pacquaio, they didn't provide me with my level of entertainment!!!; etc etc.

Anyway back to this fight. I enjoyed it. Not a fan of David Haye at all but he proved he had a chin and was a legit challenge for Wladimir, giving him at least as tough a fight as any of his last 10 or so opponents.

Like Fenster, I'm not really emotionally involved in fights like some of you. If a fight is disappointing it doesn't really affect my life in anyway and I'm not bothered really. I thought the night was very entertaining over all. Watching a fighter of the stature of Lennox Lewis being kept waiting for 10 minutes whilst the camera crew respectfully stared up his nostrils was hilarious tv, then watching Big George fuck up his segment by rushing into Wlad's changing room too early, and then being late whilst shadowboxing as Wlad came out was priceless.

The first 4 rounds were fantastic I thought, looked like it was going to be a great fight. Then Wlad's power, size, strength and ability took over and David couldn't really compete.

I don't get angry about that though, that's just lame imo, Wlad was too good and won the fight, Haye showed he had a decent chin and lasted twice as long as I expected.

All in all a decent night's entertainment I thought and then I stayed up to watch the UFC, which was great was well. Good night of tv, but some of you have been whining all day.

Just develop other interests if you're night was ruined. Read a book or something, Go for a walk and smell the flowers. Plenty of stuff going on.

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This ain't a "wind-up" thread.

Haye was meant to be DESTROYED. Did that happen? NO. So all the "experts" have a thread to come and apologise to Haye.

Lets keep it real. No harm in being proven wrong. Fact.

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Good to see someone not throwing stones and not peddling the anti-Haye rubbish.

Ask one question, who was doing the best at the end of the bout in the final round?

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Originally Posted by mattboxingfan

I'd like to see Wlad fight with a broken toe. Fact.

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What's a fact?
That you'd LIKE to see Wlad fight with a broken toe?
That Wlad would or wouldn't fight with a broken toe?
That the toe in FACT would be broken?

Your use of the word "fact" here is somewhat unclear.
Fact.

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The fact here is that i made it unclear because the fact is all of the above are fact. FACT.

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I don't see how he is defending the indefensible :confused:

Haye was a smaller guy moving up from a lower division and in the circumstances he fought a plucky fight and made a decent effort. No way did I expect him to go 12 rounds, when bigger, and I believed better fighters, like Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers both failed.

But he made a decent go of it. The first few rounds were very entertaining no matter what anybody says and it was only in the second half of the fight when the fight started slipping away from him that he reverted to the survival type tactics adopted by all of Wlad's opponents.

He lost because Wlad is a very very good world champion. He didn't disgrace himself in the ring and put up a decent effort in a very difficult challenge.

Sure his prefight claims were made to look silly, and his excuses afterwards were pretty laughable but there wasn't anything wrong with his efforts in the ring imo.

People who are complaining either wanted to see him get knocked out, or else just wanted him to throw caution to the wind and go out slugging and either knock out Wlad, or be knocked out, probably didn't care either way, just wanted some good action.

But it's different when you're the actual guy in the ring taking the shots.

For those who bought the card and feel ripped off, well don't be a mug next time.

Sign up to a stream site and watch it for $5, the best stream sites have high def streams now. I watched it at 720p on my 40in lcd in the lounge as part of $10 monthly stream fee for all boxing, ufc and other sports.

It was great.

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I totally agree with this. I actually thought that it was fairly tense for the first 5 or 6 rounds, before Wlad completely took control until the 12th.

So many of the people who seem so disgusted are the same ones who said Haye had nothing to offer, wouldn't win a minute of any round & that it would only last as long as Wlad wanted it to.

I do believe he chose the wrong tactics for Wlad, where more concerted pressure in the early-middle rounds would have been better, especially when you facing one of the most technically astute boxers in the sport. But, it's not like he didn't have moments. What's interesting about the tactics is that Booth chose to use the same tactics that he did for the Groves-DeGale fight (tactics that meant Groves lost the fight on my card), but which were so heavily praised on that occasion. This leads me to believe that it is the personalities that people let their opinions be governed by too much. Yes, Haye set himself up for a fall, but it's always easy to criticize from the safe side of the ropes.

I really love the differing attitudes based on the boxers. Khan got pilloried for a shite PPV because his opponent didn't engage (but that's okay, because it was his game plan), while Haye (who did a fuck of a lot more than McCloskey) gets shit for not charging into Wlad's right hand windmilling. Meanwhile Hatton got abuse for a short fight, because he did exactly that. You just can't win with British fans :rolleyes:

what an aweful attitude the wlad fans had before the fight and what an aweful attitude they have after