I can't remember seeing a better fighter than prime Floyd Mayweather Jr

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Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

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Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

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Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

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Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

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Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

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Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

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Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

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Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

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None of the fighters you state had Tito power, at welter he would have beaten those fighters you mention that had power.

Style wise I agree Floyd would pose a lot of problems but Tito had height and reach advantages and he would have caught Floyd in the end.

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Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

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Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

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Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

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Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

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None of the fighters you state had Tito power, at welter he would have beaten those fighters you mention that had power.

Style wise I agree Floyd would pose a lot of problems but Tito had height and reach advantages and he would have caught Floyd in the end.

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Like he did with Oscar, Camacho and Whitaker? Tito had power, yes, but when you add the fact that Oscar was robbed you have a fighter that looked great against solid b+ fighters, but didn't against the better ones.
Who did he fight that was a hall of famer? Oscar, Camacho, Hopkins, Whitaker, Wright, Jones Jr. He didn't stop any of them, and there is no reason to suggest he would find Floyd. Nobody else could.

I think Shane hits pretty damn hard but he was old when he fought mayweather and hey he asked for it and mayweather obliged so no criticism towards him.

Tito would never...EVER...beat Floyd. Sorry...that's a fact.

Actually, one good question that comes out of this thread is how would Floyd's best opponents have fared against the top guys, but not the all-time greats, from yesteryear. Could Hatton have hung with Fritzie Zivic or Jackie "Kid" Berg? Cotto with Jimmy McClarnin from Ireland or Kid Gavilan from Cuba? How would Corrales have fared against Johnny Dundee or Battling Batallino?

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I think Shane hits pretty damn hard but he was old when he fought mayweather and hey he asked for it and mayweather obliged so no criticism towards him.

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Shane wobbled Floyd good, as did Zab.

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Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

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Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

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Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

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Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

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None of the fighters you state had Tito power, at welter he would have beaten those fighters you mention that had power.

Style wise I agree Floyd would pose a lot of problems but Tito had height and reach advantages and he would have caught Floyd in the end.

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Like he did with Oscar, Camacho and Whitaker? Tito had power, yes, but when you add the fact that Oscar was robbed you have a fighter that looked great against solid b+ fighters, but didn't against the better ones.
Who did he fight that was a hall of famer? Oscar, Camacho, Hopkins, Whitaker, Wright, Jones Jr. He didn't stop any of them, and there is no reason to suggest he would find Floyd. Nobody else could.

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Oscar ran away from the power and gave the fight away, Camacho held on for dear life, and he comprehensively beat an old Whitaker. Wright and Jones came after he retired and Hopkins was at middleweight.

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Floyd is untested over 135

He became totally content after the Oscar fight and is just living off his name ... cashing out for low risk, high reward, lucrative fights.

Nothing wrong with that though but I've personally witnessed better boxers than Floyd.

I was young for the tail end of Tyson's career but I still remember it. His physical gifts and attributes trump Floyd's ... his skill wasn't quite the same in the 90s as it was in the late 80s but he still showed flashes of excellent footwork, head movement, punching technique and combination punching. Of course I didn't really notice these things as a kid ... was more impressed with his explosiveness :D

Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

Two guys that I've personally seen who were leagues above Floyd IMO. He's nothing special compared to Tyson or Roy. Elbowing people in the throat isn't great defense IMO.

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I don't know how the hell you can criticise Floyd's resume and then hail Tyson and Roy. Roy fought nobody of note above 168lbs, and Tyson lost to the first elite level fighter he faced. Vitali as had rounds where his opponent hasn't landed a single punch.

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Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135. And lets not forget him moving to heavyweight and taking a strap off John Ruiz ... that alone is better than Floyd's entire career.

His best wins in James Toney and Bernard Hopkins are better than Floyd's best wins over Corrales and Castillo ... and anyone who saw the first Castillo fight knows that Floyd got a gift and Castillo should have won.

Tyson in his prime was unstoppable and was something else ... if you are talking about the Holyfield loss then remember that he was inactive for 4 years and came back from incarceration ... he was years removed from his prime and his skills had woefully deteriorated by then ... him winning two belts despite that is impressive in itself. The Douglas loss was a fluke and Tysons wins over Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Bruno, and Ruddock are better than whatever Floyd has done.

I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with Floyd's wins over a shot Cotto, an old Mosley, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti and whoever else he fought at over 135. I mean Carlos Baldomir? Arturo Gatti? Are you serious?? Gatti was a C class fighter according to Floyd himself! Baldomir was a nobody who became champion because he fought Zab Judah, who always collapses and fails in big fights. Floyd's accomplishments are nothing to gawk at either ... he wasn't even the most accomplished fighter in his era ... Manny Pacquiao is. Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champ ever and the fastest besides L. Spinks to become champion. He was also the first in nearly a decade to become undisputed heavyweight champion ... Tyson and Roy are a few leagues above Floyd. Floyd never fought anyone special over 135 ... except maybe an old Oscar and he barely won that fight. And his talent and skill are not above Mike Tyson's or Roy Jones Jr.'s either.

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Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

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Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

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Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

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Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

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None of the fighters you state had Tito power, at welter he would have beaten those fighters you mention that had power.

Style wise I agree Floyd would pose a lot of problems but Tito had height and reach advantages and he would have caught Floyd in the end.

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Like he did with Oscar, Camacho and Whitaker? Tito had power, yes, but when you add the fact that Oscar was robbed you have a fighter that looked great against solid b+ fighters, but didn't against the better ones.
Who did he fight that was a hall of famer? Oscar, Camacho, Hopkins, Whitaker, Wright, Jones Jr. He didn't stop any of them, and there is no reason to suggest he would find Floyd. Nobody else could.

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Oscar ran away from the power and gave the fight away, Camacho held on for dear life, and he comprehensively beat an old Whitaker. Wright and Jones came after he retired and Hopkins was at middleweight.

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Oscar schooled him for the first eight rounds. then eased off because he rightly presumed he had a huge margin.
You're missing the point. Who did he beat at welterweight or light middle? He has only one name, Oscar (I'll ignore an old Camacho and Whitaker), and only the halfwits judging that fight actually believe he won.

"Roy beating Ruiz is better than anything in Floyd's career"

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Show me a FMJ win more impressive and awe inspiring than either of these wins

Tyson 91 second destruction of lineal champ Michael Spinks who just came off two huge wins over Larry Holmes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN9bpOV9beQ

Roy Jones Jr. annihilation of Montell Griffin who just beat James Toney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xxP1Q4V-Bs

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Floyd is untested over 135

He became totally content after the Oscar fight and is just living off his name ... cashing out for low risk, high reward, lucrative fights.

Nothing wrong with that though but I've personally witnessed better boxers than Floyd.

I was young for the tail end of Tyson's career but I still remember it. His physical gifts and attributes trump Floyd's ... his skill wasn't quite the same in the 90s as it was in the late 80s but he still showed flashes of excellent footwork, head movement, punching technique and combination punching. Of course I didn't really notice these things as a kid ... was more impressed with his explosiveness :D

Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

Two guys that I've personally seen who were leagues above Floyd IMO. He's nothing special compared to Tyson or Roy. Elbowing people in the throat isn't great defense IMO.

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I don't know how the hell you can criticise Floyd's resume and then hail Tyson and Roy. Roy fought nobody of note above 168lbs, and Tyson lost to the first elite level fighter he faced. Vitali as had rounds where his opponent hasn't landed a single punch.

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Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135. And lets not forget him moving to heavyweight and taking a strap off John Ruiz ... that alone is better than Floyd's entire career.

His best wins in James Toney and Bernard Hopkins are better than Floyd's best wins over Corrales and Castillo ... and anyone who saw the first Castillo fight knows that Floyd got a gift and Castillo should have won.

Tyson in his prime was unstoppable and was something else ... if you are talking about the Holyfield loss then remember that he was inactive for 4 years and came back from incarceration ... he was years removed from his prime and his skills had woefully deteriorated by then ... him winning two belts despite that is impressive in itself. The Douglas loss was a fluke and Tysons wins over Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Bruno, and Ruddock are better than whatever Floyd has done.

I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with Floyd's wins over a shot Cotto, an old Mosley, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti and whoever else he fought at over 135. I mean Carlos Baldomir? Arturo Gatti? Are you serious?? Gatti was a C class fighter according to Floyd himself! Baldomir was a nobody who literally lucked in over Zab Judah, who always collapses and fails in big fights. Floyd's accomplishments are nothing to gawk at either ... he wasn't even the most accomplished fighter in his era ... Manny Pacquiao is. Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champ ever and the fastest besides L. Spinks to become champion. He was also the first in nearly a decade to become undisputed heavyweight champion ... Tyson and Roy are a few leagues above Floyd. Floyd never fought anyone special over 135 ... except maybe an old Oscar and he barely won that fight.

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I get it. The name. You like Tyson. Love is blind.

I suppose if the lighter weights had fighters of the quality of Richard Frazier, Tony Thornton or David Telesco, or possibly Carl Williams or that other heavyweight legend Trevor Berbick then Floyd's resume would be complete.

How you can call Mosley old and then ig up Tyson, whose only claim to fame is victory over a 38 year old Holmes who hadn't fought in two years.

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"Roy beating Ruiz is better than anything in Floyd's career"

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Roy did what wasn't done in over a century. Pretty freaking impressive if you ask me.

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Floyd is untested over 135

He became totally content after the Oscar fight and is just living off his name ... cashing out for low risk, high reward, lucrative fights.

Nothing wrong with that though but I've personally witnessed better boxers than Floyd.

I was young for the tail end of Tyson's career but I still remember it. His physical gifts and attributes trump Floyd's ... his skill wasn't quite the same in the 90s as it was in the late 80s but he still showed flashes of excellent footwork, head movement, punching technique and combination punching. Of course I didn't really notice these things as a kid ... was more impressed with his explosiveness :D

Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

Two guys that I've personally seen who were leagues above Floyd IMO. He's nothing special compared to Tyson or Roy. Elbowing people in the throat isn't great defense IMO.

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I don't know how the hell you can criticise Floyd's resume and then hail Tyson and Roy. Roy fought nobody of note above 168lbs, and Tyson lost to the first elite level fighter he faced. Vitali as had rounds where his opponent hasn't landed a single punch.

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Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135. And lets not forget him moving to heavyweight and taking a strap off John Ruiz ... that alone is better than Floyd's entire career.

His best wins in James Toney and Bernard Hopkins are better than Floyd's best wins over Corrales and Castillo ... and anyone who saw the first Castillo fight knows that Floyd got a gift and Castillo should have won.

Tyson in his prime was unstoppable and was something else ... if you are talking about the Holyfield loss then remember that he was inactive for 4 years and came back from incarceration ... he was years removed from his prime and his skills had woefully deteriorated by then ... him winning two belts despite that is impressive in itself. The Douglas loss was a fluke and Tysons wins over Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Bruno, and Ruddock are better than whatever Floyd has done.

I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with Floyd's wins over a shot Cotto, an old Mosley, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti and whoever else he fought at over 135. I mean Carlos Baldomir? Arturo Gatti? Are you serious?? Gatti was a C class fighter according to Floyd himself! Baldomir was a nobody who literally lucked in over Zab Judah, who always collapses and fails in big fights. Floyd's accomplishments are nothing to gawk at either ... he wasn't even the most accomplished fighter in his era ... Manny Pacquiao is. Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champ ever and the fastest besides L. Spinks to become champion. He was also the first in nearly a decade to become undisputed heavyweight champion ... Tyson and Roy are a few leagues above Floyd. Floyd never fought anyone special over 135 ... except maybe an old Oscar and he barely won that fight.

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I get it. The name. You like Tyson. Love is blind.

I suppose if the lighter weights had fighters of the quality of Richard Frazier, Tony Thornton or David Telesco, or possibly Carl Williams or that other heavyweight legend Trevor Berbick then Floyd's resume would be complete.

How you can call Mosley old and then ig up Tyson, whose only claim to fame is victory over a 38 year old Holmes who hadn't fought in two years.

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Berbick was better than Arturo Gatti and a JMM who was jumping two weight classes to fight Floyd, and Floyd didn't even make the weight. So thanks for pointing out that RJJ and Tyson's lesser wins are comparable to Floyd's best over 135 ;D

Face it, his record over 135 is weak and cherry picked. He avoided Margarito and didn't want to fight Cotto when he was ascending.

And Tyson was already more famous than Holmes ever was before he fought him. Look at Holmes resume after the Tyson fight and look at Mosley's.

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"Roy beating Ruiz is better than anything in Floyd's career"

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Roy did what wasn't done in over a century. Pretty freaking impressive if you ask me.

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Floyd is untested over 135

He became totally content after the Oscar fight and is just living off his name ... cashing out for low risk, high reward, lucrative fights.

Nothing wrong with that though but I've personally witnessed better boxers than Floyd.

I was young for the tail end of Tyson's career but I still remember it. His physical gifts and attributes trump Floyd's ... his skill wasn't quite the same in the 90s as it was in the late 80s but he still showed flashes of excellent footwork, head movement, punching technique and combination punching. Of course I didn't really notice these things as a kid ... was more impressed with his explosiveness :D

Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

Two guys that I've personally seen who were leagues above Floyd IMO. He's nothing special compared to Tyson or Roy. Elbowing people in the throat isn't great defense IMO.

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I don't know how the hell you can criticise Floyd's resume and then hail Tyson and Roy. Roy fought nobody of note above 168lbs, and Tyson lost to the first elite level fighter he faced. Vitali as had rounds where his opponent hasn't landed a single punch.

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Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135. And lets not forget him moving to heavyweight and taking a strap off John Ruiz ... that alone is better than Floyd's entire career.

His best wins in James Toney and Bernard Hopkins are better than Floyd's best wins over Corrales and Castillo ... and anyone who saw the first Castillo fight knows that Floyd got a gift and Castillo should have won.

Tyson in his prime was unstoppable and was something else ... if you are talking about the Holyfield loss then remember that he was inactive for 4 years and came back from incarceration ... he was years removed from his prime and his skills had woefully deteriorated by then ... him winning two belts despite that is impressive in itself. The Douglas loss was a fluke and Tysons wins over Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Bruno, and Ruddock are better than whatever Floyd has done.

I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with Floyd's wins over a shot Cotto, an old Mosley, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti and whoever else he fought at over 135. I mean Carlos Baldomir? Arturo Gatti? Are you serious?? Gatti was a C class fighter according to Floyd himself! Baldomir was a nobody who literally lucked in over Zab Judah, who always collapses and fails in big fights. Floyd's accomplishments are nothing to gawk at either ... he wasn't even the most accomplished fighter in his era ... Manny Pacquiao is. Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champ ever and the fastest besides L. Spinks to become champion. He was also the first in nearly a decade to become undisputed heavyweight champion ... Tyson and Roy are a few leagues above Floyd. Floyd never fought anyone special over 135 ... except maybe an old Oscar and he barely won that fight.

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I get it. The name. You like Tyson. Love is blind.

I suppose if the lighter weights had fighters of the quality of Richard Frazier, Tony Thornton or David Telesco, or possibly Carl Williams or that other heavyweight legend Trevor Berbick then Floyd's resume would be complete.

How you can call Mosley old and then ig up Tyson, whose only claim to fame is victory over a 38 year old Holmes who hadn't fought in two years.

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Berbick was better than Arturo Gatti and a JMM who was jumping two weight classes to fight Floyd, and Floyd didn't even make the weight. So thanks for pointing out that RJJ and Tyson's lesser wins are comparable to Floyd's best over 135 ;D

Face it, his record over 135 is weak and cherry picked. He avoided Margarito and didn't want to fight Cotto when he was ascending.

And Tyson was already more famous than Holmes ever was before he fought him. Look at Holmes resume after the Tyson fight and look at Mosley's.

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Mosley was the number one at his weight when Floyd fought him, Berbick was not. He was a joke. He never cracked the top five in a weak era. At least Gatti was a two weight world champion.
I didn't see Mayweather getting knocked out easily like Jones Jr and Tyson were.
It's a same that nobody else sees Tyson like you do. He didn't make the Ring magazine's top ten heavyweights of the last 80 years, much less all time.

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"Roy beating Ruiz is better than anything in Floyd's career"

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Roy did what wasn't done in over a century. Pretty freaking impressive if you ask me.

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Floyd is untested over 135

He became totally content after the Oscar fight and is just living off his name ... cashing out for low risk, high reward, lucrative fights.

Nothing wrong with that though but I've personally witnessed better boxers than Floyd.

I was young for the tail end of Tyson's career but I still remember it. His physical gifts and attributes trump Floyd's ... his skill wasn't quite the same in the 90s as it was in the late 80s but he still showed flashes of excellent footwork, head movement, punching technique and combination punching. Of course I didn't really notice these things as a kid ... was more impressed with his explosiveness :D

Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

Two guys that I've personally seen who were leagues above Floyd IMO. He's nothing special compared to Tyson or Roy. Elbowing people in the throat isn't great defense IMO.

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I don't know how the hell you can criticise Floyd's resume and then hail Tyson and Roy. Roy fought nobody of note above 168lbs, and Tyson lost to the first elite level fighter he faced. Vitali as had rounds where his opponent hasn't landed a single punch.

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Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135. And lets not forget him moving to heavyweight and taking a strap off John Ruiz ... that alone is better than Floyd's entire career.

His best wins in James Toney and Bernard Hopkins are better than Floyd's best wins over Corrales and Castillo ... and anyone who saw the first Castillo fight knows that Floyd got a gift and Castillo should have won.

Tyson in his prime was unstoppable and was something else ... if you are talking about the Holyfield loss then remember that he was inactive for 4 years and came back from incarceration ... he was years removed from his prime and his skills had woefully deteriorated by then ... him winning two belts despite that is impressive in itself. The Douglas loss was a fluke and Tysons wins over Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Bruno, and Ruddock are better than whatever Floyd has done.

I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with Floyd's wins over a shot Cotto, an old Mosley, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti and whoever else he fought at over 135. I mean Carlos Baldomir? Arturo Gatti? Are you serious?? Gatti was a C class fighter according to Floyd himself! Baldomir was a nobody who literally lucked in over Zab Judah, who always collapses and fails in big fights. Floyd's accomplishments are nothing to gawk at either ... he wasn't even the most accomplished fighter in his era ... Manny Pacquiao is. Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champ ever and the fastest besides L. Spinks to become champion. He was also the first in nearly a decade to become undisputed heavyweight champion ... Tyson and Roy are a few leagues above Floyd. Floyd never fought anyone special over 135 ... except maybe an old Oscar and he barely won that fight.

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I get it. The name. You like Tyson. Love is blind.

I suppose if the lighter weights had fighters of the quality of Richard Frazier, Tony Thornton or David Telesco, or possibly Carl Williams or that other heavyweight legend Trevor Berbick then Floyd's resume would be complete.

How you can call Mosley old and then ig up Tyson, whose only claim to fame is victory over a 38 year old Holmes who hadn't fought in two years.

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Berbick was better than Arturo Gatti and a JMM who was jumping two weight classes to fight Floyd, and Floyd didn't even make the weight. So thanks for pointing out that RJJ and Tyson's lesser wins are comparable to Floyd's best over 135 ;D

Face it, his record over 135 is weak and cherry picked. He avoided Margarito and didn't want to fight Cotto when he was ascending.

And Tyson was already more famous than Holmes ever was before he fought him. Look at Holmes resume after the Tyson fight and look at Mosley's.

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Mosley was the number one at his weight when Floyd fought him, Berbick was not. He was a joke. He never cracked the top five in a weak era. At least Gatti was a two weight world champion.
I didn't see Mayweather getting knocked out easily like Jones Jr and Tyson were.
It's a same that nobody else sees Tyson like you do. He didn't make the Ring magazine's top ten heavyweights of the last 80 years, much less all time.

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LOL dude are you feeling OK?? Berbick was a champion! Mosley beat Margarito who Floyd avoided him to get that ranking. Rankings don't mean that much ... what was a shot, brain damaged Hasim Rahman ranked when he fought Povetkin??? You are honestly comparing Floyd's best wins with Tyson's lesser wins ... and still losing ;D

Berbick was a legit heavyweight champion who even gave Holmes trouble ... Gatti was nothing, a C class fighter according to Floyd himself. Tyson was KOed when he was finished and the same with Roy ... they hung around too long which is why this stuff happened. They actually fought people instead of the cherry picked bums or shot guys Floyd lines up, after coming back from his multiples vacations/retirements.

Here's Floyd opinion on Gatti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew8_xMvN4HU

Paper champ, C fighter ... typical Floyd opponent LOL

Tyson was knocked out because he stuck around too long? He was 23 ffs.

You have already stated that Tyson was before your time, and methinks you have rose tinted spectacles on. Those of us old enough to remember his rise and fall are less impressed, hence the reason why no independent expert poles have Tyson in their top ten heavyweights...I suppose you rate him higher.

I know a rabid Ricky Hatton fan that swears blind he would beat Duran at 140lbs. I can't prove him wrong, as we'll never know, but my own opinion is that Hatton could only win with a hand grenade.

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Roy did what wasn't done in over a century. Pretty freaking impressive if you ask me.

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In over a century no-one had beat a shit plodding heavyweight that can't punch?

That win is about the same level as Floyd's over Baldomir.

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Tyson was knocked out because he stuck around too long? He was 23 ffs.

You have already stated that Tyson was before your time, and methinks you have rose tinted spectacles on. Those of us old enough to remember his rise and fall are less impressed, hence the reason why no independent expert poles have Tyson in their top ten heavyweights...I suppose you rate him higher.

I know a rabid Ricky Hatton fan that swears blind he would beat Duran at 140lbs. I can't prove him wrong, as we'll never know, but my own opinion is that Hatton could only win with a hand grenade.

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So you're claiming that Douglas was the first "elite fighter" he faced?? Douglas was perceived to be one of the lesser opponents he fought during his title defenses., and most of you people would just refer to him as a "bum." The first real elite fighter he fought was probably Tony Tucker and he easily beat him.

If you can't even decide if Douglas is either a bum or an "elite fighter" then you have no credibility. But then again you're trying to prove that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best boxer of all time, which is laughable. Claiming that he's the best of all time is more far-fetched than a Hatton fan claiming that Hatton could beat Duran at 140 lbs.

Jose Luis Castillo beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. in April of 2002. The no losses on his resume is why he considers himself the greatest, so I guess you're arguing with Floyd himself here. He lost to Castillo the first time hence Floyd's claim to being the GOAT is refuted by himself.

Floyd ducked his way out over 135 lbs. And nobody cares about these subjective lists that are put out of the greatest heavyweights or anybody. You'll find more lists with Mike Tyson being a top 10 heavyweight then lists with Mayweather as the best boxer ever. Mayweathers resume over 135 is a joke ... Tyson's win over Berbick is better than anything he has over 135. Tyson cleaned out a division at the age of 22 and had he retired after Spinks many would consider him the best heavyweight ever and a lock for top 3.

Tyson's career after prison is even better than Floyd's.

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Roy did what wasn't done in over a century. Pretty freaking impressive if you ask me.

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In over a century no-one had beat a shit plodding heavyweight that can't punch?

That win is about the same level as Floyd's over Baldomir.

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LOL you still seem to be butthurt about Roy Jones Jr. being the undisputed LHW champion of the world when DM was sitting on his worthless "lineal title" fighting Roy's leftovers and then losing to them. DM was essentially stripped of his "lineal" title to RJJ who was the undisputed LHW champ of the world and was awarded his own lineal title and was P4P king. DM was a nobody who never fought RJJ and had no reason to stay ducking in Germany.

If its a weak accomplishment then why hasn't it been done in over a century? John Ruiz was able to beat Holyfield and was a champion ... Baldomir was nothing and beat Zab Judah, who always losses big fights. Ruiz only had 4 losses before the Roy fight while Baldomir had 9 ... and he was old.

And if Ruiz was just a "plodding heavyweight" then what was Margarito at welter?? He would just block punches with his face and was less talented and skilled than Ruiz ... and Floyd DUCKED him in the mid 2000's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BWElcszSY

"We're not fighting to prove to boxing fans who the best is"

LOL Floyd is a funny guy :D

It appears I talk so much sense that you need to put words in my mouth to discredit me. Please point out where I said Floyd was the best pound for pound fighter ever?

He wouldn't even make my top ten. I just stated that I, like most sane humna beings, rate Mayweather above the two you mentioned.

How do I rate Buster Douglas? Well, e easily dominated and knocked out Tyson. If you class him as a bum, how did he do that so easily?

Its tough to rate heavyweights in a P4P sense but Tyson is a few leagues above Floyd.

So is Roy.

Douglas beat a hungover Tyson who had a load of problems outside the ring and was on a diet of nothing but soup to try and get into fighting shape for the fight. He was about as unprepared as his corner ... those geniuses didn't even bring an enswell. Tyson hardly trained and didn't take Douglas seriously who trained like his life depended on it and was HIGHLY motivated. The stars aligned and Douglas pulled off the greatest upset in boxing history. Even with Tyson clearly losing he almost won with that monstrous uppercut in the 8th round that sent Douglas down. It was a fluke win and Douglas never took a rematch against Mike, who was furious over his performance and highly motivated afterwards to right his wrong. We all know that Douglas could never do that to a prime Tyson with Rooney or even a refocused Tyson. He didn't want to erase the mystique from that fight and prove that it was just a fluke so a rematch never happened.

Whats Floyd's excuse against Castillo? His resume at 130 to 135 is good but above that its garbage. He's nothing special. Yeah he has skill and talent but it doesn't compare to Tyson and RJJ. Pacquiao was the better fighter than Floyd in this current era. He's not even the best fighter of his own era. He fights C fighters own his own admission.

His resume is alright but his talent is behind RJJ and Mike Tyson who had an aura of invincibility around them. Tyson was destroying people effortlessly and RJJ would just toy with his competition and never seemed to lose a round.

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LOL you still seem to be butthurt about Roy Jones Jr. being the undisputed LHW champion of the world when DM was sitting on his worthless "lineal title" fighting Roy's leftovers and then losing to them. DM was essentially stripped of his "lineal" title to RJJ who was the undisputed LHW champ of the world and was awarded his own lineal title and was P4P king. DM was a nobody who never fought RJJ and had no reason to stay ducking in Germany.

If its a weak accomplishment then why hasn't it been done in over a century? John Ruiz was able to beat Holyfield and was a champion ... Baldomir was nothing and beat Zab Judah, who always losses big fights. Ruiz only had 4 losses before the Roy fight while Baldomir had 9 ... and he was old.

And if Ruiz was just a "plodding heavyweight" then what was Margarito at welter?? He would just block punches with his face and was less talented and skilled than Ruiz ... and Floyd DUCKED him in the mid 2000's

Proof Floyd Mayweather Scared of Margarito and Ducking Cotto - YouTube

"We're not fighting to prove to boxing fans who the best is"

LOL Floyd is a funny guy :D

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Why would I be "butthurt" about being right? If you don't want to accept the truth that's fine by me (;)).

I am a big Roy fan, however, I don't make out his acomplishments are far greater than they actually are. The Ruiz fight was a good win over an average at best heavyweight that had a WBA title because the REAL heavyweight champion - Lennox Lewis - had been stripped of it.

Remove the silly WBA from the equation and all you're left with is Jones beat a man giving him 30lbs. Big deal? It's done all the time.

James Toney went from middleweight and beat both Ruiz and Holyfield. Lots of middleweights from the past have fought THE heavyweight champion and beaten heavyweight contenders. That's all Roy did, beat a top ten contender, it shouldn't be dressed up as anything more than that.

Toney was on anabolics when he beat Ruiz and Holyfield was coming off a loss when he fought Toney.

I may have overstated Roy's win but it was much better than the Baldomir win that Floyd has. And if its so easy then why hasn't it been done in over a century? Chad Dawson should have no problem beating Povetkin if its so simple. He's just an ABC title holder and nothing but a contender, right? He was over 30 lbs heavier than Roy on fight night ... that is conclusively better than Floyd over 135. Its actually like Floyd fighting Chad Dawson.

I'm still loling at Floyd's work over 135 ... the only decent name is Cotto.

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It hasn't been done in over a century because there has never been a more beatable heavyweight champion.

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Toney was on anabolics when he beat Ruiz and Holyfield was coming off a loss when he fought Toney.

I may have overstated Roy's win but it was much better than the Baldomir win that Floyd has. And if its so easy then why hasn't it been done in over a century? Chad Dawson should have no problem beating Povetkin if its so simple. He's just an ABC title holder and nothing but a contender, right? He was over 30 lbs heavier than Roy on fight night ... that is conclusively better than Floyd over 135. Its actually like Floyd fighting Chad Dawson.

I'm still loling at Floyd's work over 135 ... the only decent name is Cotto.

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You don't seem to get that all Roy did was give away 30lb to a heavyweight. Holyfield was giving 30lb to Bowe and Lewis. David Haye gave Valuev 100lb (lol).

Adamek stepped up to heavyweight and is successful giving away more than 30lbs. Dawson, Hopkins, Tarver, Calzaghe, Ward etc - I'd bet plenty of these guys could beat an average heavyweight, but could they have beat Lennox Lewis, Wlad/Vitali, Tyson in his pomp? No! They'd get killed. Just like Roy would have if he challenged THE real champ at the time - Lewis.

The middleweights from the past were challenging guys like - Louis, Marciano, Corbett etc. What Roy did isn't even in the same ballpark.

(Floyd's win over Baldomir was for the lineal welterweight title, it wasn't a great win, and it wasn't as good as Roy's over Ruiz (I said that tongue in cheek) but it has more significance than beating an alpahbet holder)

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Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

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Listen I'm not going to say a bad word about RJJ because I think he was one of the greatest talents boxing has ever seen.

But if you want to be fair and shit on Floyd's opponents... you're talking about Roy pitching a shut out at 168 against a blown up 140lber who was coming back from a car accident where he BROKE HIS NECK.

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SRL? Ok. Hearns? Fair enough. But Tito? Tito got completely outfoxed by Oscar and got one of the biggest gifts in boxing history. He's never showed any ability to deal with a guy with slick defense, quick hands and the ability to keep him from planting his feet and nullifying the left hook.

I just can't see Tito winning (save for an Oscar-like robbery).

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Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135.

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Virgil Hill - When Roy beat him he was coming off a loss to The Tiger. Great win, great performance, but fighting a guy coming off a big loss.

Glen Kelly - Glen Kelly?!? GLEN KELLY?? He amassed a good record fighting nobodies, then got starched when he stepped up. His career when no where. You'd put him up with Cotto, undefeated Hatton, Mosely, ect? What??

Antonio Tarver - Looked AWFUL in that "win", a lot of people felt Tarver beat him up and deserved the nod.

JSG - Solid fighter, only pro a few years at the time I think.

Montell Griffin - Solid fighter, very unorthodox, but gave Roy hell in the first fight and was far from great.

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As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

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SRL? Ok. Hearns? Fair enough. But Tito? Tito got completely outfoxed by Oscar and got one of the biggest gifts in boxing history. He's never showed any ability to deal with a guy with slick defense, quick hands and the ability to keep him from planting his feet and nullifying the left hook.

I just can't see Tito winning (save for an Oscar-like robbery).

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Tito would win so would a peak Oscar at welterweight. :)

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Tito would win so would a peak Oscar at welterweight. :)

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The Oscar who fought Tito would be an intriguing fight for sure

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Tito would win so would a peak Oscar at welterweight. :)

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The Oscar who fought Tito would be an intriguing fight for sure

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Agreed he was at his peak, he would have kept that jab coming throughout the fight and he would not have to worry about Floyd's power.

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Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

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Listen I'm not going to say a bad word about RJJ because I think he was one of the greatest talents boxing has ever seen.

But if you want to be fair and shit on Floyd's opponents... you're talking about Roy pitching a shut out at 168 against a blown up 140lber who was coming back from a car accident where he BROKE HIS NECK.

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Relax. I was only putting that fact out there because Floyd fans and Floyd himself always brag about his CompuBox numbers and defense. I don't rate the Paz win high at all.

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Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135.

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Virgil Hill - When Roy beat him he was coming off a loss to The Tiger. Great win, great performance, but fighting a guy coming off a big loss.

Glen Kelly - Glen Kelly?!? GLEN KELLY?? He amassed a good record fighting nobodies, then got starched when he stepped up. His career when no where. You'd put him up with Cotto, undefeated Hatton, Mosely, ect? What??

Antonio Tarver - Looked AWFUL in that "win", a lot of people felt Tarver beat him up and deserved the nod.

JSG - Solid fighter, only pro a few years at the time I think.

Montell Griffin - Solid fighter, very unorthodox, but gave Roy hell in the first fight and was far from great.

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Virgil Hill lost by decision to DM but was KOed by Roy in a much more dominant performance. It was a good win despite him coming off a lose. And that was his only KO loss ever. Better than Mayweathers Cotto victory which is his best over 135.

As for Glen Kelly that was a good win, stop trying to diminish it. He was an undefeated prospect and outweighed Roy by a significant amount on fight night.

Roy was coming down in weight to fight Tarver and was never the same after the Ruiz fight.

JSG beat the life out of the "lineal" champ DM after he got thrashed by Roy. A very good fighter. Better than an old Mosley, hype job Hatton, and probably better than a shot Cotto.

It doesn't matter that much anyway since RJJ has a better resume overall than Floyd. He became undisputed LHW champ while Floyd retired and went on vacation, avoiding big names at welterweight.

His resume up to 168 is better than Floyd's up to 135. Toney, B Hop >>> Corrales, Castillo.

If we made a poll here to see who people thought was "better" and put up RJJ against Tyson against Floyd I'm sure that Floyd would get the least amount of votes. Floyd's reign has been eclipsed by Pacquiao. RJJ and Tyson were more impressive fighters.

But you're saying that those wins were better than Floyd's wins. Not only are you putting Glen Kelly in the same sentence as guys like Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto, you're insinuating that he was a BETTER win than those guys, which is possibly the craziest thing I've ever heard on this forum.

I've defended Roy's opposition for almost 10 years, and even I never had the audacity to argue that Glen Kelly was a meaningful win. The guy was never even a world champ.

I don't see how Mike Tyson belongs in the conversation. Roy Jones went 15 years into his career before he truely lost a fight. Floyd is into his 17th year without a loss, and regardless of what his haters think, he's fought some incredible fighters.

Mike Tyson had 5 or 6 great years then went to jail and turned into a freakshow. He doesn't belong in a p4p greatness discussion with guys like Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather.

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Not gonna argue that. He dominated an ATG in Toney like no one else has before and beat Hopkins with one good hand, maybe a bit before his prime, but still an absolute killer.

When I started this thread, I said I wasn't going to argue about who fought better opposition because, whether we want to admit it or not, it's all subjective. You can pick apart ANYBODY'S opposition. People will see what they want to see in your opposition.

My statement is this: there has NEVER been a guy who has displayed the combination of athletic ability and ring genius that Floyd has displayed. Roy was a genius in the ring as well, but I feel (like Ali) he relied a lot on his insane reflexes and foot speed to avoid punches, which is fine.

Floyd (like a prime James Toney) had the ability to eat guys up on the inside and the outside and displayed superior boxing skill to Roy Jones.

I agree with that statement ... except for the "NEVER" part.

Floyd has talent and skills ... he's pretty much a boxing prodigy but there have been guys in the past who have shown just as much.

You can knock Tyson all you want, but you can't deny that he was also supremely talented and skilled. His athleticism was off the charts and his skill level was on par with anyone. No one at HW was ever had that combo of skill, talent, and athleticism. RJJ had the insane athleticism but I agree that his skills weren't as refined as Floyd's. He would do stuff that was technically wrong but come away with it because of his talent. And now that his physical gifts are leaving him, he's getting KOed. He never even developed a jab in his entire career.

Guys like Pernell Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor were also like Floyd. Same kind of skill and talent ... Floyd is not that special dude. He does have a great combination of athleticism and skill, but its not like its never been seen before.

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I agree with that statement ... except for the "NEVER" part.

Floyd has talent and skills ... he's pretty much a boxing prodigy but there have been guys in the past who have shown just as much.

You can knock Tyson all you want, but you can't deny that he was also supremely talented and skilled. His athleticism was off the charts and his skill level was on par with anyone. No one at HW was ever had that combo of skill, talent, and athleticism. RJJ had the insane athleticism but I agree that his skills weren't as refined as Floyd's. He would do stuff that was technically wrong but come away with it because of his talent. And now that his physical gifts are leaving him, he's getting KOed. He never even developed a jab in his entire career.

Guys like Pernell Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor were also like Floyd. Same kind of skill and talent ... Floyd is not that special dude. He does have a great combination of athleticism and skill, but its not like its never been seen before.

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I actually agree with a large part of what you say, apart from the other guys showing as much as Floyd.
Floyd has physical gifts and technique that are rare, but not unheard of. I agree that Roy and Tyson (both of whom I'm a big fan of) had as impressive physical gifts.
What Floyd has in addition, which is far rarer is a combination of an outstanding ring IQ and a will to win tempered by absolute professionalism.
Roy and Tyson achieved notable victories fighting like Roy and Tyson. When their physical attributes failed, they failed.
Floyd adapts, and turns his foe's strengths against them, and more importantly is evolving his game as his body ages, which is when the other two fell down.

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I agree with that statement ... except for the "NEVER" part.

Floyd has talent and skills ... he's pretty much a boxing prodigy but there have been guys in the past who have shown just as much.

You can knock Tyson all you want, but you can't deny that he was also supremely talented and skilled. His athleticism was off the charts and his skill level was on par with anyone. No one at HW was ever had that combo of skill, talent, and athleticism. RJJ had the insane athleticism but I agree that his skills weren't as refined as Floyd's. He would do stuff that was technically wrong but come away with it because of his talent. And now that his physical gifts are leaving him, he's getting KOed. He never even developed a jab in his entire career.

Guys like Pernell Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor were also like Floyd. Same kind of skill and talent ... Floyd is not that special dude. He does have a great combination of athleticism and skill, but its not like its never been seen before.

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I actually agree with a large part of what you say, apart from the other guys showing as much as Floyd.
Floyd has physical gifts and technique that are rare, but not unheard of. I agree that Roy and Tyson (both of whom I'm a big fan of) had as impressive physical gifts.
What Floyd has in addition, which is far rarer is a combination of an outstanding ring IQ and a will to win tempered by absolute professionalism.
Roy and Tyson achieved notable victories fighting like Roy and Tyson. When their physical attributes failed, they failed.
Floyd adapts, and turns his foe's strengths against them, and more importantly is evolving his game as his body ages, which is when the other two fell down.

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Good point.

Adapt is such a great word.

So many great fighters have simply fought for too long and then their skills start to fade and they just cant adapt.

Floyd is getting older but he is si much smarter than every other fighter today.

He still has that incredible defense to fall back on where roy jones had no real defense and tysons peekaboo style started to wane as his got older.

I am a big fan of roy and tyson but floyd has so many tricks up his sleeve he will never make boxing retire him.

For a fighter to leave the massive wealth of bob arum and achieve what he has done in boxing without taking any punishment at 36 years old is pretty special.

Tyson abandoned his peak a boo style right after Rooney ... as soon as the first Bruno fight.

I will say that Floyd's skill at adapting and circumventing his opponents strength is good though.

Roy and Tyson were superior athletes but Floyd probably has better ring IQ. Floyd doesn't have that same aura about him as Tyson nor is he as dominant as Roy ... both of these guys looked untouchable in their primes. I don't get that from Floyd ... Castillo showed how to beat him and he barely got by Oscar. He also hasn't fought the best fighters at their best. Tyson's victims just looked to survive and Roy's opponents tried not to be embarrassed.

Floyd is the man, there's still some great fights for him to be in, I can't wait to see him fight twice this year.

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Tyson abandoned his peak a boo style right after Rooney ... as soon as the first Bruno fight.

I will say that Floyd's skill at adapting and circumventing his opponents strength is good though.

Roy and Tyson were superior athletes but Floyd probably has better ring IQ. Floyd doesn't have that same aura about him as Tyson nor is he as dominant as Roy ... both of these guys looked untouchable in their primes. I don't get that from Floyd ... Castillo showed how to beat him and he barely got by Oscar. He also hasn't fought the best fighters at their best. Tyson's victims just looked to survive and Roy's opponents tried not to be embarrassed.

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I was a huge Oscar fan, and wanted him to beat Floyd badly, so much so that when I first saw the fight I had it very close.
Having watched it recently with a much greater appreciation of Floyd and my love of Oscar fading I can honstly say I thought Floyd won it easily. I couldn't give more than a couple of rounds to De La Hoya.