I can't remember seeing a better fighter than prime Floyd Mayweather Jr

[Master]

Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

[Bobthepen]

Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

[Master]

Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

[Bobthepen]

Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

[Master]

Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

None of the fighters you state had Tito power, at welter he would have beaten those fighters you mention that had power.

Style wise I agree Floyd would pose a lot of problems but Tito had height and reach advantages and he would have caught Floyd in the end.

[Bobthepen]

Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

None of the fighters you state had Tito power, at welter he would have beaten those fighters you mention that had power.

Style wise I agree Floyd would pose a lot of problems but Tito had height and reach advantages and he would have caught Floyd in the end.

Like he did with Oscar, Camacho and Whitaker? Tito had power, yes, but when you add the fact that Oscar was robbed you have a fighter that looked great against solid b+ fighters, but didn't against the better ones.
Who did he fight that was a hall of famer? Oscar, Camacho, Hopkins, Whitaker, Wright, Jones Jr. He didn't stop any of them, and there is no reason to suggest he would find Floyd. Nobody else could.

[DavilaJones]

I think Shane hits pretty damn hard but he was old when he fought mayweather and hey he asked for it and mayweather obliged so no criticism towards him.

[Master]

Floyd is a great fighter but I believe, just like Pernell Whitaker, that his peak weight is not Welterweight. As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

What is Floyd’s prime, in terms of money it is now but his best weight would be super featherweight?

Tito? Are you kidding me? Tito looked great against come forward fighters. When he fought anybody who actually boxed (Hopkins, Wright, Oscar) he looked clueless.

Hopkins and Wright were at the higher weights. Oscar did give him trouble but Tito had power ad Floyd could not afford to make one mistake otherwise he would have got starched.

Oscar had power, Mosley had power, Chico had power, Ortiz had power, Cotto had power, Judah had power, Corley had power.

It would have made no difference what weight he would have fought Winky at. Oscar showed working behind the jab and moving laterally easily negates Tito's power, with or without his hand wraps.
Floyd's style is all wrong for Tito, and I'd see another shutout loss for him.

None of the fighters you state had Tito power, at welter he would have beaten those fighters you mention that had power.

Style wise I agree Floyd would pose a lot of problems but Tito had height and reach advantages and he would have caught Floyd in the end.

Like he did with Oscar, Camacho and Whitaker? Tito had power, yes, but when you add the fact that Oscar was robbed you have a fighter that looked great against solid b+ fighters, but didn't against the better ones.
Who did he fight that was a hall of famer? Oscar, Camacho, Hopkins, Whitaker, Wright, Jones Jr. He didn't stop any of them, and there is no reason to suggest he would find Floyd. Nobody else could.

Oscar ran away from the power and gave the fight away, Camacho held on for dear life, and he comprehensively beat an old Whitaker. Wright and Jones came after he retired and Hopkins was at middleweight.

[Beanflicker]

As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

SRL? Ok. Hearns? Fair enough. But Tito? Tito got completely outfoxed by Oscar and got one of the biggest gifts in boxing history. He's never showed any ability to deal with a guy with slick defense, quick hands and the ability to keep him from planting his feet and nullifying the left hook.

I just can't see Tito winning (save for an Oscar-like robbery).

[Master]

As I said earlier SRL would beat him and I believe Hearn’s and Tito would beat him too.

SRL? Ok. Hearns? Fair enough. But Tito? Tito got completely outfoxed by Oscar and got one of the biggest gifts in boxing history. He's never showed any ability to deal with a guy with slick defense, quick hands and the ability to keep him from planting his feet and nullifying the left hook.

I just can't see Tito winning (save for an Oscar-like robbery).

Tito would win so would a peak Oscar at welterweight.

[Beanflicker]

Tito would win so would a peak Oscar at welterweight.

The Oscar who fought Tito would be an intriguing fight for sure

[Master]

Tito would win so would a peak Oscar at welterweight.

The Oscar who fought Tito would be an intriguing fight for sure

Agreed he was at his peak, he would have kept that jab coming throughout the fight and he would not have to worry about Floyd's power.

[TysonBomb]

Roy Jones Jr. is another guy I rank above Floyd ... as a boxer I personally watched. Floyd's defense is supposed to be what makes him special, right? Well RJJ is the ONLY guy to have never been hit for a single round in the CompuBox era. Vinnie Paz didn't land a single shot in Roy in the 6th round of their bout. So much for Floyd bragging about his CompuBox stats. Roy arguably didn't lose a single round in his prime. He was the most dominant champion I've ever seen, along with Tyson.

Listen I'm not going to say a bad word about RJJ because I think he was one of the greatest talents boxing has ever seen.

But if you want to be fair and shit on Floyd's opponents... you're talking about Roy pitching a shut out at 168 against a blown up 140lber who was coming back from a car accident where he BROKE HIS NECK.

Relax. I was only putting that fact out there because Floyd fans and Floyd himself always brag about his CompuBox numbers and defense. I don't rate the Paz win high at all.

Beating Virgil Hill, Glen Kelly, Antonio Tarver, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Montell Griffin twice at 168+ is better than what Floyd did over 135.

Virgil Hill - When Roy beat him he was coming off a loss to The Tiger. Great win, great performance, but fighting a guy coming off a big loss.

Glen Kelly - Glen Kelly?!? GLEN KELLY?? He amassed a good record fighting nobodies, then got starched when he stepped up. His career when no where. You'd put him up with Cotto, undefeated Hatton, Mosely, ect? What??

Antonio Tarver - Looked AWFUL in that "win", a lot of people felt Tarver beat him up and deserved the nod.

JSG - Solid fighter, only pro a few years at the time I think.

Montell Griffin - Solid fighter, very unorthodox, but gave Roy hell in the first fight and was far from great.

Virgil Hill lost by decision to DM but was KOed by Roy in a much more dominant performance. It was a good win despite him coming off a lose. And that was his only KO loss ever. Better than Mayweathers Cotto victory which is his best over 135.

As for Glen Kelly that was a good win, stop trying to diminish it. He was an undefeated prospect and outweighed Roy by a significant amount on fight night.

Roy was coming down in weight to fight Tarver and was never the same after the Ruiz fight.

JSG beat the life out of the "lineal" champ DM after he got thrashed by Roy. A very good fighter. Better than an old Mosley, hype job Hatton, and probably better than a shot Cotto.

It doesn't matter that much anyway since RJJ has a better resume overall than Floyd. He became undisputed LHW champ while Floyd retired and went on vacation, avoiding big names at welterweight.

His resume up to 168 is better than Floyd's up to 135. Toney, B Hop >>> Corrales, Castillo.

If we made a poll here to see who people thought was "better" and put up RJJ against Tyson against Floyd I'm sure that Floyd would get the least amount of votes. Floyd's reign has been eclipsed by Pacquiao. RJJ and Tyson were more impressive fighters.

[Beanflicker]

But you're saying that those wins were better than Floyd's wins. Not only are you putting Glen Kelly in the same sentence as guys like Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto, you're insinuating that he was a BETTER win than those guys, which is possibly the craziest thing I've ever heard on this forum.

I've defended Roy's opposition for almost 10 years, and even I never had the audacity to argue that Glen Kelly was a meaningful win. The guy was never even a world champ.

I don't see how Mike Tyson belongs in the conversation. Roy Jones went 15 years into his career before he truely lost a fight. Floyd is into his 17th year without a loss, and regardless of what his haters think, he's fought some incredible fighters.

Mike Tyson had 5 or 6 great years then went to jail and turned into a freakshow. He doesn't belong in a p4p greatness discussion with guys like Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather.

[Beanflicker]

Toney, B Hop >>> Corrales, Castillo.

Not gonna argue that. He dominated an ATG in Toney like no one else has before and beat Hopkins with one good hand, maybe a bit before his prime, but still an absolute killer.

When I started this thread, I said I wasn't going to argue about who fought better opposition because, whether we want to admit it or not, it's all subjective. You can pick apart ANYBODY'S opposition. People will see what they want to see in your opposition.

My statement is this: there has NEVER been a guy who has displayed the combination of athletic ability and ring genius that Floyd has displayed. Roy was a genius in the ring as well, but I feel (like Ali) he relied a lot on his insane reflexes and foot speed to avoid punches, which is fine.

Floyd (like a prime James Toney) had the ability to eat guys up on the inside and the outside and displayed superior boxing skill to Roy Jones.