Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Well I'm only spitting hairs to argue with that because both those viewpoints are very valid. Mercer was a 12 round struggle for Lennox and Holyfield has a case for being the best fighter. I personally think both belong to Vitali but your view is also reasonable.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
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Max Power
Well I'm only spitting hairs to argue with that because both those viewpoints are very valid. Mercer was a 12 round struggle for Lennox and Holyfield has a case for being the best fighter. I personally think both belong to Vitali but your view is also reasonable.
Maybe you are right. If you asked Lewis he probably would say Vitali was the fight where he had to dig the deepest to get the win but he would know that was more because he had underestimated Vitlai than because the Klit brother was better than Holyfield or Mercer that he fought.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
uhhhh-erm....Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD FAT Lennox and let's face it, he couldnt drop or stop Lewis and Lewis tore up his face and won TKO.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Come off the grass blockbuster! Lennox was like 5 or 6 lbs over his usual fight weight, had more amassed experience than at any other point in his career and was only 37 years old, the same as Mayweather and younger than present day Wladimir and Vitali! That's virtually prime for a modern HW. He had a year off fine but he was still training to fight another top contender (Johnson) when he switched to Vitali who ALSO had only 2 weeks to prepare! So don't give me that "Vitali failed to defeat a shot Lennox BS!".
Seriously your Klitschko bashing is beyond a joke! Watch the fight, everybody in attendance, most of the whole crowd and the entire commentary and analytical crew agree Vitali was kicking ass. Lennox himself knew it too.
A few months later, Lennox witnessed Vitali's 2 round annihilation of top contender and highly skilled Kirk Johnson, an opponent who would also have been a tough fight for Lennox. No way did Lennox want any more of that. There was no chance of Lennox looking good or boxing well against Vitali like he did his previous opponents. Vitali retired Lewis!
Reality check blockbuster!
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Reality checks brockton, not the other way around.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Lewis got out of dodge in this fight, the cut saved his ass. He retired knowing full well that a return bout could be ugly...for him. He got lucky twice late in his career, the 2nd Holyfield fight was just as big an injustice against Holyfield as the draw was against Lewis. IMO Vitali stops him in a rematch. He was wise to retire.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
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brocktonblockbust
uhhhh-erm....Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD FAT Lennox and let's face it, he couldnt drop or stop Lewis and Lewis tore up his face and won TKO.
Brock is right.
Everyone keeps going on about IF this and IF that!
Lewis punches opened up vitalis face that is the whole point!
Reverse the situation and imagine lewis face looking like that!
I agree too. I think it's bad to try to discredit Lewis' win and attribute it to luck, and also act like Lewis actually lost the fight or that he owed a rematch. Just because something doesn't turn out the way you'd prefer doesn't mean it's open season for revisionist history.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Well I am not trying to argue that Vitali should have won the fight. But I will maintain that those cuts WERE CERTAINLY in the realm of unfortunate!
A couple of things don't quite add up. I followed the entire saga. Why did Lennox retire and as Larry Merchant put it "sailed off into the sunset" and not rematch Vitali when urged by everybody involved? Because he knew no matter how well prepaered he would be Vitali would be more so and he would not be lucky enough for cuts to emerge again.
Lewis won fairly. I know what his face looked like and thumb, elbow, head aside it was still legit.
But without luck, this was Vitali's fight. Lewis could barely stand up after 6.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Do you believe that Vitali has a "thin skin"? I find it difficult to buy the notion that were they to rematch, Vitali would be opened up again.
I'm not saying Vitali would beat Lewis, I think it would've been a very violent and very even fight.
I guess the main points we're not agreeing on is that I feel it was not the straight out force of Lewis's punches that opened Vitali up I feel it was the sharp edge of his gloves that tore his flesh from all the thumbs and side fists involved in their flurries and I believe there was an accidental elbow and head clash. I am not alone in this view as you would know.
Again I'm not claiming it's illegitimate, I even hold Lennox Lewis higher than Vitali in my rankings anyway. I just think Lewis was damn lucky.
The thing is Lewis did not fight his usual lacadasical style when he underestimated his opponent like the 1st Rahman fight, he fought furiously, I don't think he underestimated Vitali as much as people like to say. This was a pretty good version of Lewis that Vitali fought really.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
I will let it lie then on that note.
And for sakes sake... TKO6!
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
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brocktonblockbust
he woulda been KTFO after another 2 rounds, he was fading fast, Lennox was starting to find the mark with big shots and Vitali woulda been KTF OUT by the 8th/9th round tops.
There's proof of my point that the only reason the 2 klits are any "good" is that they are 6 ft 7 inches, have long ass orangutan arms in addition to their height, or shall we say in combination with their height. and backpeddle across the ring and run like sissies the minute anyone gets close.
They cannot go toe to toe with anybody their own size. Wussy trash. You give some guys a few more inches and same length arms and the klitschkos wouldnt even be in the Top 100.
This is possibly the most idiotic post I have ever read. Vitali was winning the fight against one of the best HWs ever, I think most people have him in their top 15, at 2 weeks notice. He was winning the fight and was just unlucky to get such a bad cut. And yes luck is the word for it. Jesus its like you didnt watch the fight.
The hate for the Klits is ridiculous particualry Vitali who is a warrior and your post is so disrespectful, not just to Vitali but to Lewis too.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
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Lets talk about the amount of punishment lewis took in the fight.
Vitali was SEVEN years younger than lewis but was very unfortunate to not be able to take the punches as well as lewis did.
Luck does not exist in fighting or in life.
Both warriors fought a great fight with vitali looking the fitter of the two but the fight had to be stopped.
THere is luck in boxing, well i prefer to call it unluck when it comes to cuts. Vitalis punches could have just as easily caused a cut on Lewis and in a fight like this one if they were to go at it the way they did it would be likely the cuts would even themself out.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
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brocktonblockbust
he woulda been KTFO after another 2 rounds, he was fading fast, Lennox was starting to find the mark with big shots and Vitali woulda been KTF OUT by the 8th/9th round tops.
There's proof of my point that the only reason the 2 klits are any "good" is that they are 6 ft 7 inches, have long ass orangutan arms in addition to their height, or shall we say in combination with their height. and backpeddle across the ring and run like sissies the minute anyone gets close.
They cannot go toe to toe with anybody their own size. Wussy trash. You give some guys a few more inches and same length arms and the klitschkos wouldnt even be in the Top 100.
This is possibly the most idiotic post I have ever read. Vitali was winning the fight against one of the best HWs ever, I think most people have him in their top 15, at 2 weeks notice. He was winning the fight and was just unlucky to get such a bad cut. And yes luck is the word for it. Jesus its like you didnt watch the fight.
The hate for the Klits is ridiculous particualry Vitali who is a warrior and your post is so disrespectful, not just to Vitali but to Lewis too.
Also what fucking fight wer you watching saying Vitali was tiring, Lewis was gassed.
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Now now, there's no need for such vitriol. Vitali probably sits down in chairs and wears regular deodorant, of course he won't cater to a renaissance man:cool:
Re: Prime Vitali went toe-to-toe with OLD Lennox and got his a@$# kicked
Let's say that Lennox managed to open Vitali up forcing eventual stoppage in favour of Lewis. And let's also say that Vitali gave Lewis "A thorough hiding and a boxing lesson!" ;D
