Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

Yeah because Sanders and Thompson just displayed so much more overall ability than Wladimir and Haye didn't they?

Well I'm not that convinced I'm sorry. You guys will sink to anything to lower a current HW.

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Yeah because Sanders and Thompson just displayed so much more overall ability than Wladimir and Haye didn't they?

Well I'm not that convinced I'm sorry. You guys will sink to anything to lower a current HW.

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its hard to tell how much ability wlad has coz he doesnt really box, he does something that resembles boxing sometimes, but the rest of the time its more of a hugging thing

wlad is only Heavyweight Wladimir Rules Champion

its like Ozzie Rules Football, its turned into a completely different game, you just kick the ball every now and again so i suppose you can still call it football, the big difference is you arent aloud to pick the ball up in real football as you arent allowed to hold in real boxing, the Ozzies are ok admitting its different rules tho where wlad still tries to disguise Wladimir Rules as boxing

btw i wouldnt put haye in anywhere near the same category as wlad, Haye is a boxer and a fantastic explosive exciting one at that, really rare in todays HWs, i hope he comes back, the division is a lot worse off without him

They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

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They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

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ill give you some opinions

wlad makes lots of people very rich every time he fights
wlad has a suspect chin
holding and leaning are against the rules of boxing
wlad holds and leans all the way through most of his fights
the way wlad holds and leans protects his chin
wlad makes lots of people very rich every time he fights

now i wonder why he is allowed to get away with holding and leaning all the way through the majority of his fights, hmmmmmm

oh yes its because he makes lots of people very rich every time he fights so they dont want him to lose

did i mention how much money wlad generates everytime he fights? if i didnt then just so you know wlad generates masses of money every time he fights :)

Yeah I know he generates lots of money, so tell me then why is Wlad protected only. Wasn't Lennox and Tyson protected similarly also?

I have watched Wladimir's fights and I'll give it to you that the Povetkin fight was too much but I've seen nothing else in his previous fights that I deem to be "illegal" or "cheating".

I'm sorry, I have seen what can definitely be described as boring but nothing more sinister.

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They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

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How old are you dude?

What has that got to do with anything Bo-Bo? Old enough to recognise bullshit when I hear it!

Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

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Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

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Well I can agree with a lot of that. The 90's era did set the bar very highly for the subsequent one.

I don't think the Vitali/Lewis affair takes anything from Vitali's legacy. Nobody watching the coverage of boxing at that time who was a neutral observer can fail to ascertain otherwise that Lewis was still on his game, the fight was highly controversial and Vitali retired Lewis after watching the destruction of top contender Johnson so easily.

Not that I'm taking anything away from Lewis here either, I fully accept that the fight had to be stopped in favour of Lewis but it should definitely have been a rematch. One that I don't think Lewis would have won. Neither did Lewis obviously.

Who would have won out of Vitali/Lennox at their personal best so to speak is imo an up in the air topic.

Vitali Klitschko is the easiest boxer of all to defend. He never suffered a non-controversial loss, and there were only 2 such instances anyway against Byrd and Lewis who were both champs. Unlike Lewis who lost to lesser guys without controversy and struggled with others who Vitali would have just wasted. He was never knocked down let alone out. Never lost more than 2 rounds or was behind on points in any fight, fought absolute monsters and guys with cracker records.

On top of all that he simply, without nonsense, beat the absolute living shit out of all of his opponents! And not in boring or controversial fashion like his brother either, his fights were spectacular to watch!

I can defend Lewis and Wlad equally but there is also an excellent case for Vitali Klitschko as the GOAT HW. Probably the easiest case to defend! For the time 03 to his first retirement, I don't think there was a HW in history who could have beaten him, neither Lewis or Wlad.

So now you are claiming Vitali id the greatest heavyweight of all time!

Old Lennox Lewis beat him so how do you explain that?
Vitali quit to who else before that?
Vitali moved far too slow and would be taken apart by Tyson, Bowe and even Holyfield.

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Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

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Well I can agree with a lot of that. The 90's era did set the bar very highly for the subsequent one.

I don't think the Vitali/Lewis affair takes anything from Vitali's legacy. Nobody watching the coverage of boxing at that time who was a neutral observer can fail to ascertain otherwise that Lewis was still on his game, the fight was highly controversial and Vitali retired Lewis after watching the destruction of top contender Johnson so easily.

Not that I'm taking anything away from Lewis here either, I fully accept that the fight had to be stopped in favour of Lewis but it should definitely have been a rematch. One that I don't think Lewis would have won. Neither did Lewis obviously.

Who would have won out of Vitali/Lennox at their personal best so to speak is imo an up in the air topic.

Vitali Klitschko is the easiest boxer of all to defend. He never suffered a non-controversial loss, and there were only 2 such instances anyway against Byrd and Lewis who were both champs. Unlike Lewis who lost to lesser guys without controversy and struggled with others who Vitali would have just wasted. He was never knocked down let alone out. Never lost more than 2 rounds or was behind on points in any fight, fought absolute monsters and guys with cracker records.

On top of all that he simply, without nonsense, beat the absolute living shit out of all of his opponents! And not in boring or controversial fashion like his brother either, his fights were spectacular to watch!

I can defend Lewis and Wlad equally but there is also an excellent case for Vitali Klitschko as the GOAT HW. Probably the easiest case to defend! For the time 03 to his first retirement, I don't think there was a HW in history who could have beaten him, neither Lewis or Wlad.

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Yes he was!

Against Sanders at the end of the first;)

I'm not specifically insisting that Vitali IS the GOAT at all.

I'm simply saying there is an excellent case for him and he is easy to defend. The most serious opponent to defend him against is Lewis of course.

Against Bowe, Bowe never beat anybody even remotely on Vitali's level or even fought one!

Holyfield is too small and lacking in power to get a win over Vitali who was not a slob like Bowe in their second fight.

Tyson became increasingly challenged the taller+skilled and heftier his opponents got and they don't come much more in that category than Vitali.

Wladimir was considered the faster, more agile and powerful brother but Vitali it can easily be argued was tougher and more durable and had better fighting heart.

Lewis was not that old, not that fat. at 37 which is not very old for a giant HW with his style and slightly chubby he was only 5lbs heavier than his best weight and certainly seem like, as Lewis himself was telling everyone, in great form/shape.

The main problem Lennox faced was the year inactivity but I'm sure he was sparring regularly ince he was actually due to face top contender Johnson for months prior. You can't accuse Lewis of not being properly prepared for Vitali because Vitali himself took the fight on only 2 weeks notice!

Can't make out like Lewis was a decrepit old man because he definitely was not and that was at a time when Lewis had his entire wealth of experience behind him and Vitali did not!

As for the stoppage, fair enough, but what was the likely hood of Vitali being cut like that again? Pretty much zero! It wasn't even from the power of a punch they were from edge glove blows and an elbow respectively right! Any ground made back by Lewis at all at the end of that fight was only due to Vitali's face falling off.

I'm a Lewis fan myself but I can admit that without that big piece of luck there... He was fucked that night! lol Body language said it all afterward, immense relief from Lewis, outrage from Vitali! Gasping for breath from Lewis, Hunger from Vitali. You seen the fight right? One of the greatest HW fights ever!

So no, it's not easy to dismiss V. Klitschko at all.

As for quitting against Byrd.. Shameful to be sure, I consider that a burn to his reputation but considering he could have won that fight without throwing another single punch I' give him a pass on that one.

Lewis DID retire because he knew he'd be in a sorry state the next time. Remember Rahman and McCall got him, Vitali is much more dangerous than them.

Vitali is not slow at all, where did you get that! I've never once seen Vitali out-worked, even in his LOSING fights!

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Yeah I know he generates lots of money, so tell me then why is Wlad protected only. Wasn't Lennox and Tyson protected similarly also?

I have watched Wladimir's fights and I'll give it to you that the Povetkin fight was too much but I've seen nothing else in his previous fights that I deem to be "illegal" or "cheating".

I'm sorry, I have seen what can definitely be described as boring but nothing more sinister.

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You believe Tyson and Lewis were allowed to cheat to the extent that wlad does?

And el kabong already gave us another fight that was completely full of illegal tactics that he was allowed to get away with, although that was a boxing master class apparently

And yep the is a lot more sinister, he generates millions and millions of pounds when he fights, much more than his challengers ever would, think people in charge wouldn't do what they can to keep him winning?

It's clear as day to me that is happening, in fact it's horrendously blatent

I think Holyfeild could easily out point him on his best nights i think Holyfeild at his best can win against any Heavyweight to compete. He had his ups and downs but his resume pretty damn good him beating Bowie in the rematch when he actual fought smart is better then anything Brothers have done. They are not crap fighters and there good and all but Lewis at 38 is no spring chicken and not all fighters can keep going at high ages. Let me tell you this Lewis was considering retiring before Vatili even fought him he was worth over 100 million dollars and i am pretty sure the hunger was gone which is a big deal. Anyhow like i said before there loses against the old guard and not fighting one another kinda makes the hw division a joke. Reason being the best never fought one another not blaming them but kinda takes away from you being champ when there a guy as good as you looks like you and you guys cant fight.

I love Holyfield, and I rank him right up there with the best. His most startling performance was Tyson, he had his number! Then again he never fought a prime Tyson so we don't know do we.

What I do know though is that Holyfield was not a skilled giant killer.

He was decisively beaten by Lewis 2ce I reckon and never convincingly beat Bowe in the 2nd fight either. Similarly with the brothers, Vitali would come off top against Holyfield in what would have been a tremendous battle but Vitali was better than Bowe was imo. Wladimir is just too long, fast, slick and powerful for Holyfield. I think it could possibly have contained many jabs and many hugs lol.

But Holyfield was good and had the heart. I just have many reservations about how he'd generally perform against Lewis or the brothers.

Vitali I happen to think would beat him the most decisively because he can be both strategic and rough (so could Lewis but Lewis didn't respond as well to taking a punch so much just like Wlad).

He plans to but tyson fury will knock him out

Holyfeild Clearly won the rematch with Bowie should go watch the fight by the time he fought Lewis he was 37 years old and kinda showing some where. The rematch you can say waht you want but i thought it was a draw he made it pretty good affair for his age and giving up 30 pounds as well.

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I love Holyfield, and I rank him right up there with the best. His most startling performance was Tyson, he had his number! Then again he never fought a prime Tyson so we don't know do we.

What I do know though is that Holyfield was not a skilled giant killer.

He was decisively beaten by Lewis 2ce I reckon and never convincingly beat Bowe in the 2nd fight either. Similarly with the brothers, Vitali would come off top against Holyfield in what would have been a tremendous battle but Vitali was better than Bowe was imo. Wladimir is just too long, fast, slick and powerful for Holyfield. I think it could possibly have contained many jabs and many hugs lol.

But Holyfield was good and had the heart. I just have many reservations about how he'd generally perform against Lewis or the brothers.

Vitali I happen to think would beat him the most decisively because he can be both strategic and rough (so could Lewis but Lewis didn't respond as well to taking a punch so much just like Wlad).

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No he wasnt. The first fight was a draw, most thought it wasnt. The rematch should have been Holyfields or at least a draw but because the judges felt under pressure because of the media furore over the decision in the first fight.

Out of the two fights the second was the clearest but for Holyfield.

Now he's saying that Vitali has a case for the GOAT HW. Just when I thought he couldn't get any dumber.

Lewis's resume destroys Vitali's. Lewis beat Holyfield, Tyson, Ruddock, Bruno, Morrison, Golota, Briggs, Vitali, and Tua. Hell, I think Holyfield's resume is also better than Vitali's. He beat Foreman, Tyson, Bowe, and Dokes. Even Tyson has a better resume, with wins over Holmes and Spinks.

Vitali got rocked by Corrie Sanders.

Thing is Corrie is Vatilis best win and he was not even fighting full time he was fucking golfing. The Brothers are good but lack a lot on the resume. When Bryde, Haye, and Sanders are the best you got its really hard to see how you can be ranked because those fighters are kinda meh nothing great really.

Tyson and Holyfield were outstanding names on Lewis' resume you listed but the others were of comparable quality to Vitali's own opponents.

Arreola and Morrison quite comparable for instance. You underrate Vitalis opponents.

When you see that Holyfield was shortly after beaten by Ruiz and Tyson was shortly after beaten by Williams and McBride it becomes more evident that these guys were probably not at their historical best were they.

Yeah I rate Lewis' opponents highly but I wouldn't say they were super special compared with Vitali's opponents. Vitali's performance was more flawless against his too.

I find it difficult to imagine Vitali not cleaning up against Lewis' opponents too and vice verse.

Tyson did not have anywhere near as good a resume as Vitali, get outa here! :rolleyes:

Michael Spinks! That's like saying Adamek was Vitali's best opponent.

VG, in terms of accomplishment, Vitali is nowhere near the best of all time but if we are talking about H2H matchups, Vitali has a strong case as one of the most unbeatables ever..

This is a giant who realizes his limitations and knows how to utlilize his height/reach to a tee.. HIs lean-back defense would be too difficult for anybody to penetrate except for few great SuperHWs such as Lewis and maybe Bowe on his best night.

H2H i would say Lewis is #1 followed by Vitali..

Admek was shit at Lhw who did he ever beat worth a shit really and Dawson owning was embarrassing. So please don't mention Spinks with Admek please there was a huge difference in talent. Also all you have are ifs with Vatili i mean big deal Holyfeild was 40 years of age and up for most of his loses. The one you brought up was pretty much a man who should of retired. When your still depends on speed and out put those are kinda the things to go when you get older so he was not close to same fighter.

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VG, in terms of accomplishment, Vitali is nowhere near the best of all time but if we are talking about H2H matchups, Vitali has a strong case as one of the most unbeatables ever..

This is a giant who realizes his limitations and knows how to utlilize his height/reach to a tee.. HIs lean-back defense would be too difficult for anybody to penetrate except for few great SuperHWs such as Lewis and maybe Bowe on his best night.

H2H i would say Lewis is #1 followed by Vitali..

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And I wouldn't argue there either, the case can also be flipped around quite easily for Lewis.

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Admek was shit at Lhw who did he ever beat worth a shit really and Dawson owning was embarrassing. So please don't mention Spinks with Admek please there was a huge difference in talent. Also all you have are ifs with Vatili i mean big deal Holyfeild was 40 years of age and up for most of his loses. The one you brought up was pretty much a man who should of retired. When your still depends on speed and out put those are kinda the things to go when you get older so he was not close to same fighter.

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Ok I gt this all the time when discussing Holyfield..

So where exactly WAS Holyfield's prime??

The Moorer fight was slated as heart trouble, hepatitis and what not which seemed to plague him around this time as in the 3rd bowe fight.

Just after that he was already considered "shot" by some ppl.

So that leaves his conquering of Douglas until the Bowe loss right! 7 fukin fights!

Surprisingly in that time, his established prime, he was not regarded as such a great champion as he would be. And it's a no wonder because whilst his opponents were good (aging Foreman and Holmes, Cooper etc) they were not exactly stellar opponents were they, certainly no better than anything on Vitali's resume!

And the big fight he did have against Bowe, somewhat comparable to Vitali by happenstance although imo not quite as good, he bloody lost!

Adamek is another champion boxer, don't try to lower him to the point of a poor fighter either.

I think Holyfield is a tough opponent for Vitali but I could never bring myself to BET on him in this one.

Holyfeild won the rematch with Bowie and then got sick i don't think he was shot but he was having some medical issue i think is fair to say. Rematch with Bowie which if not for fan man he most likely would of stopped him showed how good Holyfeild could be. As for you comparing Adamek to fucking Micheal Spinks is a fucking joke i am sorry dude not saying his shit but not in same breath as Spinks. At Lhw he won a strap thats it off a guy who was iced in a round by green then got his ass kicked by Dawson in very one sided fight then has a close win over Cunningham who went on get his ass kicked by new guy who might be good who knows. At hw he has been ok but who has he really beat that has any kinda if facter or was champ for a while no one. I just don't see how you can compare that to a Guy who was Champ not just a belt Holder at Lhw and Hw league apart in the skill department and there same size as well so i really don't want that to be brought up alright. Spinks beating aging Holmes is better then anything Adamek has done also not to mention how he was the best fucking Lhw of all time or close to i am just saying Spinks way better fighter.

Adamek is better than Spinks imo.

I know Spinks got Holmes 2ce but those were 2 very controversial fights in which Holmes could have been nodded and never ever was Holmes in any traumatic trouble against Spinks.

Adamek has beaten Chris Arreola, no matter what you rate him, that's one tough mean mother fucker man with good skills and a big punch and goes all night. Golota, Grant, remember them? Chambers, Cunningham, McBride and so on.. He's proven against a good array of fighters both hefty and slick and held up well, fuck he even fought Vitali and did alright considering.

Tyson showed us what Michael Spinks was really worth at HW, absolutely nothing! Spinks was to Tyson what Leapai was to Klitschko except much worse, no weigh and no chin!

One would be forced to conclude that Adamek would atleast last more rounds against Tyson than Spinks did!

You can have your chinny little Spinks, I'll take Tommy mate ;)

Well I don't think Bowe would have been knocked out, it was a close fight and that it was different to the first encounter is also a consequence of Bowe coming in fat as fuck too! As if Vitai would ever come in to fight in that state! I think Bowe proved his superiority by the end of that whole series.

Evander was very very good but as they say, a good big man will beat a good little man.

And Vitali is one of the very best big men! Adamek was like a schoolboy to Vitali who is the same size as Holyfield. I'm sure Holy would put up more of a solid fight but not for the win.

Unusually here though Mr. 140, I gotta admit that it's just my opinion, there is enough doubt for me to admit I could be wrong here.

If I learned anything from Holyfield it is that you can never count him out of any fight.

Adamek better than Spinks? You got to be kidding me.

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Adamek is better than Spinks imo.

I know Spinks got Holmes 2ce but those were 2 very controversial fights in which Holmes could have been nodded and never ever was Holmes in any traumatic trouble against Spinks.

Adamek has beaten Chris Arreola, no matter what you rate him, that's one tough mean mother fucker man with good skills and a big punch and goes all night. Golota, Grant, remember them? Chambers, Cunningham, McBride and so on.. He's proven against a good array of fighters both hefty and slick and held up well, fuck he even fought Vitali and did alright considering.

Tyson showed us what Michael Spinks was really worth at HW, absolutely nothing! Spinks was to Tyson what Leapai was to Klitschko except much worse, no weigh and no chin!

One would be forced to conclude that Adamek would atleast last more rounds against Tyson than Spinks did!

You can have your chinny little Spinks, I'll take Tommy mate ;)

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Larry Holmes would box Arreolas fucking ears off!

Spinks was better than Adamek, he just happened to fight one the greatest ever physical phenoms that boxing has ever seen. Tyson did, what a heavyweight like him is supposed to do with an ex light heavy.

Chambers and Cunningham at heavy for Adamek? Both a robberies:rolleyes:

The list of names you mentioned to prove Adamek at heavy is a joke. Its pretty much the same as Hayes shit run at heavy (bar Chisora).

Old never was names.

Adamek would go the same way against Tyson.

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At HW it seems so.

Why don't you take a trip down memory lane a review the whole Tyson vs Spinks fight. That guy was not fit to be in the same ring as a modern HW as evidence by the ridiculous ease with which Tyson eliminated him.

Adamek would have been a much more durable opponent for Tyson, atleast he can sustain verticality for more than a fraction of a round!

I honestly think if Holyfeild would of boxed more like he did in the second fight he would of won he really did not fight smart verse Bowie. He thought he could just out hustle the man and try to trade which was not the smartest of moves. Spinks at Lhw i am pretty sure could take Adamek at Heavyweight i am not sure really some of your names you brought up there best days were behind them others were counters or gate keepers. Tyson was the only man to ever put Spinks on the mate his whole career and i don't think Tyson Knocking you out makes you chiny really he could do the same to Adamek or anyone really. Spinks was a far greater fighter and Holmes fights were pretty close. Seen both men and from what i have seen the skill is way different and accomplishments at the weights its fair to say that Spinks is way ahead in both departments. All we can do is analyze i guess but i pretty confident in my opinion on it which is all this really is i guess. I do not think it is really crazy to think Spinks was a better fighter at hw kinda up in the air like you said but Holmes did very well in all eras he was in and Spinks gave him a hell of a fight.

Well it's another hazy opinion of mine too actually, one I would surely back Tomasz, I think he beat the better opponents all round, the Holmes victories were the really shining HW achievements for Spinks. I suppose I can envision them having a close fight too, if Spinks could take Adamek I can't see it being an easy night for him.

Spinks was slick I'll give you that.

I think Holyfield did what he could against Bowe, Bowe was pretty awesome man, he just had the tools to get the job done with Holyfield. There was no blueprint he could follow, like for Tyson that could allow him to "work Bowe out".

Of course we still know that Holyfield CAN beat Bowe atleast because he in fact did and nobody cn take that away from him. So I guess it's not out of the question he could do the same to Vitali either.

Since when did you start being the voice of reason! :confused:

Look through my post when did i ever say the brothers could not compete in any era. I just said there comp was not that great and the 90's era was just better really that is all. I stick up for Ali because he managed to win against the odds a lot also for Holmes and Foreman because those old fuckers came back in there 40's in a stacked divsion one became champ the other i felt was robbed against McCall and shout of had a belt to also made Mercer who was wrecking people look like he never boxed before. Thing is you kinda one sided on a lot of things which i can see because the brothers get shit on so i don't think your total wrong but think you kinda pump up this era like others down play it. As for Holyfeild my favorite fighter of all time never knew with him his heart it pretty much makes old timers look like pussies even with ross tinted glasses.

Sometime, just sometimes, I might potentially inflate the case just a little bit...

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At HW it seems so.

Why don't you take a trip down memory lane a review the whole Tyson vs Spinks fight. That guy was not fit to be in the same ring as a modern HW as evidence by the ridiculous ease with which Tyson eliminated him.

Adamek would have been a much more durable opponent for Tyson, atleast he can sustain verticality for more than a fraction of a round!

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What was Spinks very first fight at heavyweight? What was his second fight at heavyweight?

Exactly dick brain.....

Yeah 2 wins against a great fighter, that really is special, takes on a very strong but dummy fighter next, then a completely embarrassing massacre from another great HW.

Problem is, Cooney was not a mover.

Holmes was not a puncher.

Spinks is probably about as good as Cunningham in my estimation.

Tyson, he was a mover AND a puncher, not a common combination before Tyson but very common afterwards.

Take Adamek's best win at HW, Chris Arreola, not as fast as a prime Homes obviously but still very fast for a 240lber! Plus rangier and with savage KO power.

Can you see Michael Spinks flipping around the ring all night withstanding Chris? I can't. He did not have the chin for that I don't reckon.

At the end of the day, Spinks virtually tied Holmes on points but didn't really hurt him.

Google Michael Spinks and then google Tomasz Adamek as well, I hate to break out strength and stuff like that again but it's a relevant side issue here. Most non-boxing people would look at both and dismiss Spinks of having much chance. Adamek is a good fighter man. Not saying Spinks was not either!

Changing the subject back to something remotely in tune with the thread and avoiding this stalemate we've approached...

Interesting article Freedom included on Heavyweight fight schedule.. "Before you go knocking Klitschko-Leapai" or something or other. Worth a careful read that one!!

There is no stalemate, Spinks would have out boxed Arreleo. Did you see how fast his combinations were against Cooney? Same punches against Chris would embarrass him.