Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[Max Power]

They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

[erics44]

They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

ill give you some opinions

wlad makes lots of people very rich every time he fights
wlad has a suspect chin
holding and leaning are against the rules of boxing
wlad holds and leans all the way through most of his fights
the way wlad holds and leans protects his chin
wlad makes lots of people very rich every time he fights

now i wonder why he is allowed to get away with holding and leaning all the way through the majority of his fights, hmmmmmm

oh yes its because he makes lots of people very rich every time he fights so they dont want him to lose

did i mention how much money wlad generates everytime he fights? if i didnt then just so you know wlad generates masses of money every time he fights

[Max Power]

Yeah I know he generates lots of money, so tell me then why is Wlad protected only. Wasn't Lennox and Tyson protected similarly also?

I have watched Wladimir's fights and I'll give it to you that the Povetkin fight was too much but I've seen nothing else in his previous fights that I deem to be "illegal" or "cheating".

I'm sorry, I have seen what can definitely be described as boring but nothing more sinister.

[erics44]

Yeah I know he generates lots of money, so tell me then why is Wlad protected only. Wasn't Lennox and Tyson protected similarly also?

I have watched Wladimir's fights and I'll give it to you that the Povetkin fight was too much but I've seen nothing else in his previous fights that I deem to be "illegal" or "cheating".

I'm sorry, I have seen what can definitely be described as boring but nothing more sinister.

You believe Tyson and Lewis were allowed to cheat to the extent that wlad does?

And el kabong already gave us another fight that was completely full of illegal tactics that he was allowed to get away with, although that was a boxing master class apparently

And yep the is a lot more sinister, he generates millions and millions of pounds when he fights, much more than his challengers ever would, think people in charge wouldn't do what they can to keep him winning?

It's clear as day to me that is happening, in fact it's horrendously blatent

[Bo-Bo24]

They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

How old are you dude?

[Max Power]

What has that got to do with anything Bo-Bo? Old enough to recognise bullshit when I hear it!

[Mr140]

Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

[Max Power]

Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

Well I can agree with a lot of that. The 90's era did set the bar very highly for the subsequent one.

I don't think the Vitali/Lewis affair takes anything from Vitali's legacy. Nobody watching the coverage of boxing at that time who was a neutral observer can fail to ascertain otherwise that Lewis was still on his game, the fight was highly controversial and Vitali retired Lewis after watching the destruction of top contender Johnson so easily.

Not that I'm taking anything away from Lewis here either, I fully accept that the fight had to be stopped in favour of Lewis but it should definitely have been a rematch. One that I don't think Lewis would have won. Neither did Lewis obviously.

Who would have won out of Vitali/Lennox at their personal best so to speak is imo an up in the air topic.

Vitali Klitschko is the easiest boxer of all to defend. He never suffered a non-controversial loss, and there were only 2 such instances anyway against Byrd and Lewis who were both champs. Unlike Lewis who lost to lesser guys without controversy and struggled with others who Vitali would have just wasted. He was never knocked down let alone out. Never lost more than 2 rounds or was behind on points in any fight, fought absolute monsters and guys with cracker records.

On top of all that he simply, without nonsense, beat the absolute living shit out of all of his opponents! And not in boring or controversial fashion like his brother either, his fights were spectacular to watch!

I can defend Lewis and Wlad equally but there is also an excellent case for Vitali Klitschko as the GOAT HW. Probably the easiest case to defend! For the time 03 to his first retirement, I don't think there was a HW in history who could have beaten him, neither Lewis or Wlad.

[Master]

So now you are claiming Vitali id the greatest heavyweight of all time!

Old Lennox Lewis beat him so how do you explain that?
Vitali quit to who else before that?
Vitali moved far too slow and would be taken apart by Tyson, Bowe and even Holyfield.

[Max Power]

I'm not specifically insisting that Vitali IS the GOAT at all.

I'm simply saying there is an excellent case for him and he is easy to defend. The most serious opponent to defend him against is Lewis of course.

Against Bowe, Bowe never beat anybody even remotely on Vitali's level or even fought one!

Holyfield is too small and lacking in power to get a win over Vitali who was not a slob like Bowe in their second fight.

Tyson became increasingly challenged the taller+skilled and heftier his opponents got and they don't come much more in that category than Vitali.

Wladimir was considered the faster, more agile and powerful brother but Vitali it can easily be argued was tougher and more durable and had better fighting heart.

Lewis was not that old, not that fat. at 37 which is not very old for a giant HW with his style and slightly chubby he was only 5lbs heavier than his best weight and certainly seem like, as Lewis himself was telling everyone, in great form/shape.

The main problem Lennox faced was the year inactivity but I'm sure he was sparring regularly ince he was actually due to face top contender Johnson for months prior. You can't accuse Lewis of not being properly prepared for Vitali because Vitali himself took the fight on only 2 weeks notice!

Can't make out like Lewis was a decrepit old man because he definitely was not and that was at a time when Lewis had his entire wealth of experience behind him and Vitali did not!

As for the stoppage, fair enough, but what was the likely hood of Vitali being cut like that again? Pretty much zero! It wasn't even from the power of a punch they were from edge glove blows and an elbow respectively right! Any ground made back by Lewis at all at the end of that fight was only due to Vitali's face falling off.

I'm a Lewis fan myself but I can admit that without that big piece of luck there... He was fucked that night! lol Body language said it all afterward, immense relief from Lewis, outrage from Vitali! Gasping for breath from Lewis, Hunger from Vitali. You seen the fight right? One of the greatest HW fights ever!

So no, it's not easy to dismiss V. Klitschko at all.

As for quitting against Byrd.. Shameful to be sure, I consider that a burn to his reputation but considering he could have won that fight without throwing another single punch I' give him a pass on that one.

Lewis DID retire because he knew he'd be in a sorry state the next time. Remember Rahman and McCall got him, Vitali is much more dangerous than them.

Vitali is not slow at all, where did you get that! I've never once seen Vitali out-worked, even in his LOSING fights!

[ross]

Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

Well I can agree with a lot of that. The 90's era did set the bar very highly for the subsequent one.

I don't think the Vitali/Lewis affair takes anything from Vitali's legacy. Nobody watching the coverage of boxing at that time who was a neutral observer can fail to ascertain otherwise that Lewis was still on his game, the fight was highly controversial and Vitali retired Lewis after watching the destruction of top contender Johnson so easily.

Not that I'm taking anything away from Lewis here either, I fully accept that the fight had to be stopped in favour of Lewis but it should definitely have been a rematch. One that I don't think Lewis would have won. Neither did Lewis obviously.

Who would have won out of Vitali/Lennox at their personal best so to speak is imo an up in the air topic.

Vitali Klitschko is the easiest boxer of all to defend. He never suffered a non-controversial loss, and there were only 2 such instances anyway against Byrd and Lewis who were both champs. Unlike Lewis who lost to lesser guys without controversy and struggled with others who Vitali would have just wasted. He was never knocked down let alone out. Never lost more than 2 rounds or was behind on points in any fight, fought absolute monsters and guys with cracker records.

On top of all that he simply, without nonsense, beat the absolute living shit out of all of his opponents! And not in boring or controversial fashion like his brother either, his fights were spectacular to watch!

I can defend Lewis and Wlad equally but there is also an excellent case for Vitali Klitschko as the GOAT HW. Probably the easiest case to defend! For the time 03 to his first retirement, I don't think there was a HW in history who could have beaten him, neither Lewis or Wlad.

Yes he was!

Against Sanders at the end of the first