Looking for the roots of terrorism

1 thing that just chaps my ass about this whole thing is "-Phobia"...."xenophobia", "Islamaphobia" .......the suffix "-phobia" denotes FEAR OF. No no no no, I'm not "fearful" or "afraid" of Muslims, nor am I "fearful" or "afraid" of people with different customs or people from different countries, I'm an American and I am accepting to all people provided they show respect for what has been established here in America. The people who use the term "Islamaphobia" want to not only paint their opponents as bigots but they want to humiliate them and put them on the defensive by using that kind of language which I am certain effete liberals like Noam Chomsky are 100% supportive of.

I'm pragmatic in my assessment, no not 100% of terrorists in the history of the world are Muslim, but right now what we are dealing with is a hardline Muslim ideology which wishes to wipe the 1 Jewish state and her allies off the map and establish a Caliphate (which they've already achieved in part). This is not done in the name of Christianity, it is not done in the name of Judaism, it is not done in the name of Hinduism, Zen Buddhism, or Zoaranastrianism, it is done by Sunni Muslims who are Arabic in ethnicity and they are unhappy for several reasons....that said, nobody asked "Why do the Nazi's fight" we just addressed the enemy, and fought them right back.

People want to be PC about war ever since Vietnam "Let's understand the enemy"...no FUCK the enemy, kill them! The news is skewed and ridiculous, those talking heads seem more worried about the enemy than our brave men and women fighting over there, "The death totals for the enemy are so high" :rolleyes: GOOD all the better for us to have low casualties then. War is not won with pats on the back and buying the enemy an ice cream sundae...war is won by taking land, finding and killing the enemy, and protecting those who support you, to see war as anything other than that is a failure of logic. War is Hell, but war is also simple....you kill more of their guys than they kill of ours, you take and control more land than they do, you punish those who aide and collaborate with the enemy and you put the boot down hard until they give up...that is how wars are won from the dawn of time to now!

The video I posted isn't meant to be representative of all muslims.

If a room full of hundreds of young "normal" people can believe in such a disgusting, barbaric, medieval form of justice, for things that are completely and utterly harmless, then it's hardly surprising that some take it a step further and start killing people. Brainwashed because of Islam.

Now seriously, it's the culture, the culture a person is brought up in. Culture has a very strong influence on people's lives, even more so than religion per se. Culture can make a seemigly perfect gentleman act like a total beast in certain situations. Influence of culture on a person's life is so pervasive that it can mold his character in a way that nothing else can. Remember, Japanese used to be suicide bombers, but now they are totally different people because they no longer live in their old culture that glorified violence...

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The video I posted isn't meant to be representative of all muslims.

If a room full of hundreds of young "normal" people can believe in such a disgusting, barbaric, medieval form of justice, for things that are completely and utterly harmless, then it's hardly surprising that some take it a step further and start killing people. Brainwashed because of Islam.

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This is true but it's down to the fact that the mosques and the imans in Norway and probably most of the mosques and imans in the countries those people originally came from are funded by Saudi or other Gulf money that funds this medieval fundamentalist strain of Islam.

And we don't do anything about it. Look at the orgy of arse kissing that we had after the Saudi king died on Friday. I was surprised to read that Abdullah was a force for moderation and peace. And we've just agreed to give a World Cup to Qatar and are kisssing their arses, ignoring that they're building their stadiums with slave labour and the Qatari royal family are funding various Islamic terrorist groups.

If we'd found a clean cheap source of energy a decade ago and had managed to turn over the world's transport fleet to the new fuel and also replaced domestic and industrial power sources that used to run on oil then we'd now be putting these fuckers under sanctions, arresting their royal families if they set foot outside their countries and funding moderate imans to replace all the fundamentalist nutters currently teaching in mosques. We'd also be not giving a fuck about interfering in the Middle East. No Iraq wars, no drone attacks, no military bases, no propping up dictatorships. And the Middle East would be happily fighting amongst themselves à la Syria and not giving a fuck about us. Unfortunately this is not the case.

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Originally Posted by pacfan

Culture has a very strong influence on people's lives, even more so than religion per se.

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This is dead right. It's a regional thing rather than a religion thing. Look at the way women are treated in India, the attitude to rape, domestic violence, honour killings, acid attacks and so on. Basically a big chunk of the world are backwards fucking savages towards women and anybody not from their group or tribe. Religion is just another thing they use to differentiate and justify their actions but not even the main one in most cases (not recently though in Muslim countries).

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by pacfan

Culture has a very strong influence on people's lives, even more so than religion per se.

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This is dead right. It's a regional thing rather than a religion thing. Look at the way women are treated in India, the attitude to rape, domestic violence, honour killings, acid attacks and so on. Basically a big chunk of the world are backwards fucking savages towards women and anybody not from their group or tribe. Religion is just another thing they use to differentiate and justify their actions but not even the main one in most cases (not recently though in Muslim countries).

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Islam is but a means to normalize such practices. India IS a "Muslim country", there are over 180 Million Muslims in India.

That's out of over a billion people though.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

That's out of over a billion people though.

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10.9% of all the Muslims in the world live in India placing it right behind Indonesia which is home to 12.7% of the entire population of Muslims

Most of Turkey practises Islam.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

That's out of over a billion people though.

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10.9% of all the Muslims in the world live in India placing it right behind Indonesia which is home to 12.7% of the entire population of Muslims

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Yeah but you have to look at it in context, in reality only 12-14% of India is Muslim, wouldn't really classify that was a majority, that's roughly the same percentage of America that is black.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Yeah but you have to look at it in context, in reality only 12-14% of India is Muslim, wouldn't really classify that was a majority, that's roughly the same percentage of America that is black.

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I believe you said "That's out of over a billion people" so again...low percentage total (14.6%) but still a shit ton of people

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Yeah but you have to look at it in context, in reality only 12-14% of India is Muslim, wouldn't really classify that was a majority, that's roughly the same percentage of America that is black.

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I believe you said "That's out of over a billion people" so again...low percentage total (14.6%) but still a shit ton of people

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Yeah but when you say India is an Islamic (or a Christian country, or a "insert group here") country, that implies that the group in question is a majority or has significant power. 100 million Muslims is a lot, but not compared to over 800 million Hindus. It also has around 25 million Christians. Lot of people, but just a drop in the bucket in India.

Here in canada we have only 22 million Christians... but that's out of 32 million people haha.

Alright I'll amend this...PARTS of the subcontinent are Muslim

Hyderabad has the most Muslims in India.
India officially has 1,050,000,000 Hindus out of 1,380,000,000 people (2014 Bharatiya Janata census). Hindus make up
76.016% of the population.

So India is actually an overwhelmingly Hindu country and Pakistan with over 94% of it's population professing to be Muslim is a Muslim country.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

India officially has 1,050,000,000 Hindus

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That's a lot of Hindus.

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Its all so confusing. Wahabi sects are certainly dodgy Wasabi sex is good too.

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Wasabi sex ? Horseradish on your bellend does not seem like a great recipe for the food of love :o

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Hot sex is from devil,proof is the reverse which is cold fish make for a better religious union. That was union not onion.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl...-ts=1422411861

Islam claims to be the last and final revelation. It claims that any challenge to this is profane. It is a totalitarian concept but not the first. Muhammad is not the first man to have claims of perfection attributed to him and the Koran is not the first Holy book of which it is claimed, that it is the ineffable and perfect word of God. Most Christians and most Jews do not still believe that the Bible, or Torah, or Tanakh, is beyond questioning or interpretation. It has taken a while to come to that conclusion.

Islam means submission to God, not peace. Submission.

Many Christians and Jews have little problem aligning their belief and Scientific theories and concepts, such as Evolution and the right to practice any or no religion. This has not always been the case. The links between Judaism,Christianity, war,torture and slavery are long and bloody, but they have been irrevocably changed after two world wars in which many, if not most, combatants and victims were Christian or Jewish. (Of course they included others)

There is therefore a gulf between Islam and everyone else in the west.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Its all so confusing. Wahabi sects are certainly dodgy Wasabi sex is good too.

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Wasabi sex ? Horseradish on your bellend does not seem like a great recipe for the food of love :o

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Hot sex is from devil,proof is the reverse which is cold fish make for a better religious union. That was union not onion.

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Bwahaha nice lil' sequence here @Greenbeanz @Andre --- Wahabi, wasabi, horse radish, horse cock (bellend), food of love, cold fish, onions! BWahabi!

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Islam claims to be the last and final revelation. It claims that any challenge to this is profane. It is a totalitarian concept but not the first. Muhammad is not the first man to have claims of perfection attributed to him and the Koran is not the first Holy book of which it is claimed, that it is the ineffable and perfect word of God. Most Christians and most Jews do not still believe that the Bible, or Torah, or Tanakh, is beyond questioning or interpretation. It has taken a while to come to that conclusion.

Islam means submission to God, not peace. Submission.

Many Christians and Jews have little problem aligning their belief and Scientific theories and concepts, such as Evolution and the right to practice any or no religion. This has not always been the case. The links between Judaism,Christianity, war,torture and slavery are long and bloody, but they have been irrevocably changed after two world wars in which many, if not most, combatants and victims were Christian or Jewish. (Of course they included others)

There is therefore a gulf between Islam and everyone else in the west.

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Also a decent gulf between their thought processes and modern mans.

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Originally Posted by pacfan

Culture has a very strong influence on people's lives, even more so than religion per se.

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This is dead right. It's a regional thing rather than a religion thing. Look at the way women are treated in India, the attitude to rape, domestic violence, honour killings, acid attacks and so on. Basically a big chunk of the world are backwards fucking savages towards women and anybody not from their group or tribe. Religion is just another thing they use to differentiate and justify their actions but not even the main one in most cases (not recently though in Muslim countries).

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Islam is but a means to normalize such practices. India IS a "Muslim country", there are over 180 Million Muslims in India.

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There are also 800 million Hindus and gang rapes, acid attacks, honour killings and so on are all popular pastimes in the Hindu population and honour killings are backed by a lot of Hindu politicians.

Islam surely does not have a monopoly on bad ideas and archaic customs.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Islam surely does not have a monopoly on bad ideas and archaic customs.

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....it ain't for lack of trying though

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by pacfan

Culture has a very strong influence on people's lives, even more so than religion per se.

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This is dead right. It's a regional thing rather than a religion thing. Look at the way women are treated in India, the attitude to rape, domestic violence, honour killings, acid attacks and so on. Basically a big chunk of the world are backwards fucking savages towards women and anybody not from their group or tribe. Religion is just another thing they use to differentiate and justify their actions but not even the main one in most cases (not recently though in Muslim countries).

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Islam is but a means to normalize such practices. India IS a "Muslim country", there are over 180 Million Muslims in India.

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There are also 800 million Hindus and gang rapes, acid attacks, honour killings and so on are all popular pastimes in the Hindu population and honour killings are backed by a lot of Hindu politicians.

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Yeah both cultures suppress their females and stand over them while their 'just religions' stand idle about it.

There are terrorist Hindu groups as well who have perpetrated tons of attack in India against minorities. Hell, even the Buddhists have the Bodu Bala Sena. I don't think there exists a true religion of peace because humans aren't peaceful by nature. We want to conquer and conquest and spill the blood of those who believe in a different imaginary man in the sky.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

There are terrorist Hindu groups as well who have perpetrated tons of attack in India against minorities. Hell, even the Buddhists have the Bodu Bala Sena. I don't think there exists a true religion of peace because humans aren't peaceful by nature. We want to conquer and conquest and spill the blood of those who believe in a different imaginary man in the sky.

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Humans can also show love, peace and compassion.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

There are terrorist Hindu groups as well who have perpetrated tons of attack in India against minorities. Hell, even the Buddhists have the Bodu Bala Sena. I don't think there exists a true religion of peace because humans aren't peaceful by nature. We want to conquer and conquest and spill the blood of those who believe in a different imaginary man in the sky.

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Humans can also show love, peace and compassion.

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Of course, nothing is 100% either way. The guys who committed the Paris attacks I'm sure had loved ones and showed compassion to people just like anyone else. But at the end of the day human history is littered with war, conflict and turmoil. We love violence. We're posting on a forum dedicated to a sport where two guys go into a ring and try to give each other a brain injury. We love violence.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

There are terrorist Hindu groups as well who have perpetrated tons of attack in India against minorities. Hell, even the Buddhists have the Bodu Bala Sena. I don't think there exists a true religion of peace because humans aren't peaceful by nature. We want to conquer and conquest and spill the blood of those who believe in a different imaginary man in the sky.

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Humans can also show love, peace and compassion.

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Of course, nothing is 100% either way. The guys who committed the Paris attacks I'm sure had loved ones and showed compassion to people just like anyone else. But at the end of the day human history is littered with war, conflict and turmoil. We love violence. We're posting on a forum dedicated to a sport where two guys go into a ring and try to give each other a brain injury. We love violence.

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Boxing is skill and entertainment. We are capable of violence but also kindness.

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxing is skill and entertainment.

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It's entertaining because it's violent. A guy like Rigo or Floyd wins a fight on skill with minimal violence and people hate it. ;D

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxing is skill and entertainment.

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It's entertaining because it's violent. A guy like Rigo or Floyd wins a fight on skill with minimal violence and people hate it. ;D

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Everyone hates Floyd because he is a cunt, people do not appreciate Rigo because he is too good.

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Originally Posted by Master

We are capable of violence but also kindness.

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Could be the motto of the United States Armed Forces....but everyone likes to paint us as the murderers, the bad guys....they forget who gets called when there are lives to save after natural disasters.....oh but we evil Americans probably cause those.....cause we're evil and that's why we did the Marshall Plan.

Few days back, our police 'special action force' team went into a covert operation deep inside a muslim territory in the middle of the night to get a wanted international terrorist. They got him but on the way back, they were ambushed and in 10hrs fight, most of them were, over 40 of them, were killed... What's odd is that here in the Philippines, they are not abused, but on the contrary, they are the ones acts as if they're the boss wherever they are. Most pinoys are kinda afraid of them coz they are known for their hot-headedness, easily provoked...