Abraham is terrible. He needs to pinch himself when he retires and thank his lucky stars that he made a living in this sport.
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Abraham is terrible. He needs to pinch himself when he retires and thank his lucky stars that he made a living in this sport.
Impressive performance from Ramirez so far
Abraham trying to shake his arms out since the first, constantly! Ramrirez turning him in circles over 4 rnds. Punching when he leaves and punching when he sets
2-3 outside Germany, 2-4 coming. It's clear why he made money.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Better round Abraham but not enough. Top notch poise and body work by Ramirez who must have a twin brother.
Abraham is like a bottomless pit, what incredible range;D
9-0 so far. Honestly could think of Ramirez 100 times prior to tonight and never imagine him boxing this well. Abraham just going along largely
Abraham corner saying 'you must go in' for the last 5 rounds. Maybe he'll get it right final round :-X.
11-1 Ramirez. Fuckin A. Kid just grew up vs old dog! Impressive
Duran looks damn good
Well..at least Teddy didn't have Tim walk out dressed like a fireman
Scratch n sniff fight, no clear lead. Tim has the odd look of a guy being caught one and dropped suddenly, trying to stay on toes reverse here. Not bad action at all. You guys are boring man ;D
"Freddie Atlas" ..Roy has outdone himself
Hey boys, I'm trying to fend off the spins watching this;D commentary is heavy PAcquio, this is a hard fight to score so far. I really like Teddy Atlas in the corner, come to think. Rooting for Bradley for some reason.
Kellerman trying to sell Bradley hard ffs ;D. Tim did well to recover from kd though. Manny clipping him UGLY woahhh
Simply painting a canvas on Bradley. Manny takes a lot of shat sometimes but on top of game here. Tim looks to have resigned himself
Well that kinda sucks i thought maybe Bradley could put it together but manny won it. I will say this though people saying he was shot was wrong and if he were to fight mayweather again he still get out boxed badly. I not sure of Canelo fight thats a lot more weight to deal with.
Sounds like he did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Give him a chance to humiliate Canelo like he did Oscar all those years ago.
Although it would be a bit comical if Canelo follows up Khan with Pacquiao, given his size, I think the latter is quite an interesting fight and I am all for it.
Congrats to Pacquiao. Bradley is one of the better welterweights so this is a good win.
I agree. I came in midway through the fight but from what I saw, i think with the right game plan, bradley still has the potential to take thurman, broner, outwork garcia, might be hard to keep porter off of him stylewise, brook would be an interesting fight.. A few options for Tim still, I think((ignoring the stupid matchmaking red tape bs of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I gave in and watched the fight (streamed it. Definitely wouldn't order it). Pac did way better than I thought he would and Bradley just seemed like he lost interest or something. Pac seems to still have something left in the tank. I really hope he will fight Crawford.
Had no idea how the fight would turn out but I was pretty sure that Brad would be less defensive. He overdid it in the last fight, bobbing and weaving just too much, twisting his legs in the process and injuring himself). Obviously, his diminished defense did him in today. But a pretty well-balanced fighter nevertheless.
Disappointed for Bradley, but credit to Pac , he had a lot more left than I thought he did. Perhaps it puts the difference between Floyd and everyone else into perspective.
I still think Bradley has at least a 50-50 chance against any of the top WW's , dunno what will happen with Pac.
It's wasn't a convincing retirement speech , I hope he doesn't fight Canelo, they should make Canelo fight guys his own size, it's getting ridiculous really. If he fights Crawford, he could grow old overnight, and please , please, no Floyd/Pac 2.
Probably best all round if he did retire.
Ok I'll stick my head out on the chopping block. That fight was extremely odd to watch. I thought it was fitting in the post fight interview that Bradley said he didn't remember any of it. There was something terribly wrong with the entire look of the fight. It almost looked rehearsed and the constant chatter of Sheridan and crew saying how good a friends they were outside the ring didn't help matters. Bradley seemed to be taking part in this swan song. He looked like he was holding back the entire fight. Looked a bit of a sham to be honest.
Bradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Bradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
Bradley is not a great welterweight, what good fighter has he beaten at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by impBradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
Interesting question since you say Thurman is a better welterweight. Are you using double standards intentionally or accidentally?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not a great welterweight, what good fighter has he beaten at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by impBradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
Thurman is still new to the scene than Bradley and I think beaten better fighters than Tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonInteresting question since you say Thurman is a better welterweight. Are you using double standards intentionally or accidentally?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not a great welterweight, what good fighter has he beaten at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by impBradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
Pacquiao! Whether you like it or not. What about the rest of them? "Thurman is new to the scene" really? He's been a pro 9 years, been a "World Champion" 3 years, and he's 27 years old. Bradley has only been a WW a year longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not a great welterweight, what good fighter has he beaten at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by impBradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
And don't start me on Brook and Garcia!
are you joking? Or are you saying only at welterweight? And even then, are you joking? Marquez is better than every fighter Thurman has beaten by a WIDE margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThurman is still new to the scene than Bradley and I think beaten better fighters than Tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonInteresting question since you say Thurman is a better welterweight. Are you using double standards intentionally or accidentally?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not a great welterweight, what good fighter has he beaten at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by impBradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
I am not joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swansonare you joking? Or are you saying only at welterweight? And even then, are you joking? Marquez is better than every fighter Thurman has beaten by a WIDE margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThurman is still new to the scene than Bradley and I think beaten better fighters than Tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonInteresting question since you say Thurman is a better welterweight. Are you using double standards intentionally or accidentally?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not a great welterweight, what good fighter has he beaten at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by impBradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
I mean at welterweight.
JMM is not a real welterweight and is even worse than Bradley.
That's a bit of a dopey argument. Marquez may not be a natural WW, but he's still better at the weight than anyone Brook or Thurman has beat and probably them too at the time, considering he was top 4 or 5 p4p.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am not joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swansonare you joking? Or are you saying only at welterweight? And even then, are you joking? Marquez is better than every fighter Thurman has beaten by a WIDE margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThurman is still new to the scene than Bradley and I think beaten better fighters than Tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonInteresting question since you say Thurman is a better welterweight. Are you using double standards intentionally or accidentally?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not a great welterweight, what good fighter has he beaten at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by impBradley would beat porter and thurman and probably garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBradley is not that good, he is not good as you make out. Proper welterweights like Thurman and Brooks would steam him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley is content staying on the Top Rank merry go round and will not venture out of that because he is not that great anyway.
Pac done the job x3 times against one of thr best at 147 in the world.
Pac is still strong and can easily have a few more fights as he is still on another level to everyone apart from floyd.
I mean at welterweight.
JMM is not a real welterweight and is even worse than Bradley.
So, if Khan beats Canelo (God forbid), does that mean it doesn't count because he's not that weight?
JMM is not a good welterweight. Fact which is why Brooks crew wanted to fight him. Easy fight and big name.
So you say it's who you beat that determines if you are good but Bradley beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has beaten but it doesn't count because Marquez isn't a good welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But again Marquez beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has fought by beating Pacquiao.
Are you going to say that doesn't count either? How many better fighters do we need to list before who they actually beat matters? How much do you allow yourself to pick and choose what counts FFS?
Look at what really happened against Manny. JMM was getting battered and landed the shot of a life time. What else has JMM done at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo you say it's who you beat that determines if you are good but Bradley beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has beaten but it doesn't count because Marquez isn't a good welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But again Marquez beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has fought by beating Pacquiao.
Are you going to say that doesn't count either? How many better fighters do we need to list before who they actually beat matters? How much do you allow yourself to pick and choose what counts FFS?
Thurman beats Bradley and JMM. Both were great fighters at the lower weights but are not legitimate welterweights.
Give it a rest.
I think Bradley's chin is cracked and it's been a long time coming. You could see it after being wobbled initially by Manny and his mentality was tame and the way he was backing on toes awkwardly. I expected him to be dropped off a single shot ala the Holt knockdown. I don't think he'd fair well with a Thurman or a Porter at this point.
Give it a rest? You keep making excuses to avoid the facts and I should give it a rest?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterLook at what really happened against Manny. JMM was getting battered and landed the shot of a life time. What else has JMM done at the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo you say it's who you beat that determines if you are good but Bradley beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has beaten but it doesn't count because Marquez isn't a good welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But again Marquez beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has fought by beating Pacquiao.
Are you going to say that doesn't count either? How many better fighters do we need to list before who they actually beat matters? How much do you allow yourself to pick and choose what counts FFS?
Thurman beats Bradley and JMM. Both were great fighters at the lower weights but are not legitimate welterweights.
Give it a rest.
Was Manny knocked the fuck out or not? Are you going to lower this conversation to lucky punch ignorance?
If you want to say Thurman is better because he is a bigger younger man and it's his time that point has potential. But you are trying to use beating better fighters as the standard and then outright dismissal of the truth.
Just say "what I said didn't make sense" we will all understand because it happens to all of us sometimes.
Yeah, NOW he is. He's virtually retired with dodgy knees and over 40. The fact that a Brook or Thurman would look for him as an opponent tells us more about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I like Brook, gone off Thurman a bit, but these fuckers need to fight somebody relevant. They want to be called the best without actually going out and fighting anyone.
Something you could never ever label Bradley with.
Obviously Thurman is a better welterweight because he is bigger, younger and better. He will not acieive the heights the legend like JMM has achieved.
JMM knew he won a lucky fight and could not do anymore in his career or the weight as he is too old and small.
I scored it 8-4 rounds 116-112 -2 knockdown 116-110.
Both were very respectful of each other's skill set. Hence neither tried to go for the kill.
The 8th round was probably the best of the night. I gave it to Bradley.
By 12th round Tim's body language seemed to tell the story. I think he feared getting ktfod if he would've given all he had. He didn't.
Overall I'd say grade wise the fight was a B-.
Decent fight. Glad I didn't pay for it.