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Oh, another new song released a couple of days too Walrus. So that is two new songs. Yes, I think a new album is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
We owe Blood on the tracks to a divorce that really did a number on Dylan but served his fans well. I think idiot wind may be my favorite song on that album. I took my wife to see Dylan, she couldn’t understand a word he sung but she was blown away by the music. He just released that song about Kennedy’s shooting I have a feeling we may get another tour if the wuhan tang calms down or at least another album. Or cd or digital release whatever we do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have about 15 Dylan albums, so I wouldn't say I don't like him. I think he has about 10 albums up there with any others. My wife doesn't like him, but I do. I just think he made his share of albums I am not into during the 1970's and 1980's. Blood on the Tracks was splendid though. The 60'and mid 90's on were sublime. I suppose Dylan is more an aquired taste for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI loved Lou reed. That album I think it was magic and loss where he was writing about seeing his friend die of cancer was just an emotional album. Velvet underground, good stuff. IMO nothing is better than good old American blues. Johny Lee Hooker omg I read a book about him and apparently he shot dope everyday for fifty years. He got clean in his 70’s and he was so bad he gave his daughter control of his money and she would only give him enough for a pack of cigarettes. But the talent that man had. Willie Dixon, holy cow. Just so much good music around. Of course I’m a Dylan fanatic whom you said you don’t like but the guy has now been writing and performing for six decades. I think one of his first gigs was opening for John Lee hooker in nyc but I’d need to double check that. So much good music I can go on foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A lot of greats went off in the 80's. Bowie, McCartney, Dylan, Young, they just seemed a bit lost. I am glad I wasn't so young during that period. They got the mojo back in the 1990's.
Blood on the Tracks is great. I like the more melodic moments, so Simple Twist of Fate is perhaps my favorite. The simple descending chord line, the direct emotion, and that captures me. A few friends went to see him when he came here and I should have gone really. It would have been a last chance and so what if the voice is shot, it is the experience. I used to think when a voice goes one should call it a day, but I now accept that the deal with the devil means that you can never stop until you drop.
But Dylan compensates and writes for his voice. Like McCartney would write if he had a cold or he would scream for hours to get his voice rough. To me Dylan sounds just as good as ever. An interesting fact, Dylan will never play the same song twice. He will change not only lyrics but chord progression. Mathematically speaking he never had to play the same song the same way, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, another new song released a couple of days too Walrus. So that is two new songs. Yes, I think a new album is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe owe Blood on the tracks to a divorce that really did a number on Dylan but served his fans well. I think idiot wind may be my favorite song on that album. I took my wife to see Dylan, she couldn’t understand a word he sung but she was blown away by the music. He just released that song about Kennedy’s shooting I have a feeling we may get another tour if the wuhan tang calms down or at least another album. Or cd or digital release whatever we do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have about 15 Dylan albums, so I wouldn't say I don't like him. I think he has about 10 albums up there with any others. My wife doesn't like him, but I do. I just think he made his share of albums I am not into during the 1970's and 1980's. Blood on the Tracks was splendid though. The 60'and mid 90's on were sublime. I suppose Dylan is more an aquired taste for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI loved Lou reed. That album I think it was magic and loss where he was writing about seeing his friend die of cancer was just an emotional album. Velvet underground, good stuff. IMO nothing is better than good old American blues. Johny Lee Hooker omg I read a book about him and apparently he shot dope everyday for fifty years. He got clean in his 70’s and he was so bad he gave his daughter control of his money and she would only give him enough for a pack of cigarettes. But the talent that man had. Willie Dixon, holy cow. Just so much good music around. Of course I’m a Dylan fanatic whom you said you don’t like but the guy has now been writing and performing for six decades. I think one of his first gigs was opening for John Lee hooker in nyc but I’d need to double check that. So much good music I can go on foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A lot of greats went off in the 80's. Bowie, McCartney, Dylan, Young, they just seemed a bit lost. I am glad I wasn't so young during that period. They got the mojo back in the 1990's.
Blood on the Tracks is great. I like the more melodic moments, so Simple Twist of Fate is perhaps my favorite. The simple descending chord line, the direct emotion, and that captures me. A few friends went to see him when he came here and I should have gone really. It would have been a last chance and so what if the voice is shot, it is the experience. I used to think when a voice goes one should call it a day, but I now accept that the deal with the devil means that you can never stop until you drop.
To you or me the voice is a tool to convey, but to a lot of people the voice needs to be palatable or even the key component of the song. The voice should perhaps even be beautiful and few could say that about the voice of Dylan. It is a unique voice and his voice and for me that is what matters. You are right, it is about the song and writing for yourself in a way that works for you. I listen to McCartney, especially in his 60's and 70's period and his voice was just so melodic and, Bob just never had that same musicality to his voice. He made his own style with those elongated vowels. Lou Reed too was not a natural signer whence being more and more about phrasing and timing. He would write in a way that would fit for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusBut Dylan compensates and writes for his voice. Like McCartney would write if he had a cold or he would scream for hours to get his voice rough. To me Dylan sounds just as good as ever. An interesting fact, Dylan will never play the same song twice. He will change not only lyrics but chord progression. Mathematically speaking he never had to play the same song the same way, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, another new song released a couple of days too Walrus. So that is two new songs. Yes, I think a new album is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe owe Blood on the tracks to a divorce that really did a number on Dylan but served his fans well. I think idiot wind may be my favorite song on that album. I took my wife to see Dylan, she couldn’t understand a word he sung but she was blown away by the music. He just released that song about Kennedy’s shooting I have a feeling we may get another tour if the wuhan tang calms down or at least another album. Or cd or digital release whatever we do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have about 15 Dylan albums, so I wouldn't say I don't like him. I think he has about 10 albums up there with any others. My wife doesn't like him, but I do. I just think he made his share of albums I am not into during the 1970's and 1980's. Blood on the Tracks was splendid though. The 60'and mid 90's on were sublime. I suppose Dylan is more an aquired taste for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI loved Lou reed. That album I think it was magic and loss where he was writing about seeing his friend die of cancer was just an emotional album. Velvet underground, good stuff. IMO nothing is better than good old American blues. Johny Lee Hooker omg I read a book about him and apparently he shot dope everyday for fifty years. He got clean in his 70’s and he was so bad he gave his daughter control of his money and she would only give him enough for a pack of cigarettes. But the talent that man had. Willie Dixon, holy cow. Just so much good music around. Of course I’m a Dylan fanatic whom you said you don’t like but the guy has now been writing and performing for six decades. I think one of his first gigs was opening for John Lee hooker in nyc but I’d need to double check that. So much good music I can go on foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A lot of greats went off in the 80's. Bowie, McCartney, Dylan, Young, they just seemed a bit lost. I am glad I wasn't so young during that period. They got the mojo back in the 1990's.
Blood on the Tracks is great. I like the more melodic moments, so Simple Twist of Fate is perhaps my favorite. The simple descending chord line, the direct emotion, and that captures me. A few friends went to see him when he came here and I should have gone really. It would have been a last chance and so what if the voice is shot, it is the experience. I used to think when a voice goes one should call it a day, but I now accept that the deal with the devil means that you can never stop until you drop.
Yes, Magic and Loss is excellent. Reed in that New York to Magic to Twilight Reeling period was so good. So much more consistent than he was in the 1970's. Very solid work.
Miles you keep disagreeing with me or correcting me about Dylan. To me his voice is beauty. I’m beginning to think your argument has racial undertones and beaner was right about you. If master likes this post I know I’m right.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTo you or me the voice is a tool to convey, but to a lot of people the voice needs to be palatable or even the key component of the song. The voice should perhaps even be beautiful and few could say that about the voice of Dylan. It is a unique voice and his voice and for me that is what matters. You are right, it is about the song and writing for yourself in a way that works for you. I listen to McCartney, especially in his 60's and 70's period and his voice was just so melodic and, Bob just never had that same musicality to his voice. He made his own style with those elongated vowels. Lou Reed too was not a natural signer whence being more and more about phrasing and timing. He would write in a way that would fit for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusBut Dylan compensates and writes for his voice. Like McCartney would write if he had a cold or he would scream for hours to get his voice rough. To me Dylan sounds just as good as ever. An interesting fact, Dylan will never play the same song twice. He will change not only lyrics but chord progression. Mathematically speaking he never had to play the same song the same way, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, another new song released a couple of days too Walrus. So that is two new songs. Yes, I think a new album is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe owe Blood on the tracks to a divorce that really did a number on Dylan but served his fans well. I think idiot wind may be my favorite song on that album. I took my wife to see Dylan, she couldn’t understand a word he sung but she was blown away by the music. He just released that song about Kennedy’s shooting I have a feeling we may get another tour if the wuhan tang calms down or at least another album. Or cd or digital release whatever we do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have about 15 Dylan albums, so I wouldn't say I don't like him. I think he has about 10 albums up there with any others. My wife doesn't like him, but I do. I just think he made his share of albums I am not into during the 1970's and 1980's. Blood on the Tracks was splendid though. The 60'and mid 90's on were sublime. I suppose Dylan is more an aquired taste for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI loved Lou reed. That album I think it was magic and loss where he was writing about seeing his friend die of cancer was just an emotional album. Velvet underground, good stuff. IMO nothing is better than good old American blues. Johny Lee Hooker omg I read a book about him and apparently he shot dope everyday for fifty years. He got clean in his 70’s and he was so bad he gave his daughter control of his money and she would only give him enough for a pack of cigarettes. But the talent that man had. Willie Dixon, holy cow. Just so much good music around. Of course I’m a Dylan fanatic whom you said you don’t like but the guy has now been writing and performing for six decades. I think one of his first gigs was opening for John Lee hooker in nyc but I’d need to double check that. So much good music I can go on foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A lot of greats went off in the 80's. Bowie, McCartney, Dylan, Young, they just seemed a bit lost. I am glad I wasn't so young during that period. They got the mojo back in the 1990's.
Blood on the Tracks is great. I like the more melodic moments, so Simple Twist of Fate is perhaps my favorite. The simple descending chord line, the direct emotion, and that captures me. A few friends went to see him when he came here and I should have gone really. It would have been a last chance and so what if the voice is shot, it is the experience. I used to think when a voice goes one should call it a day, but I now accept that the deal with the devil means that you can never stop until you drop.
Yes, Magic and Loss is excellent. Reed in that New York to Magic to Twilight Reeling period was so good. So much more consistent than he was in the 1970's. Very solid work.
I disagree, but I respect your opinion. Interesting that both Reed and Dylan were Jews though. We should maybe tell Master and get some bonus points.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusMiles you keep disagreeing with me or correcting me about Dylan. To me his voice is beauty. I’m beginning to think your argument has racial undertones and beaner was right about you. If master likes this post I know I’m right.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTo you or me the voice is a tool to convey, but to a lot of people the voice needs to be palatable or even the key component of the song. The voice should perhaps even be beautiful and few could say that about the voice of Dylan. It is a unique voice and his voice and for me that is what matters. You are right, it is about the song and writing for yourself in a way that works for you. I listen to McCartney, especially in his 60's and 70's period and his voice was just so melodic and, Bob just never had that same musicality to his voice. He made his own style with those elongated vowels. Lou Reed too was not a natural signer whence being more and more about phrasing and timing. He would write in a way that would fit for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusBut Dylan compensates and writes for his voice. Like McCartney would write if he had a cold or he would scream for hours to get his voice rough. To me Dylan sounds just as good as ever. An interesting fact, Dylan will never play the same song twice. He will change not only lyrics but chord progression. Mathematically speaking he never had to play the same song the same way, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, another new song released a couple of days too Walrus. So that is two new songs. Yes, I think a new album is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe owe Blood on the tracks to a divorce that really did a number on Dylan but served his fans well. I think idiot wind may be my favorite song on that album. I took my wife to see Dylan, she couldn’t understand a word he sung but she was blown away by the music. He just released that song about Kennedy’s shooting I have a feeling we may get another tour if the wuhan tang calms down or at least another album. Or cd or digital release whatever we do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have about 15 Dylan albums, so I wouldn't say I don't like him. I think he has about 10 albums up there with any others. My wife doesn't like him, but I do. I just think he made his share of albums I am not into during the 1970's and 1980's. Blood on the Tracks was splendid though. The 60'and mid 90's on were sublime. I suppose Dylan is more an aquired taste for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI loved Lou reed. That album I think it was magic and loss where he was writing about seeing his friend die of cancer was just an emotional album. Velvet underground, good stuff. IMO nothing is better than good old American blues. Johny Lee Hooker omg I read a book about him and apparently he shot dope everyday for fifty years. He got clean in his 70’s and he was so bad he gave his daughter control of his money and she would only give him enough for a pack of cigarettes. But the talent that man had. Willie Dixon, holy cow. Just so much good music around. Of course I’m a Dylan fanatic whom you said you don’t like but the guy has now been writing and performing for six decades. I think one of his first gigs was opening for John Lee hooker in nyc but I’d need to double check that. So much good music I can go on foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A lot of greats went off in the 80's. Bowie, McCartney, Dylan, Young, they just seemed a bit lost. I am glad I wasn't so young during that period. They got the mojo back in the 1990's.
Blood on the Tracks is great. I like the more melodic moments, so Simple Twist of Fate is perhaps my favorite. The simple descending chord line, the direct emotion, and that captures me. A few friends went to see him when he came here and I should have gone really. It would have been a last chance and so what if the voice is shot, it is the experience. I used to think when a voice goes one should call it a day, but I now accept that the deal with the devil means that you can never stop until you drop.
Yes, Magic and Loss is excellent. Reed in that New York to Magic to Twilight Reeling period was so good. So much more consistent than he was in the 1970's. Very solid work.
This is London in 1983 and is just nice. I have always said that when looking at these older videos. The traffic is less, the crowds smaller, and it is just factually more English. There is nothing racist about saying it is nice to see English people in their own capital. I would say the same about Tokyo and the Japanese or Abuja and the Nigerians. It is our culture and should be celebrated rather than frowned on as racist. It is lovely. It is perfect like Dylan's voice is to you Walrus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wALxeIziZ0Q
"This has made me cry, I was born in the east end in early fifties, it’s was tough but everyone was the same, poor but we all pulled together and got through. My heart cries for what it’s become. Very sad" - Christina.
"I'm a Londoner born and bred and still live here because of work and looking after my elderly dad and I hate how this city has changed ; I feel like a stranger in my own city and I no longer recognise it nor love anymore" - Gary.
"Went to London from South Africa in 1997 for one year. I was 19 years old and I loved it. Went back In 2003 for another year and immediately picked up that things changed. Going to visit London In 2019, scared to see what they did to thecity that gave me so much and that I love... Regards from South Africa. - Erick.
"Once English occupied loads of other countries and robbed their wealth . Now it's time to repay" - Raja.
"All these nostalgia blinded brits in the comments. This was 1 of the worst times for Britain. And when the IRA was more dangerous than Islamic terrorists" - AJ.
Can’t speak to it personally of course but I here similar things from the watch crowd. England purchases a larger percentage of Rolex, omega etc than the US. I think it is more of a status symbol in England than the us or maybe the British just like nice watches. Whatever the case may be I hear some British watch enthusiasts lament similar situations you echo here. I still have plans on visiting Scotland although we haven’t talked about it in a while. If everybody could just chill and get along maybe so many wouldn’t feel so strongly about this. Either way I would love to see London if things work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I was reading through the comments and find it quite sad. It is definitely different to today. A factual observation and not as English. I feel it whenever I return home. It is just a factual observation of how the 80's were different and demographics are a huge factor. For it to be good or bad is another debate but it is different. Nobody can deny the differences.
True fact: Bob Dylan was an amateur boxer .... and the great song 'The Boxer' by Simon & Garfunkel was written about Bob Dylan.
I love Dylan's music and would be the first to admit he never had a great great voice (and sadly, it's completely gone now), but as a lyricist and in writing melodies the man is out on his own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXHpt1DkvqIQuote:
Originally Posted by X
Wally how old are you?
Older than I once was but younger than I’ll beQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And X Dylan owns a building complex that includes a boxing gym in Santa Monica
Dylan once employed former World Boxing Association Lightweight Champion Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini as his sparring partner.
dylan-ali-2Any Dylan fan worth his salt is aware of Bob’s love of boxing. From the songs “Who Killed Davey Moore” and “Hurricane” to his friendship with Muhammad Ali, Dylan has long been interested in “The Sweet Science.” In the 1990s, Dylan purchased a building in Santa Monica, CA as an investment and put Maymudes to work, designing and building what was to become the 18th Street Coffee House. Bob insisted on including a full-size boxing gym, complete with ring, accessible through a walk-in cooler door. He hired Boom-Boom Mancini to train and spar with him.
Wait, there’s more! Four days after losing his November 1982 fight with Mancini, Korean boxer Duk Koo Kim died from brain injuries. Mancini went into a deep depression and his career never recovered. Mancini – and the bout are immortalized in a song by Dylan friend, Warren Zevon. Dylan himself covered Zevon’s song only once – in Seattle in 2002.
And more! http://tinyurl.com/lt9r8yr
Bit weird considering you PM people and demand to know their age. I think you have said you were younger than most of us and yet you post like an old fart. It's a thread about the 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusOlder than I once was but younger than I’ll beQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Start a Dylan thread, acres of material there. God knows we could do with some non Corona threads.
Ok @Beanz please tell me who I ever pmd and demanded to know their ageQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzBit weird considering you PM people and demand to know their age. I think you have said you were younger than most of us and yet you post like an old fart. It's a thread about the 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusOlder than I once was but younger than I’ll beQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Start a Dylan thread, acres of material there. God knows we could do with some non Corona threads.
They know and you know. If you don't want to reveal it, it is no biggy. It is just kind of relevant in a thread like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusOk @Beanz please tell me who I ever pmd and demanded to know their ageQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzBit weird considering you PM people and demand to know their age. I think you have said you were younger than most of us and yet you post like an old fart. It's a thread about the 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusOlder than I once was but younger than I’ll beQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Start a Dylan thread, acres of material there. God knows we could do with some non Corona threads.
Actually you have the story wrong beanz. The only time I ask anyone their age is if I do an intake at work. I don’t ask anyone their age it’s none of my business. Also you never posted where I said master hates white people, or you for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThey know and you know. If you don't want to reveal it, it is no biggy. It is just kind of relevant in a thread like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusOk @Beanz please tell me who I ever pmd and demanded to know their ageQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzBit weird considering you PM people and demand to know their age. I think you have said you were younger than most of us and yet you post like an old fart. It's a thread about the 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusOlder than I once was but younger than I’ll beQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Start a Dylan thread, acres of material there. God knows we could do with some non Corona threads.
I think rather than talk civilly to one another, you should get into an argument that goes on for pages and pages. Then someone else can join in, then someone else, then it'll become a giant shit storm and then someone can say something that someone else considers racist then someone else can call that person racist then someone can report someone or some thing then that person can get upset because the mods wont trawl through said shitstorm to establish who's being a twat. Then there could be another thread discussing this thread, maybe a poll?
This has nothing to do with the 80s but I will indulge you. You demanded Fenster tell you how old he was and if you really think anyone on the entire forum would belive that you have never told me I hate white people, you must have even less respect for them than you usually display. We are not idiots.
See beanz you are wrong. Fenster asked me my age and I gave him a reply in jest which he took seriously. Please get your facts straight. And FYI I stuck up for master when he was being called a racist by the other mods. You can ask him about that. You really don’t know what u are talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Ha! GTFOHQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSee beanz you are wrong. Fenster asked me my age and I gave him a reply in jest which he took seriously. Please get your facts straight. And FYI I stuck up for master when he was being called a racist by the other mods. You can ask him about that. You really don’t know what u are talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Nice story bro.
What were the eighties like for you?
Why don’t you ask them so you can clear it up in your twisted head. Why must everythread become a battle for you. Why do I even bother trying to communicate with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzHa! GTFOHQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSee beanz you are wrong. Fenster asked me my age and I gave him a reply in jest which he took seriously. Please get your facts straight. And FYI I stuck up for master when he was being called a racist by the other mods. You can ask him about that. You really don’t know what u are talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Nice story bro.
What were the eighties like for you?
Bloody hell what a complete load of bollocks. How you and your dickhead mates manage to even twist a thread like this one into such bitter moaning whingy knots. I will never understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhy don’t you ask them so you can clear it up in your twisted head. Why must everythread become a battle for you. Why do I even bother trying to communicate with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzHa! GTFOHQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSee beanz you are wrong. Fenster asked me my age and I gave him a reply in jest which he took seriously. Please get your facts straight. And FYI I stuck up for master when he was being called a racist by the other mods. You can ask him about that. You really don’t know what u are talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Nice story bro.
What were the eighties like for you?
Idiot.
I am going to put you ignore.
Great decade for a change in music in all genres. From that disco shit to something more contemporary. Back then artists could still sing and there wasn't any of this auto-tune shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
I loved the videography of music and television back in those days. I still watch 80s stuff for the nostalgia because it brings back so much memories.
You could have smoked in the movie theaters back then too. A great deal has changed, a some for the better. The 80s was the last decade where people paid attention to the fucking details man. Dates and times mattered.
lol. damn man. I thought I had issues with this porn thing, but you've got REAL issues that cannot be resolved so easily. It's sad when you can link your life back to the fucked-upness of a political leader, can you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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