And no every fighter should not be 34 without fighting anyone decent. In my view if you have a mandatory you fight him. If you refuse you get a fine and a ban.
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And no every fighter should not be 34 without fighting anyone decent. In my view if you have a mandatory you fight him. If you refuse you get a fine and a ban.
This is what Hearn said the Problem was with Eubank Snr.....................
Earlier, promoter Eddie Hearn took to Radio 5 live in the U.K. to shed some light on the sudden and dramatic switch. “The problem was that Chris Eubank Sr. wanted operational control of the show,” revealed the Matchroom boss.
“He wanted to select his own ticket prices, his own undercard … talking about security and hotels. I don’t need that hassle — that’s what we do, that’s what we’ve done for 30 years.”
Eubank Jr. has since claimed via social media that he hadn’t “been shown one contract” which, if the above list of demands is anything to go by, hardly comes as a surprise.
According to Hearn, the unbeaten Brook agreed to face Golovkin inside 24 hours.
Gotta give Hearn props for getting this Brook fight sorted and here in London :cool:
For many years it was Frank Warren who controlled British boxing. The promoter, who was once shot, cemented his place as the man when he took his stable over to Sky back in 1995. At that point his stable included Naseem Hamed, Frank Bruno and Nigel Benn. One of the numerous promoters he saw off in the battle for control of British boxing was Barry Hearn who he eventually signed Chris Eubank Sr. His dominance continued into the first decade of the 21st century as he oversaw the rise of Joe Calzaghe, Amir Khan and Ricky Hatton. A few years later and it was all change. The son of Barry, Eddie Hearn got his promoting license in early 2011 and his deal with Sky in 2012 has led to him signing some of the best talent Britain had to offer. Also in 2011, Frank Warren ended his relationship with Sky and created his own subscription service BoxNation which has affected the bottom line of some of his fighters. Many of Frank Warren’s fighters chose to leave and sign with Hearn including Tony Bellew, George Groves and James DeGale. As well as having more world champions, Eddie has looked to build strong links with the thriving British amateur scene, making him favorite to bag any impressive British amateur boxer.
Frank Warren, although the dominant British promoter for a long period, arguably made many mistakes with his fighters. Eddie Hearn seems to have done his best to learn from them. Of course despite his mistakes, Frank Warren made many of them World Champions. Ricky Hatton expressed disappointment at how he was promoted following the Kostya Tzuyu bout. Ricky Hatton wanted to crack America and Frank was struggling to help him do it. Amir Khan also left Frank after beating Dmitriy Salita to go and crack America, signing with Golden Boy. Eddie Hearn made sure Anthony Joshua’s first defense came against an American opponent in order to help build that market and signed a television deal with Showtime. Joe Calzaghe always wished that Frank Warren took risks with him earlier. He felt late in his career he got the fights he had been clamoring for the whole time. Eddie Hearn listened to Anthony Crolla who wanted to continue riding the wave of form and box Jorge Linares rather than taking an easier voluntary defense.
Eddie Hearn has managed to enter himself into one of the biggest fights in 2016. Gennady Golovkin is one of the five biggest names in the sport and he will be fighting a boxer from the Matchroom stable. It will be Kell Brook, the welterweight champion, rather than Chris Eubank Jr. or even James DeGale who is closer in fight weight to Golovkin than Brook. The fight came about when Eddie Hearn complained to Kell Brook about the stalling of his proposed fight with Jesse Vargas and that of Eubank against Golovkin. Hearn stated if only you were middleweight, you could fight Golovkin. Brook jumped at the opportunity and soon the fight was signed, shocking most of the boxing world. Hearn has learnt that the best risks to take are those where even a loss will not hinder a career. No one will think any worse of Brook if he loses this fight. Frank Warren always said he aimed to put his fighters in a strong position before there was a high chance it went “tits up.” Eddie watched Frank run British boxing only to take the model and improve on it. British boxing has never been stronger and the fights that Eddie Hearn has been part of over the last 18 months are a big reason why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AuMgE6Y7oI
The US viewers are not paying for this fight but the British are?
Thank you Hearn for selling us a mismatch.
Firstly Ron, you say I'm missing the point, but I'm not. I've asked you the question in the past a few times, and it's always the same story, nobody wants it, and people fuck him about stalling the negotiations because they don't really want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYea I havent seen anyone on this forum defend the fight as a decent fight. Im saying the MW division is shite. GGG is the best by far. Then you have Jacobs, Canelo, Cotto, Eubank, Saunders, Lemieux and Quillin. Outside that is there anyone that would be awful fights for Brook to take? (I actually think Brook v 2016 Cotto wis very competitive). Since none of these guys will fight GGG why is Brook any worse than the leftovers in the MW? Looking at it from GGGs POV what other options did he have where he would get as much money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraRon, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSaunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.
Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?
From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.
Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.
Id much prefer to see him fight a top 154 fighter or 168 fighter but your acting like GGG is ducking someone. Hes the champ. He hasnt vacated to avoid anyone and he hasnt ducked any mandatorys. If every champions behaved the way GGG did the sport would be a lot better.
First let me reply to Primo. If you are asking who he should fight right now then you are missing the point. He is 34. In this day everyone gets a belt right? Well in his 35 fights he has fought 4 guys who have ever won a MW title. Any MW title, vacant, interim, anything. 3 of those 4 won 1 time and lost every other time. One guy won 5 making a total of 8 championship fight wins by ALL his opponents! And that's 8 wins versus 34 losses! The guy that won 5, he is 0-3 in the USA. He didn't see the final bell once, he QUIT more than once. So even that guy isn't a real champion. GGGs ledger is hot garbage, the whole damn thing. 5 years ago I loved guy. Now I can't stand him. Who should he fight right now, I don't know. I'm more concerned with how his entire career is set up not to get big fights. They get the date, get the venue then fill in the opponent. That's a great way to stay busy but that is the last way to make big fights. But if I had to answer who he should fight right now I would say Lara, hehas called for the fight for years.
As for SilkieJoes comment, so every boxer should be 34 never having fought good fighters? Your view of how the sport should be is an idea I fear is coming.
The only person that you've championed to fight him is the "elephant in the room!", yes , Andre Ward!
The problem is that was never a realistic proposition for many reasons I have given in the past, and we are always going to agree to disagree on that.
I do think though , as I said earlier, I think the time has come to chase Degale, Ramirez, and any other top SMW's. Or indeed Ward if he comes back down to 168lb. Anything else would be as much a circus act as Brook v GGG & Canelo v Khan.
Don't hold your breath on it happening though .
Btw , before everyone waxes lyrical about Ward manning up to fight Kovalev, it hasn't actually happened yet.
I also think Ward was forced into manning up. He tried as long as he could to do what Canelo and GGG have done. Get a smaller guy to fight him for big money but it just wasnt happening for him. I agree. If its not Canelo after Brook he has to move on and go after the 168s.
just youtubed some GGG highlights and hes better than I remember
as in, ive seen all the fights before and my memory knows he is good bit when I watch them again I remind myself that he is better than I remember
Anyway, I realised what has happened
Eddie Hearn has shot himself in the foot trying to get back at the Eubanks
he's having a difficult time with them, arranges a contract, they wont have it so he thinks right - who should I give this to just to piss them off
now one of his cash cows looks to be getting beat and the eubanks have a valid excuse of not fighting GGG and it cant be said that they ducked
If you're Eddie Hearn why would you make this fight? I'm not surprised the Eubanks bottled it, I am really surprised Brook took it but I'm most surprised of all why he got offered it in the first place. Maybe it's commercial pressure from Sky to come up with a big PPV event but it's not going to do Brook's career any good.
And I don't think it's to set up another PPV with Eubank afterwards, if he didn't sign for the first fight why would he sign for the second one? And he's only got one fight left on his matchroom deal and his idiot dad will probably have him back fighting in shopping centres after that fight.
But why make this fight other than you're getting pressure from Sky? It could easily be a career ender for Brook. If he's able to stand up to Golovkin's power and get through the first couple of rounds he's going to get an absolute battering.
Maybe if he cops a twatting from GGG then the Americans will be falling over themselves to fight him and get his belt.
Sky have to pay the price for overpaying on the football contract by having these PPV dates. It is an absurd mis-match and yet they have to sell it as a competitive fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Wouldn't be the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSky have to pay the price for overpaying on the football contract by having these PPV dates. It is an absurd mis-match and yet they have to sell it as a competitive fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
This one is awful: a welterweight v middleweight. Ridiculous.
I agree that Golovkin is going to be an overwhelming favourite (though British punters may move the odds a bit) ... But don't forget Leonard beat Hagler - OK not really - but Duran beat Barkley, Robinson beat LaMotta and Cotto beat Martinez
My mate text me earlier to see if I wanted to go to this, ideally yeah I would go just for the weekend away and the night out, yeah it's a joke of a fight but I still would have liked to go
Tickets are between £40 and £500 now I'm guessing that the £40 seats will be right up in the gods where the fighters will look like ants.
I've decided against it, tickets, beer, train tickets, B&B etc, it'd just be too damn expensive
It will sell out in a minute. Be very hard getting face value tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Casimero v Edwards is a nice little fight on the undercard though.
I think you are right, stay at home with PPV and supermarket beer, sad but true. What should have been a relatively competitive middleweight fight is now potentially silly with a weight mismatch. I guess that EU snr just wants to snag some sort of title for his boy and then get him on the non combative celebrity cycle as a better income source, shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt will sell out in a minute. Be very hard getting face value tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Casimero v Edwards is a nice little fight on the undercard though.
Kelly Brook to •••AXE••• ggg
^^ Passion fruit.
Keep seeing/reading Hearn waffle on about Brook walking around heavier than Golovkin. Yeah, he gets really fat outside the ring, Golovkin always looks in shape.
If.. if Brook does naturally hold the weight it will be interesting to see what happens when he starts ramming his mustard jab down Golovkin's throat. He is an elite level fighter.
Golovkin always has a little dip in his fights that go on for a while so if you can get a foothold, there is opportunity for success, before he inevitably smashes your face in.
Strange fight but not Khan/Canelo bad. Still pretty messed up though.
Wrong just as badQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
GGG bitch squad great excuse makers . Problem may be their negotiating skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Why is Brook fighting GGG,! 3 or 4 million reasons apparently that's Brooks purse.
Were else or who else would generate that type of money a career defining fight.
A miss match maybe but this is boxing,!!! and anything could happen.
I think Kells got a chance
I really didn't think Khan had a chance but I think Kell has
hes a very good fighter, if it wasn't for the weight difference id be screaming about his chances a lot louder
That is the point, the weight difference is too great and makes this fight a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
So you think it's a mismatch, Master? Nobody would have guessed considering you've posted it a hundred times already. Boring cunt.
What gets me, is it's funny how a fight can get made between Brook and GGG or Canelo and Khan, but a fight can't get made between For example, Brook/Khan or Brook/Thurman. It's a fucking joke really.
They must think us fans are fucking stupid, and to be fair, we probably are putting up with this bullshit.
Yeah, it's a fun fight, and I do think Brook has marginally more chance than Khan did against Canelo, but it doesn't mean to say that this sort of shit should be happening.
yeah you know tho we should be happy
brook Thurman - ace, im looking forward to that
brook khan - good stuff, probly end up with khan on his back but a good fight for Britain
brook GGG - fuck me!
it has a bit more of an affect, you know what I mean
Yeah It's Golovkin fighting primetime in our country not Brook going over there. Big difference. I'm nerdy enough to watch press conferences, weigh-ins and what not, so will be glued to the build-up let alone the fight (regardless of the fact I think Brook is getting a hiding).
ill watch most of the programs, like behind the ropes and shit like that, I don't watch the prezzers tho
I think the face to face thing what ever its called is a bit shit too, that one where they sit across from each other on a table
specially when fury is doing it, its just listening to some mong talk about himself for how ever long
Oh Yeah, I think we'll all be glued to the build up and It's great fro British boxing to have one of the best fighters of his day coming here to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
But we have to remember that it's a sport and there are weight divisions for a reason. in a sporting sense , I reckon everyone would prefer:
GGG v Jacobs ,Saunders, Canelo
Brook v Khan, Thurman, Garcia, Bradley, Spence, Pac.
Those are the fights that should get made .
im looking forward to it more than I would be
GGG v Jacobs ,Saunders, Canelo
Brook v Khan, Thurman, Garcia, Bradley, Spence, Pac.
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Really? Oh well each to their own. But I said in a sporting sense. I know you fancy Brook in this fight, but surely fights with Thurman , Pac,Bradley are more of a 50/50?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraReally? Oh well each to their own. But I said in a sporting sense. I know you fancy Brook in this fight, but surely fights with Thurman , Pac,Bradley are more of a 50/50?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
yes more of a 50/50 although I think brook is being underestimated
if it was in England id be more excited about Brook Thurman because I could watch it live without messing up my sleep pattern
A win against Thurman tho is just a very good win and one I wouldn't like to miss
a win against GGG is legendary
This damages the quality of any Brooks v Khan/Thurman/Bradley fight because Kell will be damaged goods.
Did I mention the fact that I think this fight is bloody ridiculous?
To be fair Kell Brook is not Roberto Duran or SRR. He may emulate Cotto provided Golovkin comes into the ring with a leg missing like Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
I dont know how people think Brook has a better chance of beating GGG than Khan did of beating Canelo. I had Khan well ahead at the time of the KO. This is going to be a one sided battering. How long do we think Brook can run for?