Paulie probably outboxed Colin and made him rethink his strategy to something unconventional as @Nameless suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Paulie probably outboxed Colin and made him rethink his strategy to something unconventional as @Nameless suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
😂😂😂😂😂 @Beanz, this is fucking hilarious! You are going right off the top board here, it's fucking great!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzBecause it is childish and unnecessary like a lot of your posts. If you are replying in a thread why would you need to @mention someone ? If you have nothing new to offer then why bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
It's also just incredibly lazy, like listing points and expecting people to reply to each point in order because you can't extrapolate an argument from a post and you want everything handed to you on a plate. If you had read anything about the history of boxing or even bothered to google the subject it would be quite obvious to you that more knockouts due to wearing gloves is just the basics. You can be a noob and pretend that they were invented for the safety of boxers and that bare knuckle fights lead to more knockouts but you are just kidding yourself.
The worst part of it is the pedantic and frankly laughable idea that you are above commenting on a fight that has more in common with the history of boxing than half the spoon fed rubbish you think is "pure", or some such nonsense. Of course it's a circus, it's always a circus, that is in it's genes, just like grappling.
If you are offended then I apologise but frankly you have missed the point if you think the point of a forum is to just rip the piss out of people and be condescending.
You are supposed to present counter arguments not just go with the flow.
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I'm a bit busy at the moment, but please give me a few hours and I'll reply properly to your dissertation, trying as hard as I can to state FACTS!
I am literally pissing myself here!
#@Rossreincarnatedbutusingbigwords 😂😂
If UFC fighters could hang with boxers, they would just go into boxing because they make way more money. Why would Conor remain in the UFC if he could make $20 million in one boxing match? That's probably 4 times what he would make his entire UFC career.
Also, I don't trust anything Paulie says because he is working with Conor. Obviously he isn't going to say something like "Conor is talented but obviously isn't anywhere near the level of a top boxer." That's why he says things like he doesn't have really good power but neither do a lot of people. The only chance he has to beat Floyd is to have OMG power. If he doesn't, then his chances go from .01% chance of winning to 0% chance.
@BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzBecause it is childish and unnecessary like a lot of your posts. If you are replying in a thread why would you need to @mention someone ? If you have nothing new to offer then why bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
It's also just incredibly lazy, like listing points and expecting people to reply to each point in order because you can't extrapolate an argument from a post and you want everything handed to you on a plate. If you had read anything about the history of boxing or even bothered to google the subject it would be quite obvious to you that more knockouts due to wearing gloves is just the basics. You can be a noob and pretend that they were invented for the safety of boxers and that bare knuckle fights lead to more knockouts but you are just kidding yourself.
The worst part of it is the pedantic and frankly laughable idea that you are above commenting on a fight that has more in common with the history of boxing than half the spoon fed rubbish you think is "pure", or some such nonsense. Of course it's a circus, it's always a circus, that is in it's genes, just like grappling.
If you are offended then I apologise but frankly you have missed the point if you think the point of a forum is to just rip the piss out of people and be condescending.
You are supposed to present counter arguments not just go with the flow.
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Because it is childish and unnecessary like a lot of your posts. If you are replying in a thread why would you need to @mention someone ? If you have nothing new to offer then why bother?
childish and unnecessary? Don't be fuckin stupid. Like @Fenster previously said (but you probably never bothered to read it) it saves loads of long meaningless quotes that most people wouldn't be bothered to go through and also find it quite annoying because they take 10 minutes to scroll to the bottom of the page. Still , you don't give a fuck about anybody else , so I'll make this a nice long fucking post to keep you happy and piss everyone else off.
It's also just incredibly lazy, like listing points and expecting people to reply to each point in order because you can't extrapolate an argument from a post and you want everything handed to you on a plate.
Uh, no. Replying point by point is
A. Being polite and ensuring that every point is replied to, not cherry picking bits that you can answer and ignoring bits you have no answer. I have noticed that you're a bit of an expert at that.
B. For Clarity.
If you had read anything about the history of boxing or even bothered to google the subject it would be quite obvious to you that more knockouts due to wearing gloves is just the basics. You can be a noob and pretend that they were invented for the safety of boxers and that bare knuckle fights lead to more knockouts but you are just kidding yourself.
Again, like I said many times previously. I wasn't necessarily arguing with you on this subject. @Batman came up with a statement that pretty much sums up where I stand on this. The safety element regarding cuts with less padded gloves is equally as relevant as your point about broken hands. My actual point was your pathetic , desperate reply to a post "anyone who disagrees with me is full of shit" ;D;D you made yourself look a proper cunt tbf
The worst part of it is the pedantic and frankly laughable idea that you are above commenting on a fight that has more in common with the history of boxing than half the spoon fed rubbish you think is "pure", or some such nonsense. Of course it's a circus, it's always a circus, that is in it's genes, just like grappling.
The main reasons I don't wish to comment on this joke fight, therefore supporting it like twats like you, are:
A. You have a guy earning crazy money having never boxed professionally in his life fighting the best Boxer of the last 20 years.Thousands of Boxers worldwide have spent their whole lives making sacrifices to try to be the best Boxer they can be that will never get this kind of opportunity, yet many of them would beat McGregor, how can that be right?
B. It's immoral that they earn these ridiculous sums when people are fucking starving in some parts of the World.
C. It's probably gonna be a fix , but if mugs like you want to fucking analyse this shite, crack on. It's pathetic really.
If you are offended then I apologise but frankly you have missed the point if you think the point of a forum is to just rip the piss out of people and be condescending.
I did say I was a TINY bit offended, as I always respond with facts , like I'm doing now.
You are supposed to present counter arguments not just go with the flow.
I think it's safe to say that I've done that. Beanz, you seem to have a load of pent up anger and frustration in your irrational posts. I think you probably need to get laid or something so you can relax . Perhaps you'll stop talking so much shite then!;);D;D
30 day mark and still no official opponent for belt of Gervonta Davis. Pretty clear these will be window dressing filler fights, title fight or not.
It's a shame, one thing I always enjoyed about Floyd fights was the way he made the whole thing a good package. This is a literal and figurative outrage. Still I listen to the guys at work who aren't boxing fans and they are excited about the fight. I try to keep my mouth shut as who am I to ruin hype they bought intoQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The latest I heard after Salido wouldn't be ready in time and Farmer literally left for Africa was that it would be Rocky Martinez and he is and has been in camp preparing. So yes, a showcase fight.(although I don't particularly trust the source that said Rocky has been preparing)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Its a one trick pony show. Man you're a bigger man than I in that regard..I had a staff member ask me what I thought would happen and all I could do was hand her a fecal loop and lube for the pooch on table and tell her 'save your money you're living it' ;D. Love to see Davis challenged and not fed some glorified piñata.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusIt's a shame, one thing I always enjoyed about Floyd fights was the way he made the whole thing a good package. This is a literal and figurative outrage. Still I listen to the guys at work who aren't boxing fans and they are excited about the fight. I try to keep my mouth shut as who am I to ruin hype they bought intoQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Figure even a Martinez would be let known by now, name at least and ties to Loma, Salido etc. This is why the IBF is the shadiest as they always maintain number 1 or 2 rankings as "not rated". They could just ship Kenny Getup right in ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThe latest I heard after Salido wouldn't be ready in time and Farmer literally left for Africa was that it would be Rocky Martinez and he is and has been in camp preparing. So yes, a showcase fight.(although I don't particularly trust the source that said Rocky has been preparing)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The way this setup has gone I expect the toe stepping to go on until fight week. Like announce Davis's opponent the week of the Loma fight to try to get shine back on the circus. Announce Jack against ......... A week later to keep eyes on the freak show. I'm not paying for it so I don't care but I would like to see Davis and Jack have fights and good fights or at least decent fights. I don't think they will announce Davis opponent before Broner/Garcia because Floyd is part of the promotion but I wish they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliFigure even a Martinez would be let known by now, name at least and ties to Loma, Salido etc. This is why the IBF is the shadiest as they always maintain number 1 or 2 rankings as "not rated". They could just ship Kenny Getup right in ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThe latest I heard after Salido wouldn't be ready in time and Farmer literally left for Africa was that it would be Rocky Martinez and he is and has been in camp preparing. So yes, a showcase fight.(although I don't particularly trust the source that said Rocky has been preparing)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Roman Martinez is listed on boxrec now so it appears I had this all right except that word is they will announce the whole undercard some time this week.
Both Jack and Davis need good fights. They will be showcased in front of millions and millions of people. Maybe Floyd understands that a majority of the people ordering the fight will be non boxing fans so both of his guys fighting bums to make them look good is a good thing.
Paulie did say "he's nowhere near a top boxer" just in a more subtle manner. He would come across as a massive two-faced dick if he said Conor is crap, has no power and is getting slaughtered after "helping" him.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Saying only a handful of guys have frightening power with big 16 oz gloves was saying Conor isn't the power puncher they all claim. It's bloody obvious any decent boxing puncher wearing UFC gloves is going to be a devastating sparko artist.
Paulie saying Conor has his own style, that there's "method to the madness" was basically saying "Conor doesn't know what he's doing."
Agreed. He doesn't want to come out and obviously lie so he just spins it the best way possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterPaulie did say "he's nowhere near a top boxer" just in a more subtle manner. He would come across as a massive two-faced dick if he said Conor is crap, has no power and is getting slaughtered after "helping" him.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Saying only a handful of guys have frightening power with big 16 oz gloves was saying Conor isn't the power puncher they all claim. It's bloody obvious any decent boxing puncher wearing UFC gloves is going to be a devastating sparko artist.
Paulie saying Conor has his own style, that there's "method to the madness" was basically saying "Conor doesn't know what he's doing."
Oh good god, his name is Conor, it is in the title of the thread, what is it with you and names @Master?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPaulie probably outboxed Colin and made him rethink his strategy to something unconventional as @Nameless suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
You know how much it winds me up
Lol I like your breakdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterPaulie did say "he's nowhere near a top boxer" just in a more subtle manner. He would come across as a massive two-faced dick if he said Conor is crap, has no power and is getting slaughtered after "helping" him.Saying only a handful of guys have frightening power with big 16 oz gloves was saying Conor isn't the power puncher they all claim. It's bloody obvious any decent boxing puncher wearing UFC gloves is going to be a devastating sparko artist. Paulie saying Conor has his own style, that there's "method to the madness" was basically saying "Conor doesn't know what he's doing."Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Here you are getting on your high horse about how "immoral" the money is etc the exact thing you constantly slag Master off for. You are a joke mate. If this "circus" is so distasteful then why bother with all your hoity toity self righteous bollocks. It's Floyd ffs. It's what he does its exactly what Master told you would happen and yeah you are a bit sore after getting so owned by him but seriously get over it, you just come across like a baby. 'point by point ' breakdowns? Ha! Where do you get this daft 'pent up anger' stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera@BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzBecause it is childish and unnecessary like a lot of your posts. If you are replying in a thread why would you need to @mention someone ? If you have nothing new to offer then why bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
It's also just incredibly lazy, like listing points and expecting people to reply to each point in order because you can't extrapolate an argument from a post and you want everything handed to you on a plate. If you had read anything about the history of boxing or even bothered to google the subject it would be quite obvious to you that more knockouts due to wearing gloves is just the basics. You can be a noob and pretend that they were invented for the safety of boxers and that bare knuckle fights lead to more knockouts but you are just kidding yourself.
The worst part of it is the pedantic and frankly laughable idea that you are above commenting on a fight that has more in common with the history of boxing than half the spoon fed rubbish you think is "pure", or some such nonsense. Of course it's a circus, it's always a circus, that is in it's genes, just like grappling.
If you are offended then I apologise but frankly you have missed the point if you think the point of a forum is to just rip the piss out of people and be condescending.
You are supposed to present counter arguments not just go with the flow.
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:11fb8:
Because it is childish and unnecessary like a lot of your posts. If you are replying in a thread why would you need to @mention someone ? If you have nothing new to offer then why bother?
childish and unnecessary? Don't be fuckin stupid. Like @Fenster previously said (but you probably never bothered to read it) it saves loads of long meaningless quotes that most people wouldn't be bothered to go through and also find it quite annoying because they take 10 minutes to scroll to the bottom of the page. Still , you don't give a fuck about anybody else , so I'll make this a nice long fucking post to keep you happy and piss everyone else off.
It's also just incredibly lazy, like listing points and expecting people to reply to each point in order because you can't extrapolate an argument from a post and you want everything handed to you on a plate.
Uh, no. Replying point by point is
A. Being polite and ensuring that every point is replied to, not cherry picking bits that you can answer and ignoring bits you have no answer. I have noticed that you're a bit of an expert at that.
B. For Clarity.
If you had read anything about the history of boxing or even bothered to google the subject it would be quite obvious to you that more knockouts due to wearing gloves is just the basics. You can be a noob and pretend that they were invented for the safety of boxers and that bare knuckle fights lead to more knockouts but you are just kidding yourself.
Again, like I said many times previously. I wasn't necessarily arguing with you on this subject. @Batman came up with a statement that pretty much sums up where I stand on this. The safety element regarding cuts with less padded gloves is equally as relevant as your point about broken hands. My actual point was your pathetic , desperate reply to a post "anyone who disagrees with me is full of shit" ;D;D you made yourself look a proper cunt tbf
The worst part of it is the pedantic and frankly laughable idea that you are above commenting on a fight that has more in common with the history of boxing than half the spoon fed rubbish you think is "pure", or some such nonsense. Of course it's a circus, it's always a circus, that is in it's genes, just like grappling.
The main reasons I don't wish to comment on this joke fight, therefore supporting it like twats like you, are:
A. You have a guy earning crazy money having never boxed professionally in his life fighting the best Boxer of the last 20 years.Thousands of Boxers worldwide have spent their whole lives making sacrifices to try to be the best Boxer they can be that will never get this kind of opportunity, yet many of them would beat McGregor, how can that be right?
B. It's immoral that they earn these ridiculous sums when people are fucking starving in some parts of the World.
C. It's probably gonna be a fix , but if mugs like you want to fucking analyse this shite, crack on. It's pathetic really.
If you are offended then I apologise but frankly you have missed the point if you think the point of a forum is to just rip the piss out of people and be condescending.
I did say I was a TINY bit offended, as I always respond with facts , like I'm doing now.
You are supposed to present counter arguments not just go with the flow.
I think it's safe to say that I've done that. Beanz, you seem to have a load of pent up anger and frustration in your irrational posts. I think you probably need to get laid or something so you can relax . Perhaps you'll stop talking so much shite then!;);D;D
Boxing is a business, it's show business, it's not fair and I am the last person to over analyse this stuff, particularly this fight. The outrage about it is just as dumb as those seeing it as a legitimate 50th for Floyd too.
It is though a throwback in many ways, and people don't seem able to admit it. Exhibition matches, booths, circuses, challenging all comers are the foundations on which the noble art was built. There is no coincidence in Jem Mace being a mean fiddle player too.
Chill out. Its how it is even now at all levels, including ridiculous judging decisions, gimme opponents, and promoters trying to draw in the noobs.
I am not supporting or opposing it. I am just being a realist. Try not to take everything so personally and if you mistake my posting style for being angry or don't like big words then tough titties, life is short and that is your problem not mine.
If you really can't see the humour in me calling a mate like Fenster " and "all the boxers on earth" "full of shit", then there probably is not a big enough epic face palm available for you.
@Beanz
Someone's tired! 😂😂😂
Ok but Brooks would beat both Connor and Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanOh good god, his name is Conor, it is in the title of the thread, what is it with you and names @Master?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPaulie probably outboxed Colin and made him rethink his strategy to something unconventional as @Nameless suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
You know how much it winds me up
who the fucks brooks?
Here's at least an attempt at accurately determining the difference between boxing gloves and MMA gloves. According to the study, the difference in force is negligible. Add to that the psychological advantage the puncher might have wearing boxing gloves, and it would seem to disprove the notion that MMA gloves result in more knockouts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRmOOWPTRBs
It isn't only about force. It is also distribution of force. It's why you can lay on a bed of nails but you can't lay on one nail.
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.
But isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.
Well at least Mayweather won't have to worry about the eye pokes as a lot of mma guys have the ever extended 'jab' hand and fidgety fingers. Have to assume they are teaching Conor to keep it closed up and tight.
Thought this was amusing
https://youtu.be/fnjZstfk-g4
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Originally Posted by Ron SwansonBut isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.
Seems to me the interminable argument a few pages back was about the type of KO where "Johnny says night-night".
Using that as the basis, then it's just force we're contending with, which when striking a stationary object of a certain mass, will impart an acceleration which in turn will cause the resulting relative motion between brain and cranial cavity.
If anything, a more concentrated force is more likely to break bones (facial and hand). But the total force being practically the same with a boxing glove as with an MMA glove, means the effect on the opponent's brain will be practically the same.
Well then it's a silly hyper specific argument where the point is lost just so someone can be right. Add qualifiers add qualifiers. KOed is KOedQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonBut isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.
Seems to me the interminable argument a few pages back was about the type of KO where "Johnny says night-night".
Using that as the basis, then it's just force we're contending with, which when striking a stationary object of a certain mass, will impart an acceleration which in turn will cause the resulting relative motion between brain and cranial cavity.
If anything, a more concentrated force is more likely to break bones (facial and hand). But the total force being practically the same with a boxing glove as with an MMA glove, means the effect on the opponent's brain will be practically the same.
If anyone actually believes being punched by both gloves is the same all we know for certain is that person hasn't been punched by both gloves because it is vastly different. And that's a fact. Just try it, or ask anyone who has been hit by both. It isn't remotely the same.
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Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWell then it's a silly hyper specific argument where the point is lost just so someone can be right. Add qualifiers add qualifiers. KOed is KOedQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonBut isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.
Seems to me the interminable argument a few pages back was about the type of KO where "Johnny says night-night".
Using that as the basis, then it's just force we're contending with, which when striking a stationary object of a certain mass, will impart an acceleration which in turn will cause the resulting relative motion between brain and cranial cavity.
If anything, a more concentrated force is more likely to break bones (facial and hand). But the total force being practically the same with a boxing glove as with an MMA glove, means the effect on the opponent's brain will be practically the same.
If anyone actually believes being punched by both gloves is the same all we know for certain is that person hasn't been punched by both gloves because it is vastly different. And that's a fact. Just try it, or ask anyone who has been hit by both. It isn't remotely the same.
It wasn't MY silly hyper specific argument. ;)
I just attached a link from an actual study (as opposed to so much conjecture) and stated some facts.
Total force is total force. You apply X force to Y mass... you cause Z acceleration.
Of course getting punched with boxing gloves and MMA gloves will feel different. That's where the pressure (psi) aspect of it comes in.
I once a read a book called "beyond the ring" which was published about 30 years ago in which they describe the types of knock outs. There's an acceleration one, where the shot creates a momentum that drives a persons brain into the inside of the skull. There's the rebounding one where the momentum from the head is stopped suddenly and the brain already it motion carries itself into the skull after the skull has stopped or rebounded/reversed it direction and then there is another one can happen 2 ways, the bend of a neck is so severe that it pinches off the carotid artery stops blood flow to the brain momentarily or a punch that lands on the neck that requires little force to pinch off the artery and shut the brain down. I've seen the last one performed with open hand and a jabbing motion many times by little guys on much larger opponents. You don't have to have frightening power, big gloves, small gloves, or gloves at all. Just food for thought in the whole KO volley happening here.
I read this one a long time ago, but I believe i might have it around my desk at work. If i can find it, i'll revise this with the verbatim version.
Worst All Access ever?
https://youtu.be/qFPVemOp6Ac
Worst fight ever for the money it is making. Link not working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Kind of funny. Have seen at least 3 friends post that video of the imposter body builder as "McGregor" on that beach and then go on about him 'killing' Floyd. Clearly not boxing or mma fans ;D.
Yeah, the "event" will probably be a let down for most. But I'm getting plenty of entertainment seeing MMA fans opinions
This whole thing is a sham. Conor talking all this sh-t about Floyd but I don't remember him saying anything about Floyd beating up woman. Wouldn't that be a big part of your diss? Traveling on the same private jet and so on. I'm glad to hear tickets still haven't sold out. I'll probably watch, maybe at the local as a few mates are MMA fans and think CMac has a chance. If not then a stream will be fine.
Yesterday we was all round me mom n dad's for Sunday dinner, that means my sister and her 3 kids were round there.
The eldest two (8 and 11) were sitting down all day watching Conor McGregor fights on YouTube and telling me how he is going KO Floyd, I tried explaining to them why that won't happen but they were having none of it.
So Paulie has quit the training camp after two sessions after pictures were leaked.
First one shows McGregor flooring Paulie (Paulie says it was a push and that he actually beat the shit out of Conor)
He knows that Conor was the one that leaked them because only his official photographer was allowed into the sessions
He had literally touched down after a long flight and Dana White (think that's the dudes name) and all his cronies were there to meet Paulie and haul him straight off to a 12 round spa in front of the MMA fans
Or something like that, the circus continues.
Link?
If that's true it's pretty funny
Tons of links and pics. I'll try posting one...(It is a bitch).Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I actually created a new thread for this with a link and pics...but it crashed 3 times trying to post it, so I said screw it.
This is a great story as I hoped and suspected Paulie was outboxing him the sparring and now Paulie has said as much. He's screaming for the unedited footage of their most recent 12 round sparring match to be released.
https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/8/3...e-beat-his-ass
Paulie is a good assets to have in your camp. He can advise you and has great experience to share and I would have kept him especially with the money Colin will be earning.
However Paulie is finished as a fighter and if Colin is struggling with a retired fighter who got stopped by a domestic level fighter then how can Colin even compete with Floyd Mayweather?
This makes the fight even more pathetic than it is.
The levels of the fighters are so far apart.