Conor McGregor toys with Paulie Malinaggi in sparring?

[TitoFan]

It isn't only about force. It is also distribution of force. It's why you can lay on a bed of nails but you can't lay on one nail.

You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.

[Ron Swanson]

It isn't only about force. It is also distribution of force. It's why you can lay on a bed of nails but you can't lay on one nail.

You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.

But isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.

[Spicoli]

Well at least Mayweather won't have to worry about the eye pokes as a lot of mma guys have the ever extended 'jab' hand and fidgety fingers. Have to assume they are teaching Conor to keep it closed up and tight.

[Ron Swanson]

Thought this was amusing

https://youtu.be/fnjZstfk-g4

[TitoFan]

It isn't only about force. It is also distribution of force. It's why you can lay on a bed of nails but you can't lay on one nail.

You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.

But isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.

Seems to me the interminable argument a few pages back was about the type of KO where "Johnny says night-night".

Using that as the basis, then it's just force we're contending with, which when striking a stationary object of a certain mass, will impart an acceleration which in turn will cause the resulting relative motion between brain and cranial cavity.

If anything, a more concentrated force is more likely to break bones (facial and hand). But the total force being practically the same with a boxing glove as with an MMA glove, means the effect on the opponent's brain will be practically the same.

[Ron Swanson]

It isn't only about force. It is also distribution of force. It's why you can lay on a bed of nails but you can't lay on one nail.

You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.

But isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.

Seems to me the interminable argument a few pages back was about the type of KO where "Johnny says night-night".

Using that as the basis, then it's just force we're contending with, which when striking a stationary object of a certain mass, will impart an acceleration which in turn will cause the resulting relative motion between brain and cranial cavity.

If anything, a more concentrated force is more likely to break bones (facial and hand). But the total force being practically the same with a boxing glove as with an MMA glove, means the effect on the opponent's brain will be practically the same.

Well then it's a silly hyper specific argument where the point is lost just so someone can be right. Add qualifiers add qualifiers. KOed is KOed

If anyone actually believes being punched by both gloves is the same all we know for certain is that person hasn't been punched by both gloves because it is vastly different. And that's a fact. Just try it, or ask anyone who has been hit by both. It isn't remotely the same.

[TitoFan]

It isn't only about force. It is also distribution of force. It's why you can lay on a bed of nails but you can't lay on one nail.

You're right in total force vs distribution of force.
However, when assessing the effects of a punch to the chin on the opponent's brain, it's really only about total force.

But isn't this about KO's? Moving someone's brain is only one of many ways to KO someone. From my years of watching I'd say submitting is more common than people being asleep. People accepting the KO. It's a KO just the same.

Seems to me the interminable argument a few pages back was about the type of KO where "Johnny says night-night".

Using that as the basis, then it's just force we're contending with, which when striking a stationary object of a certain mass, will impart an acceleration which in turn will cause the resulting relative motion between brain and cranial cavity.

If anything, a more concentrated force is more likely to break bones (facial and hand). But the total force being practically the same with a boxing glove as with an MMA glove, means the effect on the opponent's brain will be practically the same.

Well then it's a silly hyper specific argument where the point is lost just so someone can be right. Add qualifiers add qualifiers. KOed is KOed

If anyone actually believes being punched by both gloves is the same all we know for certain is that person hasn't been punched by both gloves because it is vastly different. And that's a fact. Just try it, or ask anyone who has been hit by both. It isn't remotely the same.

It wasn't MY silly hyper specific argument.
I just attached a link from an actual study (as opposed to so much conjecture) and stated some facts.

Total force is total force. You apply X force to Y mass... you cause Z acceleration.
Of course getting punched with boxing gloves and MMA gloves will feel different. That's where the pressure (psi) aspect of it comes in.

[J_Undisputed]

I once a read a book called "beyond the ring" which was published about 30 years ago in which they describe the types of knock outs. There's an acceleration one, where the shot creates a momentum that drives a persons brain into the inside of the skull. There's the rebounding one where the momentum from the head is stopped suddenly and the brain already it motion carries itself into the skull after the skull has stopped or rebounded/reversed it direction and then there is another one can happen 2 ways, the bend of a neck is so severe that it pinches off the carotid artery stops blood flow to the brain momentarily or a punch that lands on the neck that requires little force to pinch off the artery and shut the brain down. I've seen the last one performed with open hand and a jabbing motion many times by little guys on much larger opponents. You don't have to have frightening power, big gloves, small gloves, or gloves at all. Just food for thought in the whole KO volley happening here.

I read this one a long time ago, but I believe i might have it around my desk at work. If i can find it, i'll revise this with the verbatim version.

[Ron Swanson]

Worst All Access ever?

https://youtu.be/qFPVemOp6Ac