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Quotes are getting way too long , but it’s no good saying “it doesn’t matter where it is” it does! If Team Wilder think the fight is worth $100 Million,( and it may well be) GREAT! Back your Man and give him what he wants.
It’s not about semantics, it’s not about hype, it’s not about who’s ducking who , put up or shut up!
My main point, which we veered from, is that if Hearn is serious about making a bonafide offer to Wilder, he shouldn't be a dick and offer a flat dollar figure when in fights like this it makes more sense to talk percentages. If it's a $50 million fight.... great. If it's $100 million... even better. Precisely BECAUSE no one knows for sure is the reason why a flat figure at this point is ridiculous and equivalent to not making a serious offer at all. That Team Wilder is shitty at negotiations is besides the point. Shame on them. But let them argue over whether it should be 60/40 or 70/30.
The Wilder vs AJ fight would by far be the biggest HW fight since Lewis vs Tyson. Nobody would pay to see Wilder beat on a fat old HW. Believe me if it is promoted right. We would see fat money coming from the U.S. and Europe.
You keep saying about Hearn and what he offered. Why don’t Team Wilder make Hearn/Joshua an offer if they’re not happy with what was offered?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Nobody is answering this , why?
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou keep saying about Hearn and what he offered. Why don’t Team Wilder make Hearn/Joshua an offer if they’re not happy with what was offered?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Nobody is answering this , why?
I'll ask them the next time I see them. ;)
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou keep saying about Hearn and what he offered. Why don’t Team Wilder make Hearn/Joshua an offer if they’re not happy with what was offered?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Nobody is answering this , why?
I'll ask them the next time I see them. ;)
Just got off the phone with them, expressed your concerns.... and they said they'll be making a counter offer within the next 48 hours.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news...-next-48-hours
Yep, and this was over 48 hours ago, and this is what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou keep saying about Hearn and what he offered. Why don’t Team Wilder make Hearn/Joshua an offer if they’re not happy with what was offered?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Nobody is answering this , why?
I'll ask them the next time I see them. ;)
Just got off the phone with them, expressed your concerns.... and they said they'll be making a counter offer within the next 48 hours.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news...-next-48-hours
Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
So Shelly is reported as saying “Team Wilder are gonna make a counter offer in the next couple of days!”
I cannot fucking wait! Only it won’t be an offer, will it?
What it’ll be is “GIVE US X AMOUNT” or WE’LL TAKE X %”
That is not an offer, that is saying “you give us”.
An offer is “We’ll give you” .
Be prepared for a lot more shit talk from all parties.
And this is what you said.
“Seriously? We're going to get into semantics now? They should be haggling over the splits, regardless of who gives what to whom.”
And guess what the “offer” was? It was EXACTLY how I said. #We’ll take 40%” that is not an offer! That is a beg/request for more money. They NEVER MADE AN “OFFER!”
Making this like Groundhog Day will not make it go away. If you haven’t got an answer, no problem, but don’t try to fudge over it with your “phone a friend” routine.;D
Ps. As you can see, I’m fucking useless at cut and pasting previous posts!
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, and this was over 48 hours ago, and this is what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou keep saying about Hearn and what he offered. Why don’t Team Wilder make Hearn/Joshua an offer if they’re not happy with what was offered?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Nobody is answering this , why?
I'll ask them the next time I see them. ;)
Just got off the phone with them, expressed your concerns.... and they said they'll be making a counter offer within the next 48 hours.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news...-next-48-hours
Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
So Shelly is reported as saying “Team Wilder are gonna make a counter offer in the next couple of days!”
I cannot fucking wait! Only it won’t be an offer, will it?
What it’ll be is “GIVE US X AMOUNT” or WE’LL TAKE X %”
That is not an offer, that is saying “you give us”.
An offer is “We’ll give you” .
Be prepared for a lot more shit talk from all parties.
And this is what you said.
“Seriously? We're going to get into semantics now? They should be haggling over the splits, regardless of who gives what to whom.”
And guess what the “offer” was? It was EXACTLY how I said. #We’ll take 40%” that is not an offer! That is a beg/request for more money. They NEVER MADE AN “OFFER!”
Making this like Groundhog Day will not make it go away. If you haven’t got an answer, no problem, but don’t try to fudge over it with your “phone a friend” routine.;D
Ps. As you can see, I’m fucking useless at cut and pasting previous posts!
Yes you are.
My bad. You had already seen that. Oh well.... it's really not a big deal, is it. They'll get there eventually, if they really want to fight. Good thing is.... we can wait one or two fights. Only danger there is one of them getting knocked out, and that would obviously bring down the value of a fight between them. Maybe a risk worth taking, I don't know.
I'll stick to my previous point, though. Offering $12.5 million on a fight that could foreseeably be worth $100 million is not much of an offer. If Hearn is playing the negotiating game, that's fine. Just don't go dragging the fight into Pac-Floyd territory, 'cause that will just piss everybody off.
My only question is when was the last time anyone ever saw anybody use the adverb foreseeably?
$12.5m represents 33% of the standard projected pot based on previous AJ events.
Has team Wilder still not come up with that $100 million then? Funny that....
Then it's not quite the 40% Wilder's team is expecting, is it.
No. That’s a shame isn’t it? Perhaps they need to hurry up with that counter offer then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
So.......
Wilder has gone kind of quiet. Did he lose his calculator ?
he is a little bitch who anyone could knock out --- I hope he KOs AJ but still Earnie Shavers would ****SMOKE HIS ASS****Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Dunno. Get @TitoFan to ring him again. He seems to have his finger on the pulse.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDunno. Get @TitoFan to ring him again. He seems to have his finger on the pulse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Team Wilder's testing my patience. My 2nd call was not very friendly, and now it seems they've agreed to meet with Hearn in New York.
Told them they don't want a 3rd call from me.
Tito is laying down the law with his finger on the pulse......💊💉💊💉✂✂💹💹💹
Don't feel like reading all of this and all the articles. Was the offer of 88 million plus upside for AJ and 12 million flat for Wilder the only offer?
fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You must have read something on the matter. Else how did you also come up with this nonsense $100m number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Certainly possible, saw it multiple places but it could be everyone regurgitating the same bad info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnerafake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Let me ask the question a different way, what offers have been made?
Didn't read a thing, there's just a bunch of boxing channels saying these numbers. I don't doubt they're wrong that's why I'm trying to find out what offers have been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisYou must have read something on the matter. Else how did you also come up with this nonsense $100m number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
FTR I think this fight makes far more than 100 million. But after TV companies take their splits 100 million did seem a dangerous guarantee
It seems nobody but Eddie has said anything? No yay, nay or even counter offer from Wilder
It has definitely gone quiet...
A lot of times quiet is a good thing though
How do you figure it makes far more than 100 million? And what TV splits are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonDidn't read a thing, there's just a bunch of boxing channels saying these numbers. I don't doubt they're wrong that's why I'm trying to find out what offers have been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisYou must have read something on the matter. Else how did you also come up with this nonsense $100m number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
FTR I think this fight makes far more than 100 million. But after TV companies take their splits 100 million did seem a dangerous guarantee
Well, getting 50 million in PPV in USA is rather easy, less than 1 million buys. I would imagine the biggest heavyweight fight since 2003 tops 1 million buys. Wilder has gotten great ratings for years fighting bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisHow do you figure it makes far more than 100 million? And what TV splits are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonDidn't read a thing, there's just a bunch of boxing channels saying these numbers. I don't doubt they're wrong that's why I'm trying to find out what offers have been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisYou must have read something on the matter. Else how did you also come up with this nonsense $100m number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
FTR I think this fight makes far more than 100 million. But after TV companies take their splits 100 million did seem a dangerous guarantee
We keep hearing about all this UK money so if it is what it is billed to be one would expect the more popular AJ to produce equal buy money or greater in the UK.
Add sponsors, TV rights around the world, gate and this pushes well past 100 million.
Not sure how UK TV money is split but in the US the providers take half.
Hearn and AJ said in an IFL interview today that if they were offered 50 million from Wilder for the fight (flat fee) they would take it.
Hearn also said that he believes the flat fee offer he made Wilder was 30 - 35% and claims his calculations are usually very accurate.
In my opinion Wilder should take the offer. Hes not bringing the crowd, TV deals or the money.
What was the flat fee offered, the rumored 12 million?
Feel like I’m trying to get juice from a stone 😂
That's just Eddie chatting shit, if he believed that the flat offer was going to be 30/35% then he would have offered 30/35% because that would have sounded more attractiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Right, there’s no point telling you because you’ll believe who you want to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Shelly Finkel said $12.5 million and HE SAID the fight is worth $100 million. (So put the fight on then!)
Which is where I’m guessing you got your “AJ is gonna get $88million” from presumably. Funny , but NOBODY has mentioned that.
All Hearn said was that the offer they gave was 30-35% of what he thought the fight is worth. Hearn did not tell all and sundry a figure because he negotiates properly.
Finkel then said they would make a counter offer in 48 hours. Naturally 48 hours came and went with no counter offer. All they said was they would accept 40%. But 40% of what??
If the fight makes the money Finkel thinks, then put the money up and make the fight in the States! Funnily enough that option hasn’t been mentioned by Finkel.
Like I said , believe what you want to believe. There you go. Don’t mention it.;)
He said the percentage from the start but people like you (no disrespect, mate) were saying why doesn't he tell us what % money it represents.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanThat's just Eddie chatting shit, if he believed that the flat offer was going to be 30/35% then he would have offered 30/35% because that would have sounded more attractiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
From day one he said the fight is worth 40-50 million and Wilder is worth about 20-30%.
It's utterly laughable that naive fans believe the guy offering some basic 101 promotion and standard reality is the bullshitter. As has been explained in this thread already, we have past AJ promotions to gauge the figures by, especially the Wlad fight. If it makes more it makes more but this is the basic ballpark.
I haven't heard him say that it is worth 40/50 million, I wasn't actually having a pop at Eddie, it's just part of the negotiations, he isn't going to go in and start with his best offer, he wants the best final outcome for AJ hence why he made a flat offer rather than a percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe said the percentage from the start but people like you (no disrespect, mate) were saying why doesn't he tell us what % money it represents.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanThat's just Eddie chatting shit, if he believed that the flat offer was going to be 30/35% then he would have offered 30/35% because that would have sounded more attractiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
From day one he said the fight is worth 40-50 million and Wilder is worth about 20-30%.
It's utterly laughable that naive fans believe the guy offering some basic 101 promotion and standard reality is the bullshitter. As has been explained in this thread already, we have past AJ promotions to gauge the figures by, especially the Wlad fight. If it makes more it makes more but this is the basic ballpark.
@Ron Swanson and everyone else. everything think you need to know on this fight in the statement below.
https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...wilder--127348
""People don't understand the simple economics and the reality of the situation. One guy is earning $2.5 million dollars and the other is earning ten times as much. ...."
https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...wilder--127348
Crap offer, appreciate the info. Seems the fight will happen exactly when Eddie told us it would happen a year ago, in 2019. Desperately hoping to be wrong but nobody accepts 12.5 for this fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Really it all seems above board and consistent with negotiations. Eddie knows this offer won’t be accepted but a counter off is required.
The only part that bothers me is playing the naive people “we’ll take 50 flat”, Eddie knows Wilders promoter can not afford to have 50 million and whatever Wilder’s guarantee is tied up for months. Because these guarantees are paid fight night. PPV money can trickle in for over a year. There is no reason for the deception.
If you are right there is no need to deceive.
Well I wasn't wrong was I ? I said you would believe what suited you. answer me these questions one by one if you could please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonCrap offer, appreciate the info. Seems the fight will happen exactly when Eddie told us it would happen a year ago, in 2019. Desperately hoping to be wrong but nobody accepts 12.5 for this fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
1. when did Eddie Hearn install US Boxing as his favourite charity?
2. Why does he have to always offer Wilder?
3. Why can't Wilder's team come up with an Offer?
I tell you what , I know how pissy you get about me "demanding" answers to questions, so I'll answer them .
1. he never did , but they just thing they have a divine right to fucking take the money without doing fuck all for it. They don't like the fact that after all these years , the boot is on the other foot. If they want the money , they have to come over the pond.
2. because Wilder is not marketed right and is probably the least money making US HW World Champion in History . Even Charles Martin has had a bigger purse than him so far ! ;D;D;D
3. Because they have no clout, no money and are full of shit! they pluck numbers out of the sky without having the cojones to back them up . If they believe the fight is worth double or triple what Hearn thinks it is, great , put it on in the States. Even make an attempt to. at least if they counter offerered to put it on in the US , we would know if AJ is ducking him if he turns it down.
Team Wilder have not come up with ONE FUCKING SINGLE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT for this fight, they just want Hearn to do it all.
This is nothing new. When Floyd was "the money" with the exception of Pacquiao , which other opponents in the last few years got anywhere near the percentage Finkel wants for Wilder?
One thing that we can all agree on and is a cast iron undisputable FACT is that so far, Matchroom are the only party to even make a financial offer to make this fight. Everybody else is happy to swing off their nuts while spouting off a load of Horseshit!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell I wasn't wrong was I ? I said you would believe what suited you. answer me these questions one by one if you could please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonCrap offer, appreciate the info. Seems the fight will happen exactly when Eddie told us it would happen a year ago, in 2019. Desperately hoping to be wrong but nobody accepts 12.5 for this fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
1. when did Eddie Hearn install US Boxing as his favourite charity?
2. Why does he have to always offer Wilder?
3. Why can't Wilder's team come up with an Offer?
I tell you what , I know how pissy you get about me "demanding" answers to questions, so I'll answer them .
1. he never did , but they just thing they have a divine right to fucking take the money without doing fuck all for it. They don't like the fact that after all these years , the boot is on the other foot. If they want the money , they have to come over the pond.
2. because Wilder is not marketed right and is probably the least money making US HW World Champion in History . Even Charles Martin has had a bigger purse than him so far ! ;D;D;D
3. Because they have no clout, no money and are full of shit! they pluck numbers out of the sky without having the cojones to back them up . If they believe the fight is worth double or triple what Hearn thinks it is, great , put it on in the States. Even make an attempt to. at least if they counter offerered to put it on in the US , we would know if AJ is ducking him if he turns it down.
Team Wilder have not come up with ONE FUCKING SINGLE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT for this fight, they just want Hearn to do it all.
This is nothing new. When Floyd was "the money" with the exception of Pacquiao , which other opponents in the last few years got anywhere near the percentage Finkel wants for Wilder?
One thing that we can all agree on and is a cast iron undisputable FACT is that so far, Matchroom are the only party to even make a financial offer to make this fight. Everybody else is happy to swing off their nuts while spouting off a load of Horseshit!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!
1)it's no charity to follow standard boxing protocol and offer a percentage, as every major fight has been done for decades
2)because Eddie is the bigger promoter with the bigger fighter. That's why Mayweather offered Hatton over and over, that's why he offered Shane repeatedly. But I'm sure you know this. Or at least I hope you do.
This idea that
Wilder isn't marketed right might have truth to it, but he still gets the highest
TV numbers going back years. This suggests he will help AJ sell PPVs in the US. AJ getting 400k viewers isn't going to sell in the US.
3)Wilders team can't come up with an offer because they are a small time unit. This doesn't help your point. It shows
Eddie is deceiving "we'll take a flat 50" first, he knows very well Wilders promoter can't have 5 0 million tied up for months waiting on PPV revenue to come in. So from start it is BS to fool fools. 2nd it doesn't even pair up with his previous lie. That this fight only makes 40 or 50 million. By his own words if the fight does as well as possible AJ gets all the money.
It's nonsense. Everyone here knows fights are done on percentages. AN offer that doesn't have a percentage is no offer at all. Eddie with Radio Raheem "we'll walk away, we can get rich with
NO RISK fights" he doesn't even say low risk, "no risk"
Do people pretend to not know boxing contracts or do they genuinely not know?
I mean, is it a secret they are done on percentages splits?
Is it a secret the bigger fighter makes the offers?