The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Primo Carnera]

@Ron Swanson and everyone else. everything think you need to know on this fight in the statement below.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...wilder--127348

[Ron Swanson]

@Ron Swanson and everyone else. everything think you need to know on this fight in the statement below.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...wilder--127348

Crap offer, appreciate the info. Seems the fight will happen exactly when Eddie told us it would happen a year ago, in 2019. Desperately hoping to be wrong but nobody accepts 12.5 for this fight

[Ron Swanson]

Really it all seems above board and consistent with negotiations. Eddie knows this offer won’t be accepted but a counter off is required.

The only part that bothers me is playing the naive people “we’ll take 50 flat”, Eddie knows Wilders promoter can not afford to have 50 million and whatever Wilder’s guarantee is tied up for months. Because these guarantees are paid fight night. PPV money can trickle in for over a year. There is no reason for the deception.

If you are right there is no need to deceive.

[Primo Carnera]

@Ron Swanson and everyone else. everything think you need to know on this fight in the statement below.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...wilder--127348

Crap offer, appreciate the info. Seems the fight will happen exactly when Eddie told us it would happen a year ago, in 2019. Desperately hoping to be wrong but nobody accepts 12.5 for this fight

Well I wasn't wrong was I ? I said you would believe what suited you. answer me these questions one by one if you could please.
1. when did Eddie Hearn install US Boxing as his favourite charity?
2. Why does he have to always offer Wilder?
3. Why can't Wilder's team come up with an Offer?

I tell you what , I know how pissy you get about me "demanding" answers to questions, so I'll answer them .

1. he never did , but they just thing they have a divine right to fucking take the money without doing fuck all for it. They don't like the fact that after all these years , the boot is on the other foot. If they want the money , they have to come over the pond.

2. because Wilder is not marketed right and is probably the least money making US HW World Champion in History . Even Charles Martin has had a bigger purse than him so far !
3. Because they have no clout, no money and are full of shit! they pluck numbers out of the sky without having the cojones to back them up . If they believe the fight is worth double or triple what Hearn thinks it is, great , put it on in the States. Even make an attempt to. at least if they counter offerered to put it on in the US , we would know if AJ is ducking him if he turns it down.
Team Wilder have not come up with ONE FUCKING SINGLE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT for this fight, they just want Hearn to do it all.
This is nothing new. When Floyd was "the money" with the exception of Pacquiao , which other opponents in the last few years got anywhere near the percentage Finkel wants for Wilder?

One thing that we can all agree on and is a cast iron undisputable FACT is that so far, Matchroom are the only party to even make a financial offer to make this fight. Everybody else is happy to swing off their nuts while spouting off a load of Horseshit!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!

[Ron Swanson]

@Ron Swanson and everyone else. everything think you need to know on this fight in the statement below.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...wilder--127348

Crap offer, appreciate the info. Seems the fight will happen exactly when Eddie told us it would happen a year ago, in 2019. Desperately hoping to be wrong but nobody accepts 12.5 for this fight

Well I wasn't wrong was I ? I said you would believe what suited you. answer me these questions one by one if you could please.
1. when did Eddie Hearn install US Boxing as his favourite charity?
2. Why does he have to always offer Wilder?
3. Why can't Wilder's team come up with an Offer?

I tell you what , I know how pissy you get about me "demanding" answers to questions, so I'll answer them .

1. he never did , but they just thing they have a divine right to fucking take the money without doing fuck all for it. They don't like the fact that after all these years , the boot is on the other foot. If they want the money , they have to come over the pond.

2. because Wilder is not marketed right and is probably the least money making US HW World Champion in History . Even Charles Martin has had a bigger purse than him so far !
3. Because they have no clout, no money and are full of shit! they pluck numbers out of the sky without having the cojones to back them up . If they believe the fight is worth double or triple what Hearn thinks it is, great , put it on in the States. Even make an attempt to. at least if they counter offerered to put it on in the US , we would know if AJ is ducking him if he turns it down.
Team Wilder have not come up with ONE FUCKING SINGLE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT for this fight, they just want Hearn to do it all.
This is nothing new. When Floyd was "the money" with the exception of Pacquiao , which other opponents in the last few years got anywhere near the percentage Finkel wants for Wilder?

One thing that we can all agree on and is a cast iron undisputable FACT is that so far, Matchroom are the only party to even make a financial offer to make this fight. Everybody else is happy to swing off their nuts while spouting off a load of Horseshit!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!

1)it's no charity to follow standard boxing protocol and offer a percentage, as every major fight has been done for decades

2)because Eddie is the bigger promoter with the bigger fighter. That's why Mayweather offered Hatton over and over, that's why he offered Shane repeatedly. But I'm sure you know this. Or at least I hope you do.

This idea that
Wilder isn't marketed right might have truth to it, but he still gets the highest
TV numbers going back years. This suggests he will help AJ sell PPVs in the US. AJ getting 400k viewers isn't going to sell in the US.

3)Wilders team can't come up with an offer because they are a small time unit. This doesn't help your point. It shows
Eddie is deceiving "we'll take a flat 50" first, he knows very well Wilders promoter can't have 5 0 million tied up for months waiting on PPV revenue to come in. So from start it is BS to fool fools. 2nd it doesn't even pair up with his previous lie. That this fight only makes 40 or 50 million. By his own words if the fight does as well as possible AJ gets all the money.

It's nonsense. Everyone here knows fights are done on percentages. AN offer that doesn't have a percentage is no offer at all. Eddie with Radio Raheem "we'll walk away, we can get rich with
NO RISK fights" he doesn't even say low risk, "no risk"

[Ron Swanson]

Do people pretend to not know boxing contracts or do they genuinely not know?

I mean, is it a secret they are done on percentages splits?

Is it a secret the bigger fighter makes the offers?

[Primo Carnera]

Nice try At deflecting the point in case Ron. But the $12.5 million figure was bought into the public domain by Finkel.
Hearn explained in the link (which you probably chose to ignore.) that this offer was based on 30-35% of what HE BELIEVES THE FIGHT IS WORTH. why does he have to take all the risks and base things on what Finkel thinks the fight will make?
Furthermore , he also explained that while certain people are talking about a $100 Million fight, by the time you take out all the costs and nett down the figures , that’s what he’s basing his offer on. Are you still with me, or have I lost you?
Now you talk about “everyone knows deals are based on percentages”, well yes. But you don’t offer based on the gross figure, sensible people offer on the nett after expenses. After all, why shouldn’t fighters take some of the risk as well. I mean, they are an important factor in this.
So in a nutshell, he DID offer a percentage, just not based on “Fantasy Finkel’s” figures.

[Primo Carnera]

Nice try At deflecting the point in case Ron. But the $12.5 million figure was bought into the public domain by Finkel.
Hearn explained in the link (which you probably chose to ignore.) that this offer was based on 30-35% of what HE BELIEVES THE FIGHT IS WORTH. why does he have to take all the risks and base things on what Finkel thinks the fight will make?
Furthermore , he also explained that while certain people are talking about a $100 Million fight, by the time you take out all the costs and nett down the figures , that’s what he’s basing his offer on. Are you still with me, or have I lost you?
Now you talk about “everyone knows deals are based on percentages”, well yes. But you don’t offer based on the gross figure, sensible people offer on the nett after expenses. After all, why shouldn’t fighters take some of the risk as well. I mean, they are an important factor in this.
So in a nutshell, he DID offer a percentage, just not based on “Fantasy Finkel’s” figures.
Finally, you try to defend Wilder’s team because they’re a small time unit. Well, they’re not that small they can’t pluck BIG numbers out of the air.
If you wanna play with the big boys, be prepared to get your fingers burnt.

[Batman]

Nice try At deflecting the point in case Ron. But the $12.5 million figure was bought into the public domain by Finkel.
Hearn explained in the link (which you probably chose to ignore.) that this offer was based on 30-35% of what HE BELIEVES THE FIGHT IS WORTH. why does he have to take all the risks and base things on what Finkel thinks the fight will make?
Furthermore , he also explained that while certain people are talking about a $100 Million fight, by the time you take out all the costs and nett down the figures , that’s what he’s basing his offer on. Are you still with me, or have I lost you?
Now you talk about “everyone knows deals are based on percentages”, well yes. But you don’t offer based on the gross figure, sensible people offer on the nett after expenses. After all, why shouldn’t fighters take some of the risk as well. I mean, they are an important factor in this.
So in a nutshell, he DID offer a percentage, just not based on “Fantasy Finkel’s” figures.
Finally, you try to defend Wilder’s team because they’re a small time unit. Well, they’re not that small they can’t pluck BIG numbers out of the air.
If you wanna play with the big boys, be prepared to get your fingers burnt.

you can say that again

[Ron Swanson]

Nice try At deflecting the point in case Ron. But the $12.5 million figure was bought into the public domain by Finkel.
Hearn explained in the link (which you probably chose to ignore.) that this offer was based on 30-35% of what HE BELIEVES THE FIGHT IS WORTH. why does he have to take all the risks and base things on what Finkel thinks the fight will make?
Furthermore , he also explained that while certain people are talking about a $100 Million fight, by the time you take out all the costs and nett down the figures , that’s what he’s basing his offer on. Are you still with me, or have I lost you?
Now you talk about “everyone knows deals are based on percentages”, well yes. But you don’t offer based on the gross figure, sensible people offer on the nett after expenses. After all, why shouldn’t fighters take some of the risk as well. I mean, they are an important factor in this.
So in a nutshell, he DID offer a percentage, just not based on “Fantasy Finkel’s” figures.
Finally, you try to defend Wilder’s team because they’re a small time unit. Well, they’re not that small they can’t pluck BIG numbers out of the air.
If you wanna play with the big boys, be prepared to get your fingers burnt.

Say it all you want, it’s just wrong. Why not make it simple and offer him 35%. You and I both know the answer. FTR Wilder has responded offering the flat 50 AJ said he wanted. Bet AJ doesn’t accept, why, we both know why, not because AJ is scared, because NOBODY accepts a flat fee when a percentage is worth more

[TitoFan]

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...wilder--127348



This is a peach of a comment from Hearn:

"Joshua has overpaid his opponents. He overpaid Charles Martin, he overpaid Dillian Whyte, he overpaid Breazeale, he overpaid Takam, he overpaid Parker. We ain't doing it again. We're not going to overpay Deontay Wilder for this fight."





Oh..... ok. Joshua makes a habit of overpaying opponents, and now that the prospect of one of the biggest HW title fights in decades is looming, with the US suddenly being in the picture...... NOW he decides he's not going to overpay Wilder, but rather stuff him with a pitiful offer take it or leave it.

Classic shit.

[Beanz]

How does Wider being offered his biggest ever offer, a rematch clause and a chance to make history and claim all the belts, somehow become "he is getting stuffed"?

12 million not 12 cents. I don't think he even wants to fight Whyte let alone Joshua.