Was Mahatma Gandhi a racist?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Guys, race itself is a social construct....it's why literally ANYONE can give literally ANYONE ELSE a blood transfusion, an organ and/or bone marrow transplant....THEY want you to think race is a thing, but it's soooo not, neither is blood type or whatever matching human leukocyte antigen's is for pussies you just pay no mind to the social constructs and you fucking do it like a champ.


@TitoFan some cultures value education, some don't. Some cultures believe that their success honors their family and their shame shames the family and other cultures don't. Not all cultures are equal.

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This is just your way of justifying an invented narrative. It has nothing to do with Science, which is why you rather than address what i say, you constantly resort to inserting arguments i never made. If you think life is all about winning you are no better than an ape. What you feel is right and your feelings about 'race' mean fuck all. Facts Lyle.


'There is no necessary concordance between biological characteristics and culturally defined groups. On every continent, there are diverse populations that differ in language, economy, and culture. There is no national, religious, linguistic or cultural group or economic class that constitutes a race.'


http://physanth.org/about/position-s...-aspects-race/

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Guys, race itself is a social construct....it's why literally ANYONE can give literally ANYONE ELSE a blood transfusion, an organ and/or bone marrow transplant....THEY want you to think race is a thing, but it's soooo not, neither is blood type or whatever matching human leukocyte antigen's is for pussies you just pay no mind to the social constructs and you fucking do it like a champ.


@TitoFan some cultures value education, some don't. Some cultures believe that their success honors their family and their shame shames the family and other cultures don't. Not all cultures are equal.

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Race and organ compatibility

In almost every case, race does not affect compatibility. Organs such as heart, liver, and lungs can be donated by a person of one race and transplanted into a person of another race.

However, genetic matches between kidney and pancreas donors and recipients are important. A donated kidney within the same
race will have a higher degree of compatibility. Ethnic donors can help other people from culturally diverse origins waiting for transplants.

Caucasian recipients and ethnic donors

Some people believe that Caucasians receive preference in donation over individuals from other ethnic backgrounds. In fact, organ and tissue allocation as a policy is based on medical compatibility and severity of illness. Moreover, nine out of ten African-Americans who undergo an organ transplant receive those organs from Caucasian donors.


http://www.donoralliance.org

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Originally Posted by Beanz

This is just your way of justifying an invented narrative. It has nothing to do with Science, which is why you rather than address what i say, you constantly resort to inserting arguments i never made. If you think life is all about winning you are no better than an ape. What you feel is right and your feelings about 'race' mean fuck all. Facts Lyle.


'There is no necessary concordance between biological characteristics and culturally defined groups. On every continent, there are diverse populations that differ in language, economy, and culture. There is no national, religious, linguistic or cultural group or economic class that constitutes a race.'


http://physanth.org/about/position-s...-aspects-race/

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Ok then if you say so.

You know, we're all very lucky to have a poster like you....I mean before you came around nobody was able to read between the lines like you, you know, tell other posters what they REALLY meant.


You're a credit to your ummm phylum :-X

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Originally Posted by Beanz

Race and organ compatibility

In almost every case, race does not affect compatibility. Organs such as heart, liver, and lungs can be donated by a person of one race and transplanted into a person of another race.

However, genetic matches between kidney and pancreas donors and recipients are important. A donated kidney within the same
RACE will have a higher degree of compatibility. Ethnic donors can help other people from culturally diverse origins waiting for transplants.

Caucasian recipients and ethnic donors

Some people believe that Caucasians receive preference in donation over individuals from other ethnic backgrounds. In fact, organ and tissue allocation as a policy is based on medical compatibility and severity of illness. Moreover, nine out of ten African-Americans who undergo an organ transplant receive those organs from Caucasian donors.


http://www.donoralliance.org

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A donated kidney within the same what now? ;D



I'm happy for when organs can be used to save lives, I'm happy when blood and bone marrow can be used to save lives, but it's not mean or nasty or negative to note that people are different and those different people (100% of humanity I'm talking here) should be giving of their blood (if they want), giving of their organs (if they so choose), and giving of their bone marrow (should they so choose) because people genetically similar to them might need bone marrow, they might need blood transfusions, they might need organs....it's important.


I remember that being driven home to me when I learned of former baseball great Rod Carew whose daughter struggled with acute myeloid leukemia but her very rare ethnic mix made it extremely difficult to find a good match. Her father was black with West Indian and Panamanian roots and her mother was of Russian-Jewish ancestry. Carew pleaded for those of similar ethnic background to come forward. When no matching bone marrow donor was found, an umbilical cord blood transplant was performed in March 1996. Michelle died on April 17, 1996 at the age of 18....it's a tragic story and as someone who has had friends with leukemia back when we were young young, when it was an absolute death sentence for a child yeah it's weighed on my mind a bit over the years.



So yeah I have some gallows humor, yeah I am not politically correct, but in this case....yes there's some genetic things that need to be specific in order for everything to end up ok when doing a transfusion or donation....that's all I'm saying just in a crass manner....didn't mean for you to get irked by it. My apologies



I'm an organ donor...I need to donate blood more often, and I do need to bite the bullet and do the marrow donation. I give good blood though...O Neg baby, universal donor

Don't know who would want my kidneys or liver though....:headscratch: ....I mean I am making pretty good use of those at the moment

Lyle. I am not Irked. I don't think you are being mean or nasty . Stop Projecting and fucking read something for once in your life.

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Lyle. I am not Irked. I don't think you are being mean or nasty . Stop Projecting and fucking read something for once in your life.

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OK then...why take issue with my post?

OK then ...why take issue with my post?

I'm not projecting, at the end of the day I'm just saying race means more than nothing but it ain't everything.....what's the crime with that? Oh I posted it...yeah yeah I get it, no worries...as you were :rolleyes:

Whether race "exists" or not is not an argument I personally would spend too much time on. These things have a tendency to get all convoluted and wrapped up in semantics, word games, and braniac contests. My laser focus here is on racism, since the thread title is "Was Gandhi a racist?" Whether race is a social construct, whether it doesn't exist, whether there's some other spinoff I don't know about...... racism exists and is very real. Racism to me is the dislike and/or broad-brushing of a group of people... call them what you will.... based on appearance or origin. "I don't like black people"...... "Muslims are all bad"....... "Japanese are the most intelligent"...... all those phrases smack of racism. They generalize, based on limited experiences and sometimes just hearsay. Racism or prejudice, if you prefer, isn't the end of the world. It just needs to be acknowledged. As people become more educated, more mature in life, and more traveled.... they tend to lose some of their racist beliefs. With some people it's harder, because they come from very racist backgrounds. If your father, grandfather, great-grandfather etc. were all racist, it's a bit more difficult to shed those beliefs. The Jackie Robinson movie "42" had a pretty good scene in it with Jackie Robinson getting yelled at by racists at the ballpark, with a little boy unsure as to what to do, until he sees everyone including his father yelling at Jackie. At that point the kid starts yelling too, though probably not sure why.

Tito, I know this will sound racist, but the reason you know people who have struggled with tests is because they were not smart enough to do those tests. Puerto Rico has a relatively low IQ and some of that will be genetic and some of that will be cultural (50% single mother rate, less focus on education etc). You are obviously pretty smart and stand out from the average.

If we are going to blame culture for a lack of attainment, and we should in part, it does not mean everyone is thrown under a bus or anything like that. I was from a poor, broken family and had no problems passing tests. I certainly had zero academic encouragement. I am not saying I am great, but nothing is particularly flawed. My B in maths was because that was where I was at. Maybe with smart parents to help me more I could have got an A.I didn't have that, I don't blame the test. I got A's in other subjects instead. And when older and motivated worked hard for an MA distinction. I am likely above average despite poor origins. You can rise beyond your cultural limitations. If you are bad at tests it is because your intelligence is likely flawed.

Beanz the Bell curve is only feared because of what it says. Whence scientists terrified of going near IQ in 'multicultural' times in a PC world. You get no more research into it as Universities do not want to touch it. It is taboo.

It wouldn't be racist if they were white people doing the test though. Racism does not exist for them. And there are plenty of stupid white people too. I know, I went to school with some of them. Still, I wouldn't blame the test.

My point being that we can help raise intelligence by choosing good partners, educating kids ourselves, getting tutors if we have money, and so forth. 70% single mother rates in the US is one reason why black IQ rates are in the mid 80's. You have to be raised to not have a Denilson sized chip on your shoulder, not hate men or follow the welfare example, listen to your teachers and try your best. That can no doubt be improved. At least in my opinion. Reject how your parents did it and do it your way. A better way. My youth was no different to a poor black person it was just that I found freedom in books and games.

If I can do reasonably well with no support and from a broken family, imagine what I could do with my own child and my reflective approach to home teaching and also an intelligent mother? Alas it will never happen, but I think that is how you raise intelligence. I would also be stealing the genes of my wife too. So kind of cheating.

I think in Beanz case it is partly genetic too. Unfortunately if your parents are dumb, separated, and you have a bad attitude then you will struggle and the cycle will continue. That's just reality. Teach your kids something! But many don't know or care about raising kids. Look at the West. We mostly leave it all to the schools. Noam Chomsky was not raised like that and it shows.

I am destroying the thread here, but seriously. Who watched TV in Noam Chomsky's day? Today people are watching reality TV, soaps and singing contests. And they cannot even find a partner who will stick around. No wonder kids are all over the place. "What's for dinner Mum" says little Sally with her Mum glued to the screen. "Stick something in the microwave. I'm busy" "Yes Mum". She is left alone with her homework and nobody tells her she is silly when she ends up taking on a sociology course at University with little more prospect than 40 grand of debt and a job in retail to try and pay it off. That's if she doesn't get pregnant at 16 first. It is a lottery and is awful. In the old days people read books and interacted. Sure, many young people play games too, but those tend to be the smarter kids, but what they are doing is stinting themselves socially instead. The Asperger's Crew tend to do pretty well on IQ tests of course.

And no I wasn't that stinted socially. I played for the cricket team and spent the weekends in the pub. :rolleyes:

Miles, if you want to keep peddling that "IQ is attached to race" B.S. there's nothing I or anyone else can say that will keep you from doing it. Maybe you'll grow out of those beliefs... maybe you won't. We'll agree to disagree. Suffice it to say there's plenty of scientific evidence and papers out there backing up what I've said about IQ tests.

I'll also clear up a little something for you, since you seem to have me pegged wrong. When I referred to people who have trouble with tests, regardless of them being very intelligent, I was referring to people in many of the different places I've lived, including the U.S. I'm sorry if the idea of poor test takers is new to you... it's a well-known fact to many of us with college degrees. Some very highly intelligent people get nervous when taking tests and tend to do poorly. Yet others with less intelligence are adept at performing under pressure and thus tend to well in tests. I thought everyone knew this.... I guess I was wrong.

As long as you clutch to your beliefs of some races being superior and more intelligent than others, you'll be keeping this cloak on yourself which prevents you from actually getting to know people in depth. Wasn't it you who posted that trash YouTube from that Japanese fellow and tried to pawn it off as the truth? Only to find that there was a rebuke from a much more intelligent and mature Japanese young fellow who made the first guy look like a fool.

Differences in intelligence, athletic ability, hand-eye coordination, emotional intelligence, etc. are best studied on individual basis.... not broad-brushed like we like to do just about anything else in society.

You'll find brilliant, overachieving, successful professionals from all races, countries, ethnicities, and in general walks of life. But I suppose you'll write those off as exceptions to your "race rules".

Oh well..... c'est la vie.

You will find I reach the same conclusion as in your final paragraph except that I am not blind to the FACT that differentials in IQ between race exist. It's a topic I have looked into extensively and it is just the way it is right now. The average Japanese person has a higher IQ than the average Puerto Rican and that is just a fact. It is not racist. Of course you are going to meet Americans who struggle with tests of intelligence. People will anywhere, but how many will depend upon where they come from, the parenting, schooling, genetics, a variety of factors. At the end of the day if it is too hot in the kitchen and you cannot cook the dish on time then you are not cut out to be a chef.

I know full well what test anxiety is having been designing and administering tests for many years. In truth, you don't see as much of it as you would think. Written tests mostly show what you are capable of. Now oral tests are harder, but again, mostly reflect classroom performance levels. IQ is a different kind of test, but if you have anxiety then you need psychological help of some kind or else simply are not able to do the work. I doubt Americans have more test anxiety than any other groups anyway.

Here's a case that'll warm your heart, Miles. Controversy in a California high school over a science fair project that sets out to prove that "students of African American, Latino and South Asian descent didn’t have the intelligence to participate in the school’s Humanities and International Studies (HISP) college preparatory program". I would call that racist and inflammatory, but I suppose it's right up your alley. Blacks, Latinos, and South Asian all rolled up into the same disposable, low-IQ ball. Cute. A convenient way to further racist agendas, veiled and masquerading as a science project.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/ed...201449649.html


This is the type of useless drivel that keeps propagating the same racist beliefs from the old generations to the new generations. This inexplicable need to pigeon-hole people into tidy little groups.

I'm more of the technical, math and physics persuasion..... and human behavior is not my forte. So I like my studies "un-flawed", based on solid premises. When a study or test is subject to controversy and opposing facts, I tend to shy away from anything borne from those studies or tests. IMO, you seem too willing to embrace something which has long been deemed flawed and controversial. It's an old and unwinnable argument, I'm afraid. As long as there are people with agendas or axes to grind, there will be tests, measures, graphs, and "proof" to make their points. Sad, really.

I could bore you with personal facts and observations from a lifetime of experience that would shoot your IQ fantasies down, Miles. But in 13 years I've never made a habit out of putting my personal life on the forum. So you just keep on playing with your IQ-by-country blocks and using them for your grand observations on races and ethnicities, telling everyone who should have children and who shouldn't. I'm convinced you'll mature someday and look back on this with some amusement.

I think you are getting emotional now, Tito. Personal facts and observations are hardly going to shoot down statistical evidence which indeed suggests that there are IQ differentials between races. Believe me, I think it is a horrible thing and that is why I do make suggestions like making sure you have the material, emotional and dual parental capacity to give your child the best shot you can. In a multicultural melting pot like America IQ should all things considered be an average of around 100 points among each of the races, but that does not appear to be the case. This suggests a combination of genetic, environmental, developmental etc differences at work. That's what I was trying to say earlier, when I said I have done okay despite bad parenting, so in that sense environmental factors did not hinder me and that is where I do agree with your concluding paragraph. I would like it to be more of an environmental issue though. The lack of dual parenting, the lack of goal inspiring dual parenting, a lack of nutrition, bad cultural influences, whatever. I do not want it to be genetic. However, it does seemingly exist as a factor and this is how it is.

On the flip side of the negativity that you are talking about, I see it as more of a positive and that we need to kick certain groups up the arse and tell them to do better and to maybe not allow kids to be used as a tool to claim welfare. Clean up your own room before you have a child and at least in that sense the child might stand a chance. Don't get pregnant to some low IQ bloke who will go to prison and then you as a low IQ Mum are now also giving your child yet more obstacles? That is a messy, messy room. Like you yourself have pointed out. In Asia they tend to have tidier rooms. I would like that to be the difference, but it isn't clear that it is whence the IQ numbers within America itself. Is it racist to point out data? I don't think so. Some can use it in dark ways, I prefer to look at it as a positive means to improve things and it does not mean Communism.

Why don't people from the Congo score as high as people from Korea? Why aren't there that many astrophysicists from Yemen as opposed to from Germany? Why are the top neurosurgeons in the world not from Venezuela or the Dominican Republic? Why didn't Cameroon or Laos go to the Moon? Why was Albert Einstein a German Jew? Why was Isaac Newton an Englishmen? Why was Copernicus a Pole? Why was Christian Huygens Scandinavian? Why was the human genome decoded by Japanese and German and Australian and American scientists, and not by Haitian and Indonesian and Nigerian and Mexican scientists?

The Ashkenazi Jews score way higher than anyone else in the IQ contest. Noam Chomsky is of course one and they tend to be very highly represented in academia and positions of influence. I am hardly crying that I am not one and that Noam Chomsky is smarter than me. There are differentials and we have to accept and come to terms with it, but if possible to read more Chomsky and try and learn something from him too. I don't think he would be happy with the IQ debate.

I know this that Armenians are very very high up in the world in astrophysics as are the Indians

Personally I just accept that there are differences between people and do of course treat everyone as an individual. I am hardly conversing with a cold Hannibal Lector look in my eye thinking 'What is the IQ of this specimen?' In most day to day things it is kind of irrelevant. It only matters if you become a scientist, or an engineer, or astrophysicist, those kinds of things. I don't see the fuss but then again I really do not consider myself particularly racist or even nefarious. I just accept things because that's the way they are. We have natural highs and lows and gradients between. My cat is smart but clearly no match for the IQ test despite being called Chomsky. I think no less of her and love her all the same. It's not a contest.

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Lyle. I am not Irked. I don't think you are being mean or nasty . Stop Projecting and fucking read something for once in your life.

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OK then...why take issue with my post?

OK then ...why take issue with my post?

I'm not projecting, at the end of the day I'm just saying race means more than nothing but it ain't everything.....what's the crime with that? Oh I posted it...yeah yeah I get it, no worries...as you were :rolleyes:

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The problem is rather than add a page to your book your scribbled all over it ripped it out and screwed it into a ball. Surely you don't think National Geographic and The American Anthropological Society are all lefty sjws? Or do you just think you know better than anyone about everything? It's hardly irrelevant the quotes are backed up with sources unlike your memes and the fake news and disinformation you flood the site with.

There is often way more genetic difference between two black people than a black person and a white person. It's not semantics it just demonstrates how 'race' is more about appearance than anything else. Literally skin deep.

Not all cultures is another argument.

Look at Freedoms opening post and it's about denial. He groups blacks, whites etc and tries to argue a correlation that is not there. Whites are not oppressed.

The world is diverse and complicated and you and Freedom are trying to deny that reality. Ghandi had lots in common with people all over the world, which is why his stand against the barbarity of the British Empire in India was so universally admired. Was he a Saint? Of course not, I think it was Hitchens who pointed out Ghandis desire to put a spinning wheel in each home etc was only the tip of his aversion to modernity. He wanted to get rid of railways, lawyers, doctors, electricity etc.

Ghandis pacifism extended into stupidity arguing that if the Jews embraced his non violent actions they would melt Hitlers heart.

So it does not surprise me that good people can do bad things or that Ghandi was a racist just like most of us are not surprised that evil child abusing, corpse shagging bastards like Saville can do good things. Like raising millions for the Hospitals that housed the morgue he probably swiped the shrouds off like a real world twisted version of Tinder.

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Why don't people from the Congo score as high as people from Korea? Why aren't there that many astrophysicists from Yemen as opposed to from Germany? Why are the top neurosurgeons in the world not from Venezuela or the Dominican Republic? Why didn't Cameroon or Laos go to the Moon? Why was Albert Einstein a German Jew? Why was Isaac Newton an Englishmen? Why was Copernicus a Pole? Why was Christian Huygens Scandinavian? Why was the human genome decoded by Japanese and German and Australian and American scientists, and not by Haitian and Indonesian and Nigerian and Mexican scientists?

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According to Miles, because:

Koreans are born smarter than Congolese
Germans are born smarter than Yemenis
Venezuelans and Dominicans aren't smart enough at birth
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etc

It's programmed into their DNA, and there's no escaping it.

In fact, you take a Congolese baby from Congolese parents.... remove him from his environment and into a foster home in Germany.... give him a typical German upbringing.... and he'll still be a flunkie.

Why d o we have to take the Congolese kid and bring him to Germany in order for him to have been raised in a country with a a super high educational system?

Why isn't Congo already in possession of a super high-quality educational system????

That was a Nifty little pivot Tito but it still comes back to the same question

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The problem is rather than add a page to your book your scribbled all over it ripped it out and screwed it into a ball. Surely you don't think National Geographic and The American Anthropological Society are all lefty sjws? Or do you just think you know better than anyone about everything? It's hardly irrelevant the quotes are backed up with sources unlike your memes and the fake news and disinformation you flood the site with.

There is often way more genetic difference between two black people than a black person and a white person. It's not semantics it just demonstrates how 'race' is more about appearance than anything else. Literally skin deep.

Not all cultures is another argument.

Look at Freedoms opening post and it's about denial. He groups blacks, whites etc and tries to argue a correlation that is not there. Whites are not oppressed.

The world is diverse and complicated and you and Freedom are trying to deny that reality. Ghandi had lots in common with people all over the world, which is why his stand against the barbarity of the British Empire in India was so universally admired. Was he a Saint? Of course not, I think it was Hitchens who pointed out Ghandis desire to put a spinning wheel in each home etc was only the tip of his aversion to modernity. He wanted to get rid of railways, lawyers, doctors, electricity etc.

Ghandis pacifism extended into stupidity arguing that if the Jews embraced his non violent actions they would melt Hitlers heart.

So it does not surprise me that good people can do bad things or that Ghandi was a racist just like most of us are not surprised that evil child abusing, corpse shagging bastards like Saville can do good things. Like raising millions for the Hospitals that housed the morgue he probably swiped the shrouds off like a real world twisted version of Tinder.

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National Geographic at the very least didn't USED to be all lefties.

The American Anthropological Society? Not sure, let's take a gander at Anthropology in general...
https://i.imgur.com/EuFuwRn.jpg

....oh...well you certainly can't draw any conclusions from THAT :-X

"There is often way more genetic difference between two black people than a black person and a white person".....I don't even disagree with you but PLEASE hammer home your inane point which at the end of the day ends up being genetics matter in blood transfusion, organ and bone marrow transplants FACT.

"Look at Freedom'.....yeah Freedom answers for Freedom, I don't answer for him.

Gandhi indeed had a lot in common with other people of the era even to the extent he called blacks Kaffirs which is why in Ghana they want his statue at the University taken away. I think Gandhi accomplished more good than harm, but hey what's a statue if it can't be torn down?

I don't even know what the hell you're on about with Saville....yeah he helped charities as he helped himself, he was an evil disgraceful slimeball and he was allowed to do that much the same manner Sandusky was allowed to at Penn State...same deal, charity work with kids, kids end up being the victims....or Boystown.

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According to Miles, because:

Koreans are born smarter than Congolese
Germans are born smarter than Yemenis
Venezuelans and Dominicans aren't smart enough at birth
etc
etc
etc

It's programmed into their DNA, and there's no escaping it.

In fact, you take a Congolese baby from Congolese parents.... remove him from his environment and into a foster home in Germany.... give him a typical German upbringing.... and he'll still be a flunkie.

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I get what you're saying Tito, but at the same time I see universities telling Asian students they have to be absolutely perfect in order to get in, white males ditto, and everyone else has some slack because these places of higher education need diversity.

It's hard to reconcile "Everyone has the potential for genius" and "A 100 for an Asian student really equals an 80 and an 80 for a Black student equals 110". It may also be a disservice to make admission easier for some students only for them to have trouble when they finally go to class at the university....could set some folks up for failure which I don't think is very healthy. Then again, some folks might rise to the occasion. I don't know, but I know focusing on diversity at school means the actual education part comes second and I don't much like that.

Well Brock, I would bore you (and Miles) with details about Africa's history in general, and how interactions between African nations and the rest of the world have shaped Africa's present, but it's much simpler and less cumbersome to subscribe to the theory that Africans are just inferior from birth. So if the Congolese don't have a "super, high-quality educational system", it's because they're dumber and they can't help it because it's in their DNA. We good?

I don't make the data Tito. Peterson and Harris have interpreted the same things from the existing research too, so it is not only me. These men are far more knowledgeable than I. You are also misepresenting my arguments. I have said that I would like it to be environmental, but we cannot rule out that genetics are at work. It seems that genetics might well be a factor. Global IQ is falling not rising. The smarter the population is the less children they are likely to have. It is falling because less intelligent people have far less restraint and it seems generational patterns repeat more often than they do not.

You get smart and stupid people in every country, it's just that some countries have more or less than others. If there are no differences in race then why are Asian students having to sue Harvard because they are seemingly being pushed out due to racist quota systems for other races? They are smart, Tito.

If it is all about the family and environment then why are we promoting family situations that can only make non Asians even less competitive? Cultural Marxism reduces downwards instead of aspiring upwards and rewards poor behavior that results in yet more IQ differentials. Now that is my take on it. Even North Koreans have an average IQ of 105.

The Marxist attitude is that it is all economic, the cultural Marxist that it is environmental, the logical one is that it is a bit of both but maybe even some genetics and good old nutrition too. Inbreeding which is quite prevalent in the Middle East will also result in physical and mental decline. Kids who are not breast fed also risk losing intellectual capacity. All kinds of factors at work. So, yes, it seems differences do exist. I cannot help that being so. It doesn't bother me. It seems to have you in a tizzy though.

Amazing that EVERYTHING comes down to politics for you Lyle, that is laughable. Why should anyone value anything you say when all you want to do is talk down to everyone including those with considerably more expertise than yourself? And no I am not talking about myself.


You have zero credibility. You have openly and knowingly spread and posted complete fabrications of reality here on Saddo, Fake News, invented outrage etc and now you want to just make up other peoples replies. Freedom is relevant because it's his thread you plonker.


Everyone here puts their cards on the table yet you are curiously silent about your own work, maybe that would help others understand where the fucking hell your head is at. You want to discredit Anthropology because their are no registered Republicans in the 'study' you pulled out of your arse? ;D

Fucking hell man you are reaching now

I believe we're all born with the same brain, Miles. And any difference in mental capacity yes... it's due to genetics. But genetics in a different way than is being pushed by the "my country is better than your country" agenda. Two extremely intelligent people have a child together... chances are their offspring will be extremely intelligent also. Two people with underdeveloped mental capacities have a child together, yes..... chances are their offspring won't grow up to be rocket scientists either. But in the rush to attribute this to skin color, country of origin, etc., these so-called "social scientists" are all too willing to accept flawed studies and pass them off as gospel. Ask yourself, in the end.... what is the confounding importance of ranking countries by so-called IQ... other than to perpetuate the feelings of hatred, superiority and bigotry we're supposed to be trying to eliminate?

I'll part with my customs and give you a personal anecdote.

I was born in New York from Puerto Rican parents. While still a toddler, my dad decided he'd rather raise his children in Puerto Rico, so we moved down here. I was raised here, with occasional trips to the States when my dad was transferred (federal job). My parents stressed the importance of higher education, so me and most of my siblings got our college degrees, and have had professional success in life. I've been blessed with success in my personal life as well, and I attribute that to the values instilled in me by my parents, most notably my father, who I always considered to be a very wise man and a wonderful father.

By contrast, I have some cousins from my mother's side who were born in New York and were raised there their entire lives. They did not have the same type of parental guidance... my aunt and uncle split up while my cousins were still very young. My aunt, who I love dearly, was horrible at raising her kids and thus lost them to outside, street influences. Without going into too much detail, most of my cousins have been abject failures in life. As an example, my father always instilled the importance of retaining our native language (Spanish), even as we were learning English. By contrast, my cousins don't speak Spanish, and the English they speak isn't anything to write home about.


If you take my story, and extrapolate it to other races and ethnicities, you might find similar circumstances.

Now, I'm not trying to convince you and Brock to change your opinions, 'cause I know you won't. But just to say that just like you think I'm wrong, I also believe you are wrong.

Once you're born you're immediately immersed into an environment which will shape your very existence from the second you are born. How can all of these factors not have a 100% bearing on how successful you'll be.... how smart you'll become... how mature you'll be in life.... how well-balanced you'll be. It's common sense. To try and attach that to color or country is ridiculous, IMO.

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Amazing that EVERYTHING comes down to politics for you Lyle, that is laughable. Why should anyone value anything you say when all you want to do is talk down to everyone including those with considerably more expertise than yourself? And no I am not talking about myself.


You have zero credibility. You have openly and knowingly spread and posted complete fabrications of reality here on Saddo, Fake News, invented outrage etc and now you want to just make up other peoples replies. Freedom is relevant because it's his thread you plonker.


Everyone here puts their cards on the table yet you are curiously silent about your own work, maybe that would help others understand where the fucking hell your head is at. You want to discredit Anthropology because their are no registered Republicans in the 'study' you pulled out of your arse? ;D

Fucking hell man you are reaching now

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To be fair you were the one who asked if NatGeo and The American Anthropological Society were all lefty sjws......I merely responded to the question. Are you not used to that or do you understand how that works? I ask because I notice you have quite the time when responding to questions.


If you don't like my posts you're absolutely free to NOT read them....your excuse is what exactly for continuing to come back to the very same argument? Every fucking time you come at me and you're all upset, and you want me to what? Stop posting? Agree with you? Help me help you @Beanz....what can I do to get you the fuck away from me? Hmmm? Care to illuminate me? What can I do to help you find a happy safe space on the internet where nobody disagrees with you and there are kittens and puppies? You tell me, because I (along with the rest of the forum) am tired of the same old same old.


Freedom answers for Freedom....I can respond to a thread and not have to answer for the OP. I mean do you have to answer for me when you respond to my posts?


You're awfully obsessed about what I do for a living. Why? What does that have to do with Mahatma Damn Gandhi and racism? PLEASE attempt to tie those all together. Do you just want to dox me is that it? Want to find me look me up on the internet and hope to God I have a worse off life than you OR hope I'm some silver spoon ne'er-do-well you can poke fun of? You're obviously very insecure about it....settle down. If I want to share details about my own personal life I'll share them on my own, nobody begs you to tell them about your private life, you just share and then you complain like people are attacking it. I know better than to overshare on the internet.

This was your first reply Lyle

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Guys, race itself is a social construct....it's why literally ANYONE can give literally ANYONE ELSE a blood transfusion, an organ and/or bone marrow transplant....THEY want you to think race is a thing, but it's soooo not, neither is blood type or whatever matching human leukocyte antigen's is for pussies you just pay no mind to the social constructs and you fucking do it like a champ.


@TitoFan some cultures value education, some don't. Some cultures believe that their success honors their family and their shame shames the family and other cultures don't. Not all cultures are equal.

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So you can stop now with all the bullshit about me antagonizing you. I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation or though it turns out many more than is believed can and across 'races'. I never said race is a social construct but it clearly does not have the genetic and biological clarity you, miles and Brockton are suggesting. Race in that way really does not exist. I posted a link to prove how that patently it is not that simple and denied by organ transplant experts and you just ignored anything that didn't agree with your over simplification. Maybe it's a cultural thing but it seems everything for you is black/white, Right/wrong, no degrees of complexity or contradiction. How can you live your life like that? Mental

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Amazing that EVERYTHING comes down to politics for you Lyle, that is laughable. Why should anyone value anything you say when all you want to do is talk down to everyone including those with considerably more expertise than yourself? And no I am not talking about myself.


You have zero credibility. You have openly and knowingly spread and posted complete fabrications of reality here on Saddo, Fake News, invented outrage etc and now you want to just make up other peoples replies. Freedom is relevant because it's his thread you plonker.


Everyone here puts their cards on the table yet you are curiously silent about your own work, maybe that would help others understand where the fucking hell your head is at. You want to discredit Anthropology because their are no registered Republicans in the 'study' you pulled out of your arse? ;D

Fucking hell man you are reaching now

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To be fair you were the one who asked if NatGeo and The American Anthropological Society were all lefty sjws......I merely responded to the question. Are you not used to that or do you understand how that works? I ask because I notice you have quite the time when responding to questions.


If you don't like my posts you're absolutely free to NOT read them....your excuse is what exactly for continuing to come back to the very same argument? Every fucking time you come at me and you're all upset, and you want me to what? Stop posting? Agree with you? Help me help you @Beanz....what can I do to get you the fuck away from me? Hmmm? Care to illuminate me? What can I do to help you find a happy safe space on the internet where nobody disagrees with you and there are kittens and puppies? You tell me, because I (along with the rest of the forum) am tired of the same old same old.


Freedom answers for Freedom....I can respond to a thread and not have to answer for the OP. I mean do you have to answer for me when you respond to my posts?


You're awfully obsessed about what I do for a living. Why? What does that have to do with Mahatma Damn Gandhi and racism? PLEASE attempt to tie those all together. Do you just want to dox me is that it? Want to find me look me up on the internet and hope to God I have a worse off life than you OR hope I'm some silver spoon ne'er-do-well you can poke fun of? You're obviously very insecure about it....settle down. If I want to share details about my own personal life I'll share them on my own, nobody begs you to tell them about your private life, you just share and then you complain like people are attacking it. I know better than to overshare on the internet.

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Stop making it personal Lyle. I post facts, quotes and then links to where they came from and your replies NEVER address them. You just reiterate your tired rote learned politics in every thread on every subject. When Hitchens said that Religion poisons everything I think you could also say the same about politics. Unless you are a Senator representing NC how the hell am I going to look you up and why would i? If you are a teacher or counselor, psychologist etc of course it makes a difference it would explain why and how your frame the world in such an extremely narrow, partisan and frankly fearful way. You seem genuinely terrified of anything left of mega conservative. That is a bit weird.


I have no desire to poke fun at you just to understand why you compulsively say the things you do

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Ah, I see....not enough "How very dare you Freedom" :rolleyes:....I know what my first reply was, it's SILLY because certain people are SILLY about race and gender and ethnicity and my post made light of that. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings so much.

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So you can stop now with all the bullshit about me antagonizing you. I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation or though it turns out many more than is believed can and across 'races'. I never said race is a social construct but it clearly does not have the genetic and biological clarity you, miles and Brockton are suggesting. Race in that way really does not exist. I posted a link to prove how that patently it is not that simple and denied by organ transplant experts and you just ignored anything that didn't agree with your over simplification. Maybe it's a cultural thing but it seems everything for you is black/white, Right/wrong, no degrees of complexity or contradiction. How can you live your life like that? Mental

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"I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation"

Did I say YOU did? What caused you to immediately take that stance? Not everything is about YOU...sometimes I just want to post and have a little laugh.....should I run that by you since you think it's all about you?


How can you live your life reading everything so fucking serious all the fucking time? Not everything is serious.

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Stop making it personal Lyle. I post facts, quotes and then links to where they came from and your replies NEVER address them. You just reiterate your tired rote learned politics in every thread on every subject. When Hitchens said that Religion poisons everything I think you could also say the same about politics. Unless you are a Senator representing NC how the hell am I going to look you up and why would i? If you are a teacher or counselor, psychologist etc of course it makes a difference it would explain why and how your frame the world in such an extremely narrow, partisan and frankly fearful way. You seem genuinely terrified of anything left of mega conservative. That is a bit weird.


I have no desire to poke fun at you just to understand why you compulsively say the things you do

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Ok then if you say so. Who (besides you) is saying my first post was directed at you? Don't fucking get me started about unanswered questions, you are hands down the GOD EMPEROR of unanswered questions.

Oh well you're up there with Hitch are ya?

The internet can be used to look up anyone you fucking dolt. Also when you were my friend on Facebook when I used that service my job was listed for all to see....and yet it only matters now.


yes yes I'm so "terrified" I'm "outraged" and I'm "terrified"....you're a fucking lunatic seek help

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I don't make the data Tito. Peterson and Harris have interpreted the same things from the existing research too, so it is not only me. These men are far more knowledgeable than I. You are also misepresenting my arguments. I have said that I would like it to be environmental, but we cannot rule out that genetics are at work. It seems that genetics might well be a factor. Global IQ is falling not rising. The smarter the population is the less children they are likely to have. It is falling because less intelligent people have far less restraint and it seems generational patterns repeat more often than they do not.

You get smart and stupid people in every country, it's just that some countries have more or less than others. If there are no differences in race then why are Asian students having to sue Harvard because they are seemingly being pushed out due to racist quota systems for other races? They are smart, Tito.

If it is all about the family and environment then why are we promoting family situations that can only make non Asians even less competitive? Cultural Marxism reduces downwards instead of aspiring upwards and rewards poor behavior that results in yet more IQ differentials. Now that is my take on it. Even North Koreans have an average IQ of 105.

The Marxist attitude is that it is all economic, the cultural Marxist that it is environmental, the logical one is that it is a bit of both but maybe even some genetics and good old nutrition too. Inbreeding which is quite prevalent in the Middle East will also result in physical and mental decline. Kids who are not breast fed also risk losing intellectual capacity. All kinds of factors at work. So, yes, it seems differences do exist. I cannot help that being so. It doesn't bother me. It seems to have you in a tizzy though.

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You are all over the shop here mate. Firstly you are not less knowledgeable than Peterson and Harris on this. That is something they are relying on you believing but it need not be true.

If in doubt go to the source. Peterson and Harris are talking about The Bell Curve yes?. It's author Murray is not only part of a conservative think tank his Phd is in Politics not sociology (and surely Reverend Peterson has banned Sociology as a soft science taught by Marxists anyway?). Murray's agenda seeps right thru it. He has reached his conclusions long before cobbling together a lot of the discredited 'science'. Read the Cultural Marxism thread becasue all you are doing is repeating christian capitalist propaganda and defending an elite based on corruption and nepotism not intelligence and achievement. Next you will be telling us how all the Windsors and Trumps are there because of high IQ's.

IQ's are a comfy prop for those who excel in them but they do not predict success even.

Thanks for pretending that my IQ (which is probably incredibly low believe it or not) was inherited from Gyspy Genes but there are no Ashkenazi in my family. The Jewish side goes back from Spain/Sicily/Morroco/Iraq/Egypt thru Sephardic and Karaite Jews.

Also my full siblings are thick as shit, my half siblings are not.

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Ah, I see....not enough "How very dare you Freedom" :rolleyes:....I know what my first reply was, it's SILLY because certain people are SILLY about race and gender and ethnicity and my post made light of that. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings so much.

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So you can stop now with all the bullshit about me antagonizing you. I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation or though it turns out many more than is believed can and across 'races'. I never said race is a social construct but it clearly does not have the genetic and biological clarity you, miles and Brockton are suggesting. Race in that way really does not exist. I posted a link to prove how that patently it is not that simple and denied by organ transplant experts and you just ignored anything that didn't agree with your over simplification. Maybe it's a cultural thing but it seems everything for you is black/white, Right/wrong, no degrees of complexity or contradiction. How can you live your life like that? Mental

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"I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation"

Did I say YOU did? What caused you to immediately take that stance? Not everything is about YOU...sometimes I just want to post and have a little laugh.....should I run that by you since you think it's all about you?


How can you live your life reading everything so fucking serious all the fucking time? Not everything is serious.

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Stop making it personal Lyle. I post facts, quotes and then links to where they came from and your replies NEVER address them. You just reiterate your tired rote learned politics in every thread on every subject. When Hitchens said that Religion poisons everything I think you could also say the same about politics. Unless you are a Senator representing NC how the hell am I going to look you up and why would i? If you are a teacher or counselor, psychologist etc of course it makes a difference it would explain why and how your frame the world in such an extremely narrow, partisan and frankly fearful way. You seem genuinely terrified of anything left of mega conservative. That is a bit weird.


I have no desire to poke fun at you just to understand why you compulsively say the things you do

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Ok then if you say so. Who (besides you) is saying my first post was directed at you? Don't fucking get me started about unanswered questions, you are hands down the GOD EMPEROR of unanswered questions.

Oh well you're up there with Hitch are ya?

The internet can be used to look up anyone you fucking dolt. Also when you were my friend on Facebook when I used that service my job was listed for all to see....and yet it only matters now.


yes yes I'm so "terrified" I'm "outraged" and I'm "terrified"....you're a fucking lunatic seek help

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Yes and I didn't look at your job because I am not a stalker. I am not that bothered tbh if you want your job to be a secret, go for it, who cares? I just find it hard to fathom your constant hostility and it is not just with me is it? Imagine for one minute


One minute

try it


That not only am i not angry, but also that my feelings are not hurt, that I am not some over sensitive SJW, not self obsessed, not comparing myself to anyone, and then read my posts with that in mind.

Maybe that will help. Who knows? I don't want to have to resort to the ignore thing again that is lame. We are adults maybe we can try and unpick this mis-communication.

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Yes and I didn't look at your job because I am not a stalker. I am not that bothered tbh if you want your job to be a secret, go for it, who cares? I just find it hard to fathom your constant hostility and it is not just with me is it? Imagine for one minute


One minute

try it


That not only am i not angry, but also that my feelings are not hurt, that I am not some over sensitive SJW, not self obsessed, not comparing myself to anyone, and then read my posts with that in mind.

Maybe that will help. Who knows? I don't want to have to resort to the ignore thing again that is lame. We are adults maybe we can try and unpick this mis-communication.

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Sure thing Beanz, "I am not that bothered"....if you weren't that bothered you wouldn't keep asking would you?

Yeah it's a real mystery why I'd be hostile...I make an innocent innocuous post and here you come ready to attack.

So you think my post is aimed directly at you, you react in such a manner and then it's all "We are adults maybe we can try and unpick this mis-communication".....how about don't immediately assume I'm posting at you and if you've got a question about if I AM posting at you just ask for clarification I'm happy to clarify.


Or hell maybe I'll just stick to reading instead of posting.

What do you think about this, Beanz?

Racism in Israel:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y4g-MPF6a...tieSemite9.png

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What do you think about this, Beanz?

Racism in Israel:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y4g-MPF6a...tieSemite9.png

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Thank you Freedom for giving me the opportunity to discuss this story from 2015. Let me begin by saying that I do not have much time for the current right wing conservative and frankly racist government In Israel under Netyanyahu or the censorship of art. literature, free expression etc, anywhere in the world. To that end myself and one of my brothers have both collaborated and worked for the last 5 years for a campaigning organisation working for international freedom of expression. The books author, Dorit Rabinyan is an Iranian Jew and reflects just how diverse Jews inside and outside of Israel are. The Jewish side of my family originally come from Iraq and so this side of the family have many Muslim friends, one of my own fathers closet friends being a Palestinian he worked with when living in Israel and Palestine. Like him I abhor Racism in all it's forms but particularly when it is practiced by Jews who really should know better having been on the wrong end of bigotry for thousands of years.

Interestingly Rabinyan compares the oppression she has met with to the alienation felt by many under the extremist conservative rule of Trump, who did no vote for him. Empathy she says is the cure


https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...n-here-199290/

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