Was Mahatma Gandhi a racist?

[Gandalf]

I don't make the data Tito. Peterson and Harris have interpreted the same things from the existing research too, so it is not only me. These men are far more knowledgeable than I. You are also misepresenting my arguments. I have said that I would like it to be environmental, but we cannot rule out that genetics are at work. It seems that genetics might well be a factor. Global IQ is falling not rising. The smarter the population is the less children they are likely to have. It is falling because less intelligent people have far less restraint and it seems generational patterns repeat more often than they do not.

You get smart and stupid people in every country, it's just that some countries have more or less than others. If there are no differences in race then why are Asian students having to sue Harvard because they are seemingly being pushed out due to racist quota systems for other races? They are smart, Tito.

If it is all about the family and environment then why are we promoting family situations that can only make non Asians even less competitive? Cultural Marxism reduces downwards instead of aspiring upwards and rewards poor behavior that results in yet more IQ differentials. Now that is my take on it. Even North Koreans have an average IQ of 105.

The Marxist attitude is that it is all economic, the cultural Marxist that it is environmental, the logical one is that it is a bit of both but maybe even some genetics and good old nutrition too. Inbreeding which is quite prevalent in the Middle East will also result in physical and mental decline. Kids who are not breast fed also risk losing intellectual capacity. All kinds of factors at work. So, yes, it seems differences do exist. I cannot help that being so. It doesn't bother me. It seems to have you in a tizzy though.

[Beanz]

Amazing that EVERYTHING comes down to politics for you Lyle, that is laughable. Why should anyone value anything you say when all you want to do is talk down to everyone including those with considerably more expertise than yourself? And no I am not talking about myself.


You have zero credibility. You have openly and knowingly spread and posted complete fabrications of reality here on Saddo, Fake News, invented outrage etc and now you want to just make up other peoples replies. Freedom is relevant because it's his thread you plonker.


Everyone here puts their cards on the table yet you are curiously silent about your own work, maybe that would help others understand where the fucking hell your head is at. You want to discredit Anthropology because their are no registered Republicans in the 'study' you pulled out of your arse?

Fucking hell man you are reaching now

[El Kabong]

Amazing that EVERYTHING comes down to politics for you Lyle, that is laughable. Why should anyone value anything you say when all you want to do is talk down to everyone including those with considerably more expertise than yourself? And no I am not talking about myself.


You have zero credibility. You have openly and knowingly spread and posted complete fabrications of reality here on Saddo, Fake News, invented outrage etc and now you want to just make up other peoples replies. Freedom is relevant because it's his thread you plonker.


Everyone here puts their cards on the table yet you are curiously silent about your own work, maybe that would help others understand where the fucking hell your head is at. You want to discredit Anthropology because their are no registered Republicans in the 'study' you pulled out of your arse?

Fucking hell man you are reaching now

To be fair you were the one who asked if NatGeo and The American Anthropological Society were all lefty sjws......I merely responded to the question. Are you not used to that or do you understand how that works? I ask because I notice you have quite the time when responding to questions.


If you don't like my posts you're absolutely free to NOT read them....your excuse is what exactly for continuing to come back to the very same argument? Every fucking time you come at me and you're all upset, and you want me to what? Stop posting? Agree with you? Help me help you @Beanz....what can I do to get you the fuck away from me? Hmmm? Care to illuminate me? What can I do to help you find a happy safe space on the internet where nobody disagrees with you and there are kittens and puppies? You tell me, because I (along with the rest of the forum) am tired of the same old same old.


Freedom answers for Freedom....I can respond to a thread and not have to answer for the OP. I mean do you have to answer for me when you respond to my posts?


You're awfully obsessed about what I do for a living. Why? What does that have to do with Mahatma Damn Gandhi and racism? PLEASE attempt to tie those all together. Do you just want to dox me is that it? Want to find me look me up on the internet and hope to God I have a worse off life than you OR hope I'm some silver spoon ne'er-do-well you can poke fun of? You're obviously very insecure about it....settle down. If I want to share details about my own personal life I'll share them on my own, nobody begs you to tell them about your private life, you just share and then you complain like people are attacking it. I know better than to overshare on the internet.

[Beanz]

This was your first reply Lyle

Guys, race itself is a social construct....it's why literally ANYONE can give literally ANYONE ELSE a blood transfusion, an organ and/or bone marrow transplant....THEY want you to think race is a thing, but it's soooo not, neither is blood type or whatever matching human leukocyte antigen's is for pussies you just pay no mind to the social constructs and you fucking do it like a champ.


@TitoFan some cultures value education, some don't. Some cultures believe that their success honors their family and their shame shames the family and other cultures don't. Not all cultures are equal.

So you can stop now with all the bullshit about me antagonizing you. I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation or though it turns out many more than is believed can and across 'races'. I never said race is a social construct but it clearly does not have the genetic and biological clarity you, miles and Brockton are suggesting. Race in that way really does not exist. I posted a link to prove how that patently it is not that simple and denied by organ transplant experts and you just ignored anything that didn't agree with your over simplification. Maybe it's a cultural thing but it seems everything for you is black/white, Right/wrong, no degrees of complexity or contradiction. How can you live your life like that? Mental

Amazing that EVERYTHING comes down to politics for you Lyle, that is laughable. Why should anyone value anything you say when all you want to do is talk down to everyone including those with considerably more expertise than yourself? And no I am not talking about myself.


You have zero credibility. You have openly and knowingly spread and posted complete fabrications of reality here on Saddo, Fake News, invented outrage etc and now you want to just make up other peoples replies. Freedom is relevant because it's his thread you plonker.


Everyone here puts their cards on the table yet you are curiously silent about your own work, maybe that would help others understand where the fucking hell your head is at. You want to discredit Anthropology because their are no registered Republicans in the 'study' you pulled out of your arse?

Fucking hell man you are reaching now

To be fair you were the one who asked if NatGeo and The American Anthropological Society were all lefty sjws......I merely responded to the question. Are you not used to that or do you understand how that works? I ask because I notice you have quite the time when responding to questions.


If you don't like my posts you're absolutely free to NOT read them....your excuse is what exactly for continuing to come back to the very same argument? Every fucking time you come at me and you're all upset, and you want me to what? Stop posting? Agree with you? Help me help you @Beanz....what can I do to get you the fuck away from me? Hmmm? Care to illuminate me? What can I do to help you find a happy safe space on the internet where nobody disagrees with you and there are kittens and puppies? You tell me, because I (along with the rest of the forum) am tired of the same old same old.


Freedom answers for Freedom....I can respond to a thread and not have to answer for the OP. I mean do you have to answer for me when you respond to my posts?


You're awfully obsessed about what I do for a living. Why? What does that have to do with Mahatma Damn Gandhi and racism? PLEASE attempt to tie those all together. Do you just want to dox me is that it? Want to find me look me up on the internet and hope to God I have a worse off life than you OR hope I'm some silver spoon ne'er-do-well you can poke fun of? You're obviously very insecure about it....settle down. If I want to share details about my own personal life I'll share them on my own, nobody begs you to tell them about your private life, you just share and then you complain like people are attacking it. I know better than to overshare on the internet.

Stop making it personal Lyle. I post facts, quotes and then links to where they came from and your replies NEVER address them. You just reiterate your tired rote learned politics in every thread on every subject. When Hitchens said that Religion poisons everything I think you could also say the same about politics. Unless you are a Senator representing NC how the hell am I going to look you up and why would i? If you are a teacher or counselor, psychologist etc of course it makes a difference it would explain why and how your frame the world in such an extremely narrow, partisan and frankly fearful way. You seem genuinely terrified of anything left of mega conservative. That is a bit weird.


I have no desire to poke fun at you just to understand why you compulsively say the things you do

[El Kabong]

This was your first reply Lyle

Ah, I see....not enough "How very dare you Freedom" ....I know what my first reply was, it's SILLY because certain people are SILLY about race and gender and ethnicity and my post made light of that. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings so much.

So you can stop now with all the bullshit about me antagonizing you. I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation or though it turns out many more than is believed can and across 'races'. I never said race is a social construct but it clearly does not have the genetic and biological clarity you, miles and Brockton are suggesting. Race in that way really does not exist. I posted a link to prove how that patently it is not that simple and denied by organ transplant experts and you just ignored anything that didn't agree with your over simplification. Maybe it's a cultural thing but it seems everything for you is black/white, Right/wrong, no degrees of complexity or contradiction. How can you live your life like that? Mental

"I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation"

Did I say YOU did? What caused you to immediately take that stance? Not everything is about YOU...sometimes I just want to post and have a little laugh.....should I run that by you since you think it's all about you?


How can you live your life reading everything so fucking serious all the fucking time? Not everything is serious.

Stop making it personal Lyle. I post facts, quotes and then links to where they came from and your replies NEVER address them. You just reiterate your tired rote learned politics in every thread on every subject. When Hitchens said that Religion poisons everything I think you could also say the same about politics. Unless you are a Senator representing NC how the hell am I going to look you up and why would i? If you are a teacher or counselor, psychologist etc of course it makes a difference it would explain why and how your frame the world in such an extremely narrow, partisan and frankly fearful way. You seem genuinely terrified of anything left of mega conservative. That is a bit weird.


I have no desire to poke fun at you just to understand why you compulsively say the things you do

Ok then if you say so. Who (besides you) is saying my first post was directed at you? Don't fucking get me started about unanswered questions, you are hands down the GOD EMPEROR of unanswered questions.

Oh well you're up there with Hitch are ya?

The internet can be used to look up anyone you fucking dolt. Also when you were my friend on Facebook when I used that service my job was listed for all to see....and yet it only matters now.


yes yes I'm so "terrified" I'm "outraged" and I'm "terrified"....you're a fucking lunatic seek help

[Beanz]

This was your first reply Lyle

Ah, I see....not enough "How very dare you Freedom" ....I know what my first reply was, it's SILLY because certain people are SILLY about race and gender and ethnicity and my post made light of that. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings so much.

So you can stop now with all the bullshit about me antagonizing you. I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation or though it turns out many more than is believed can and across 'races'. I never said race is a social construct but it clearly does not have the genetic and biological clarity you, miles and Brockton are suggesting. Race in that way really does not exist. I posted a link to prove how that patently it is not that simple and denied by organ transplant experts and you just ignored anything that didn't agree with your over simplification. Maybe it's a cultural thing but it seems everything for you is black/white, Right/wrong, no degrees of complexity or contradiction. How can you live your life like that? Mental

"I never said anyone can give anyone a blood donation"

Did I say YOU did? What caused you to immediately take that stance? Not everything is about YOU...sometimes I just want to post and have a little laugh.....should I run that by you since you think it's all about you?


How can you live your life reading everything so fucking serious all the fucking time? Not everything is serious.

Stop making it personal Lyle. I post facts, quotes and then links to where they came from and your replies NEVER address them. You just reiterate your tired rote learned politics in every thread on every subject. When Hitchens said that Religion poisons everything I think you could also say the same about politics. Unless you are a Senator representing NC how the hell am I going to look you up and why would i? If you are a teacher or counselor, psychologist etc of course it makes a difference it would explain why and how your frame the world in such an extremely narrow, partisan and frankly fearful way. You seem genuinely terrified of anything left of mega conservative. That is a bit weird.


I have no desire to poke fun at you just to understand why you compulsively say the things you do

Ok then if you say so. Who (besides you) is saying my first post was directed at you? Don't fucking get me started about unanswered questions, you are hands down the GOD EMPEROR of unanswered questions.

Oh well you're up there with Hitch are ya?

The internet can be used to look up anyone you fucking dolt. Also when you were my friend on Facebook when I used that service my job was listed for all to see....and yet it only matters now.


yes yes I'm so "terrified" I'm "outraged" and I'm "terrified"....you're a fucking lunatic seek help

Yes and I didn't look at your job because I am not a stalker. I am not that bothered tbh if you want your job to be a secret, go for it, who cares? I just find it hard to fathom your constant hostility and it is not just with me is it? Imagine for one minute


One minute

try it


That not only am i not angry, but also that my feelings are not hurt, that I am not some over sensitive SJW, not self obsessed, not comparing myself to anyone, and then read my posts with that in mind.

Maybe that will help. Who knows? I don't want to have to resort to the ignore thing again that is lame. We are adults maybe we can try and unpick this mis-communication.

[El Kabong]

Yes and I didn't look at your job because I am not a stalker. I am not that bothered tbh if you want your job to be a secret, go for it, who cares? I just find it hard to fathom your constant hostility and it is not just with me is it? Imagine for one minute


One minute

try it


That not only am i not angry, but also that my feelings are not hurt, that I am not some over sensitive SJW, not self obsessed, not comparing myself to anyone, and then read my posts with that in mind.

Maybe that will help. Who knows? I don't want to have to resort to the ignore thing again that is lame. We are adults maybe we can try and unpick this mis-communication.

Sure thing Beanz, "I am not that bothered"....if you weren't that bothered you wouldn't keep asking would you?

Yeah it's a real mystery why I'd be hostile...I make an innocent innocuous post and here you come ready to attack.

So you think my post is aimed directly at you, you react in such a manner and then it's all "We are adults maybe we can try and unpick this mis-communication".....how about don't immediately assume I'm posting at you and if you've got a question about if I AM posting at you just ask for clarification I'm happy to clarify.


Or hell maybe I'll just stick to reading instead of posting.

[TitoFan]

I believe we're all born with the same brain, Miles. And any difference in mental capacity yes... it's due to genetics. But genetics in a different way than is being pushed by the "my country is better than your country" agenda. Two extremely intelligent people have a child together... chances are their offspring will be extremely intelligent also. Two people with underdeveloped mental capacities have a child together, yes..... chances are their offspring won't grow up to be rocket scientists either. But in the rush to attribute this to skin color, country of origin, etc., these so-called "social scientists" are all too willing to accept flawed studies and pass them off as gospel. Ask yourself, in the end.... what is the confounding importance of ranking countries by so-called IQ... other than to perpetuate the feelings of hatred, superiority and bigotry we're supposed to be trying to eliminate?

I'll part with my customs and give you a personal anecdote.

I was born in New York from Puerto Rican parents. While still a toddler, my dad decided he'd rather raise his children in Puerto Rico, so we moved down here. I was raised here, with occasional trips to the States when my dad was transferred (federal job). My parents stressed the importance of higher education, so me and most of my siblings got our college degrees, and have had professional success in life. I've been blessed with success in my personal life as well, and I attribute that to the values instilled in me by my parents, most notably my father, who I always considered to be a very wise man and a wonderful father.

By contrast, I have some cousins from my mother's side who were born in New York and were raised there their entire lives. They did not have the same type of parental guidance... my aunt and uncle split up while my cousins were still very young. My aunt, who I love dearly, was horrible at raising her kids and thus lost them to outside, street influences. Without going into too much detail, most of my cousins have been abject failures in life. As an example, my father always instilled the importance of retaining our native language (Spanish), even as we were learning English. By contrast, my cousins don't speak Spanish, and the English they speak isn't anything to write home about.


If you take my story, and extrapolate it to other races and ethnicities, you might find similar circumstances.

Now, I'm not trying to convince you and Brock to change your opinions, 'cause I know you won't. But just to say that just like you think I'm wrong, I also believe you are wrong.

[TitoFan]

Once you're born you're immediately immersed into an environment which will shape your very existence from the second you are born. How can all of these factors not have a 100% bearing on how successful you'll be.... how smart you'll become... how mature you'll be in life.... how well-balanced you'll be. It's common sense. To try and attach that to color or country is ridiculous, IMO.

[Beanz]

I don't make the data Tito. Peterson and Harris have interpreted the same things from the existing research too, so it is not only me. These men are far more knowledgeable than I. You are also misepresenting my arguments. I have said that I would like it to be environmental, but we cannot rule out that genetics are at work. It seems that genetics might well be a factor. Global IQ is falling not rising. The smarter the population is the less children they are likely to have. It is falling because less intelligent people have far less restraint and it seems generational patterns repeat more often than they do not.

You get smart and stupid people in every country, it's just that some countries have more or less than others. If there are no differences in race then why are Asian students having to sue Harvard because they are seemingly being pushed out due to racist quota systems for other races? They are smart, Tito.

If it is all about the family and environment then why are we promoting family situations that can only make non Asians even less competitive? Cultural Marxism reduces downwards instead of aspiring upwards and rewards poor behavior that results in yet more IQ differentials. Now that is my take on it. Even North Koreans have an average IQ of 105.

The Marxist attitude is that it is all economic, the cultural Marxist that it is environmental, the logical one is that it is a bit of both but maybe even some genetics and good old nutrition too. Inbreeding which is quite prevalent in the Middle East will also result in physical and mental decline. Kids who are not breast fed also risk losing intellectual capacity. All kinds of factors at work. So, yes, it seems differences do exist. I cannot help that being so. It doesn't bother me. It seems to have you in a tizzy though.

You are all over the shop here mate. Firstly you are not less knowledgeable than Peterson and Harris on this. That is something they are relying on you believing but it need not be true.

If in doubt go to the source. Peterson and Harris are talking about The Bell Curve yes?. It's author Murray is not only part of a conservative think tank his Phd is in Politics not sociology (and surely Reverend Peterson has banned Sociology as a soft science taught by Marxists anyway?). Murray's agenda seeps right thru it. He has reached his conclusions long before cobbling together a lot of the discredited 'science'. Read the Cultural Marxism thread becasue all you are doing is repeating christian capitalist propaganda and defending an elite based on corruption and nepotism not intelligence and achievement. Next you will be telling us how all the Windsors and Trumps are there because of high IQ's.

IQ's are a comfy prop for those who excel in them but they do not predict success even.

Thanks for pretending that my IQ (which is probably incredibly low believe it or not) was inherited from Gyspy Genes but there are no Ashkenazi in my family. The Jewish side goes back from Spain/Sicily/Morroco/Iraq/Egypt thru Sephardic and Karaite Jews.

Also my full siblings are thick as shit, my half siblings are not.