Should transgenered people be allowed to box?

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We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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There you go Beanz. Knock off the shouty capitals. ;D

Me? I'll choose not to devote any more time into answering why I think Lomachenko would beat Taylor. If...... that's ok with everyone.

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So...

We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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There you go Beanz. Knock off the shouty capitals. ;D

Me? I'll choose not to devote any more time into answering why I think Lomachenko would beat Taylor. If...... that's ok with everyone.

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@TitoFan

You didn't really devote any time into giving a satisfactory answer so I'll bid you farewell. Do come back when you've got an answer that not only satisfies me but addresses the question I raised which in case you need reminding was 'Who wins and why?'

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So...

We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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The shouty capitals are just a device to convey the apoplectic reaction of Tito to somebody thanking Ron for a post. It is not that easy to push my buttons. Want to explain this? ;D


You have been banned for the following reason:
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Date the ban will be lifted: 03-12-2019, 10:00 AM

I wouldn't usually bother but after my last perma ban and Tito pretending that the British mods had my back I thought I would make it clear you can be just as much of a cunt as all the other Brits here.

Ludicrous.


:-X ;D

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So...

We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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The shouty capitals are just a device to convey the apoplectic reaction of Tito to somebody thanking Ron for a post. It is not that easy to push my buttons. Want to explain this? ;D


You have been banned for the following reason:
Offensive sized font usage
Date the ban will be lifted: 03-12-2019, 10:00 AM

I wouldn't usually bother but after my last perma ban and Tito pretending that the British mods had my back I thought I would make it clear you can be just as much of a cunt as all the other Brits here.

Ludicrous.


:-X ;D

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@Beanz

It would seem your buttons are easily pushed when it comes to off topic racist posts however... at the risk of sounding repetitive, perhaps you could answer the fucking question???

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So...

We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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The shouty capitals are just a device to convey the apoplectic reaction of Tito to somebody thanking Ron for a post. It is not that easy to push my buttons. Want to explain this? ;D


You have been banned for the following reason:
Offensive sized font usage
Date the ban will be lifted: 03-12-2019, 10:00 AM

I wouldn't usually bother but after my last perma ban and Tito pretending that the British mods had my back I thought I would make it clear you can be just as much of a cunt as all the other Brits here.

Ludicrous.


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@Beanz

It would seem your buttons are easily pushed when it comes to off topic racist posts however... at the risk of sounding repetitive, perhaps you could answer the fucking question???

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Not at all. If you want to believe that having a different opinion is the same as my buttons being easy to push then you are thicker than I thought you were. Either that or you are as gullible as Miles and Tito to buying into the angry poster bullshit. The only posters losing their rag in this thread are you and Tito, you big girls blouse;D


If you really want an answer to the question you posed your new girlfriend Tito, then perhaps you could restore my avatars, grow up a bit and drop the attitude. A 9 week ban because I pointed out what a twat you were for calling a fellow mod in Master a racist? Now after encouraging everyone to bully a poster for again not being intimidated by you, and because you couldn't grasp that Tito was agreeing with you, you again tried handing me a ban, this time for using capitals to demonstrate how much you are both losing it.

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So...

We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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There you go Beanz. Knock off the shouty capitals. ;D

Me? I'll choose not to devote any more time into answering why I think Lomachenko would beat Taylor. If...... that's ok with everyone.

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@TitoFan

You didn't really devote any time into giving a satisfactory answer so I'll bid you farewell. Do come back when you've got an answer that not only satisfies me but addresses the question I raised which in case you need reminding was 'Who wins and why?'

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I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. My "satisfying" you is not currently on my list of priorities.


To be clear. Answering questions wasn't part of the "Saddo Oath of Conduct" the last time I checked. Especially when the request is voiced as a demand.

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So...

We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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The shouty capitals are just a device to convey the apoplectic reaction of Tito to somebody thanking Ron for a post. It is not that easy to push my buttons. Want to explain this? ;D


You have been banned for the following reason:
Offensive sized font usage
Date the ban will be lifted: 03-12-2019, 10:00 AM

I wouldn't usually bother but after my last perma ban and Tito pretending that the British mods had my back I thought I would make it clear you can be just as much of a cunt as all the other Brits here.

Ludicrous.


:-X ;D

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@Beanz

It would seem your buttons are easily pushed when it comes to off topic racist posts however... at the risk of sounding repetitive, perhaps you could answer the fucking question???

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Not at all. If you want to believe that having a different opinion is the same as my buttons being easy to push then you are thicker than I thought you were. Either that or you are as gullible as Miles and Tito to buying into the angry poster bullshit. The only posters losing their rag in this thread are you and Tito, you big girls blouse;D


https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.5819...8.lite-2u3.jpgIf you really want an answer to the question you posed your new girlfriend Tito, then perhaps you could restore my avatars, grow up a bit and drop the attitude. A 9 week ban because I pointed out what a twat you were for calling a fellow mod in Master a racist? Now after encouraging everyone to bully a poster for again not being intimidated by you, and because you couldn't grasp that Tito was agreeing with you, you again tried handing me a ban, this time for using capitals to demonstrate how much you are both losing it.

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@Beanz

Perhaps once your foreskin is removed you can finally provide an answer to the question this entire thread is actually about. Just 'pull back' for a moment, take a deep breath and think about 'retracting' your statement and stop acting like a helmet.

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Everyone sing along with me..... in a football terrace tune.....

"Swansons got a vag hole, Swansons got a vag hole, la la la la, la la la la"

"Swansons got a.....

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It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

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No Beanz... :rolleyes: ...you hadn't posted. You just "thanked" Swanson for his diametrically opposed view where he rushed to pull the "sexist" fire alarm handle without bothering to think about what is being said.

No wonder Miles rightly accuses you of backing off of statements you've clearly made or positions you've made distinctively clear.

Like I told Fenny..... man up to what you say and do, and everyone will respect you all the more for it.

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To be honest if I could have given him a high five, shook his hand or bought him a pint, I would have. You are not really helping yourself shrug off the sexist label by telling people to man up either. I don't know where your hostility is coming from, but the opening post was about a transgender man, so Spicoli was bang on with his description of people wanting to manufacture an argument where there is not one. I am assuming like me you are way too old to box anymore, so what exactly is the problem? Like Ron says if a female boxer does not want to fight a transgender women then I would be quite surprised if they were mandated to do so against their wishes. Every boxer makes this choice, whoever they fight.

You are basically arguing for removing the choice of other people. You brought me into the thread and now you are moaning about me expressing/not expressing my opinion it seems? At this point I have no idea what the fuck you are actually on about. You certainly are not taking the brave stand you think you are. The forum today on International Women's Day could not be any more hostile to women if it tried. I work with female boxers, ring card girls etc and they all have a lot more bottle and frankly 'balls' then a lot of the posturing alpha males strutting their stuff here. It is 2019 for crying out loud. In gyms all over the world, amateur and pro shows, girls and women are dedicating themselves to the noble art with just as much heart and soul as the men and boys, and yet here they are still seen as a novelty.

I haven't backed off anything I have said, whatever Miles may claim. The fact that Ron, who works with fighters every day, is able to make a reasoned and sensible, nuanced series of points without resorting to the bloody neanderthal conservative black and white argument that often passes for debate here is refreshing.

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So...

We have a thread in which those pissed off that there is not a fight..engineer one. A mod starts calling other posters names, in a very girly childish playground way. Suggests that everyone else join in and help bully a poster for not being a prick, and then turns around and accuse everyone else of doing not just that, but getting turned on by it too :rolleyes:.


Then unlikely allies, the mod and the 'EVERYONE IS RANTING BUT ME !!!' chap,....shocked to find themselves singing from the the same hymn sheet, engineer another reason to fall out with each other. ;D

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Don't you have your Tommy Robinson 3-ring circus thread to run off to?

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@Beanz

What's with the shouty capitals??? We can all read you in small font. One might think you were beginning to rant in your oversized font.

Still waiting for an intelligent answer... who wins and why?

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The shouty capitals are just a device to convey the apoplectic reaction of Tito to somebody thanking Ron for a post. It is not that easy to push my buttons. Want to explain this? ;D


You have been banned for the following reason:
Offensive sized font usage
Date the ban will be lifted: 03-12-2019, 10:00 AM

I wouldn't usually bother but after my last perma ban and Tito pretending that the British mods had my back I thought I would make it clear you can be just as much of a cunt as all the other Brits here.

Ludicrous.


:-X ;D

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@Beanz

It would seem your buttons are easily pushed when it comes to off topic racist posts however... at the risk of sounding repetitive, perhaps you could answer the fucking question???

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Not at all. If you want to believe that having a different opinion is the same as my buttons being easy to push then you are thicker than I thought you were. Either that or you are as gullible as Miles and Tito to buying into the angry poster bullshit. The only posters losing their rag in this thread are you and Tito, you big girls blouse;D


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iNvK4C4tqMY/maxresdefault.jpgIf you really want an answer to the question you posed your new girlfriend Tito, then perhaps you could restore my avatars, grow up a bit and drop the attitude. A 9 week ban because I pointed out what a twat you were for calling a fellow mod in Master a racist? Now after encouraging everyone to bully a poster for again not being intimidated by you, and because you couldn't grasp that Tito was agreeing with you, you again tried handing me a ban, this time for using capitals to demonstrate how much you are both losing it.

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@Beanz

Perhaps once your foreskin is removed you can finally provide an answer to the question this entire thread is actually about. Just 'pull back' for a moment, take a deep breath and think about 'retracting' your statement and stop acting like a helmet.

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Not really covering yourself in glory here mate. ;D

I already answered the question. You seem to want to tell people what they are allowed to do and not, including boxers. I would let the fighters decide for themselves. They are adults. Transgender people across all sports is a big and complex issue that will have to be dealt with and Ron is right, not so long ago people questioned common sense things we take for granted today.

I would not tell women they could not box. I encouraged my daughter to learn how to defend herself just like I will my granddaughter. You may think that irrelevant, but plenty of lads on here think women, and certainly girls, should not be allowed to box, even now.

The opening post was about a female to male transgender boxer but that was turned into an excuse for Tito to have a pop at male to female transgender boxers fighting women. The only people demanding anything are you two. He is demanding that he should have the right to decide and not even giving them the right to be called a woman, and you are demanding everyone returns to the level of the playground. You are both acting like bullies, only you have added a racial/ethnic/religious element, (including an explicit picture of your own shriveled knob for some weird reason ;D) despite being a mod.

Anyone would think you don't want trainers,boxers and those interested in taking up the sport to post here.


Hope that helps.

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You seem to want to tell people what they are allowed to do and not, including boxers. I would let the fighters decide for themselves. They are adults.

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In this whole big forum, you alone have mastered the art of taking what other people say and turning it into something 180° different. You've consistently chosen to ignore what some women boxers themselves have been quoted as saying. Why is that Beanz? Why do you, the self-proclaimed defender of women and transgenders, choose to ignore the quotes of women who say they do not agree with transgender fighting women boxers, and that they themselves would not get in a ring with them? Why? Quit your deluded posturing and answer a simple question. But what the fuck am I thinking. You..... the King of Never Answering a Question with a Straight Answer. Lyle has accused you of that. Miles has accused of that. You know what? They're absolutely correct. You are genetically incapable of answering a simple question with a straight answer. Feel cornered... and you reach for straws the whole fucking bale.

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Transgender people across all sports is a big and complex issue that will have to be dealt with

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Yes is it... and no one has said anything to the contrary. But you've still ignored not only the words of women boxers on the topic... but the video clip of the transgender football player that Smashup posted. A video clip with some very damning statements about what it takes to consider a transgender totally transformed into a female. In fact..... it is highly hypocritical of you to blabber on about women's rights this, and women's rights that..... and then ignore the instances where transgender "females" are given the go-ahead to participate in women's sports with a very light regard for the safety of the women participants who were born women.

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The opening post was about a female to male transgender boxer but that was turned into an excuse for Tito to have a pop at male to female transgender boxers fighting women.

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This alone speaks volumes as to why you have zilch respect or credibility here. "An excuse to have a pop at male to female transgender boxers fighting women"?? First of all, as you've chosen to ignore all along, there was a previous post by someone who said if it's a transgender male fighting men, he has no problem. If it's the other way around, absolutely not. No of course not. You homed in on my post, because you have a hard-on for transgenders and anything I post on the subject brings the Pavlovian knee-jerk reaction out of you. Had you bothered to read the post, you would have noticed that right away I posted the link quoting women boxers. Also, were you to have an ounce of gray matter between the ears, you would have seen that my only intent was to express my concern about the safety of women boxers. Does what happened with Fallon Fox in MMA mean nothing to you? You? The Dalai Lama of women's rights and women's boxing? What a fucking joke you are.

A "pop"?? Are you serious? No wonder you are so hated, pal. No wonder you bring out the hate in the dozen or more posters I already listed. Man up to your mistakes, like I said earlier to you, and you'll save the nano-ounce of credibility you've got left.

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He is demanding that he should have the right to decide and not even giving them the right to be called a woman,

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I am deciding that I should have the right to decide.... blah, blah, blah?? You know what..... two can play that game, Beanz.

You openly said you'd like to witness a transgender woman seriously injure a woman boxer. Yeah.... that would advance the cause, and show that transgender women can box too. You are all for it. In your callous disregard for women's safety, you have demanded the right to demand (excuse the redundancy) that transgender women fight women boxers....... Christians vs. Lions style. You've shown your desire for that to happen, all for the cause of transgenderism, for which again you seem to have a strange hard-on for. Makes one think. Close relative? Regrettable decision when you were younger? We'll never know will we.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ender-athletes


"Sports stars weigh in on row over transgender athletes"



It's a serious and controversial issue, and will continue to be so for quite some time. The article correctly points out that those who are against transgenders in women's sports risk being labeled "transphobes" or worse. Even "sexist" as seen on this forum.

In the rush to seem the "all-knowing" and "all-accepting", people like Beanz and others blatantly ignore the opinions of those who matter..... women in sports.

Forget the unfairness of medals being won by transgenders over those born with the female gender, who aside from competing against their own kind, now have to compete with men who have...... "transitioned"..... a term that doesn't even have a consistent set of defining characteristics, and some definitions are loose and flimsy at best.

Forget sports where it's just unfairness, but nobody gets hurt. Let's talk about contact sports. Football, MMA, boxing. Where the real possibility of injury exists. Rather than promoting an even playing field, people like Beanz are promoting the equivalent of someone bringing a rocket launcher to a knife fight.

All veiled in the hypocrisy of wanting to "respect the rights of the transgenders". Hell..... even laughingly evoking the International Women's Week, as if just saying that makes his argument correct. The ironic part is that many women boxers would be loudly questioning that ludicrous set of ideas by saying... "What the hell are you trying to DO to us??"

Yes.... this is a complex, difficult issue. But you don't rip down the rights of one group by defending the "rights" of others. In other words... transgenders want to box? Fine. Do it on a level playing field.

I have no problem with a male who has "transitioned" to a female (or.. cough... identifies as one) practicing the sport of boxing. But do it against MEN. The gender you were BORN with. Be a woman OFF the boxing ring.

Otherwise, it's just men beating up women. Wonderful narrative for that International Women's Week, eh Beanz?

Frankly, I can't believe anyone would stoop so low as to argue this issue and twist everything that is said into blatant lies. You have to be one FUCKED UP INDIVIDUAL to defend this travesty.

I do not see why this thread is complicated. It is common sense that a man who becomes a woman would most likely beat up another 'othodox' woman most of the time. I have been hit by women before and there is no power there. I was also doing my James Toney thing as I wouldn't hit back, but I swear all it would take is a few swings and I would batter her senseless.

Now obviously that is not how I conduct myself. If I was to transition into a woman I would be at an automatic advantage in terms of height at 190 cm. That's not easy for most women at MW/SMW to get around. Women tend to be physically different to men and you cannot get around that fact. This is why I call out chubby men on the forum all the time at a CW. They cannot compete.

Now a regular woman against me following some surgery and some hormones....unless she is implanting leg extensions, she is not going to hit me. I am clever and would work behind the jab and being naturally longer and with more extension batter her any time she tries to get inside. I would clinch, give her a cuddle, then bounce away like a kangaroo. There is a reason short HW's could not get near Wlad without being molested. I look feminine anyway, I probably already have the damn hormones.

Sorry guys don’t mean to but in but I’m reading way too many harsh words to beanz something must be done to quelch this. I must at this point put down my foot and say enough

Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

What is hilarious is how you moan about people going with the flow as though you are making some brave stand, but you and a lot of others here are actually insisting on imposing your own weird version of some kind of political correctness.

You want to decide for other adults. You and Miles have just proven how sexist you both are in both wanting to tell women what they can do. What they are allowed to do. Why can't each boxer decide for themselves?

Like most old fashioned weak men you and Miles etc are seemingly threatened by people choosing to not conform to the very narrow stereotypes you want to impose on them. Do you want to be seen like a nanny state government, brainwashed religious loon or some agenda driven politicaly correct zealot? Because that is what you guys sound like. Let people decide for themselves.

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Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

What is hilarious is how you moan about people going with the flow as though you are making some brave stand, but you and a lot of others here are actually insisting on imposing your own weird version of some kind of political correctness.

You want to decide for other adults. You and Miles have just proven how sexist you both are in both wanting to tell women what they can do. What they are allowed to do. Why can't each boxer decide for themselves?

Like most old fashioned weak men you and Miles etc are seemingly threatened by people choosing to not conform to the very narrow stereotypes you want to impose on them. Do you want to be seen like a nanny state government, brainwashed religious loon or some agenda driven politicaly correct zealot? Because that is what you guys sound like. Let people decide for themselves.

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Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

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The rest of your post is the same old senseless, tired old gibberish... so I'll only address this part.


Why indeed.


Let's pause for a second Beanz, and I'll give you a moment to reflect on that question..... as I ask anyone reading this to reflect on that same question.

(reflective pause)


So basically what you're saying is..... that it's a majority thing. That if there are some brave women out there who don't mind fighting transgender women..... that it should be ok then..... and all others (women boxers I'm talking about).... the ones who don't want to face transgenders in the ring..... should just shut their mouths because there are a few women out there who don't mind.

Is THAT what you're saying?

I want to make sure I understand correctly, because this is where your stance, argument, credibility, and the whole ball of wax comes tumbling down like so many pins in a bowling alley.

Again, I didn't post the quotes of the "pro-transgender" women boxers.... so (according to you) it's automatically ok to have transgenders fight women boxers, no questions asked.

If just ONE of those who DON'T want to fight transgenders is at some point a champion in her division.... and her mandatory is a transgender..... if she refuses, she gets stripped. If she says why she refuses she'll be ridiculed and ostracized, because society and those erudite people such as yourself have ruled that transgenders have every right to fight women in the ring.

Ironically, it's the same damn bullying you accuse others of. The only bullying here is your own, and you reflect it onto others with your remarkable skill.

Notice, there are no insults in this post.... no name calling. I don't want to dilute the question/statement you've posted because I want everyone to see exactly what the crux of this argument is.



The bottom line here is:

I and a few others do not agree with this because we care and fear for the safety of women boxers. Transgenderism in itself isn't being attacked here, just the notion that if "X" fighter wants to change from a man into a woman and fight women, it's potentially dangerous and shouldn't be approved carte blanche. The definitions of "transitioning" aren't even clear, and the rules are loose and flimsy at best.

You and a few others take this as an affront to the rights of others, and you fall back to your predictable "Oh you're trying to tell others what to do" stance. You care more about the conflict than about seriously talking about the safety of women boxers. You fail to see the forest for the trees.



I'm not going to claim some funny thread victory, like Miles is wont to do....... but in this very serious subject, and judging by your question above...... you haven't got a damn leg to stand on.

In fact, if Alpha was still here, I'd buy HIM a beer (like you'd do with Swanson), and tell him it's ok. That claiming the world is flat is relatively harmless..... next to the ridiculous claims YOU'RE making on this topic.

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Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

What is hilarious is how you moan about people going with the flow as though you are making some brave stand, but you and a lot of others here are actually insisting on imposing your own weird version of some kind of political correctness.

You want to decide for other adults. You and Miles have just proven how sexist you both are in both wanting to tell women what they can do. What they are allowed to do. Why can't each boxer decide for themselves?

Like most old fashioned weak men you and Miles etc are seemingly threatened by people choosing to not conform to the very narrow stereotypes you want to impose on them. Do you want to be seen like a nanny state government, brainwashed religious loon or some agenda driven politicaly correct zealot? Because that is what you guys sound like. Let people decide for themselves.

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I am not telling women what to do. I am just suggesting that all things being equal that a man will batter a woman. Women are weaker than men generally speaking. Just a fact. It is why we do not hit women. Chopping off a willy and adding a few hormones is not going to reduce height by several inches.

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Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

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The rest of your post is the same old senseless, tired old gibberish... so I'll only address this part.


Why indeed.


Let's pause for a second Beanz, and I'll give you a moment to reflect on that question..... as I ask anyone reading this to reflect on that same question.

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So basically what you're saying is..... that it's a majority thing. That if there are some brave women out there who don't mind fighting transgender women..... that it should be ok then..... and all others (women boxers I'm talking about).... the ones who don't want to face transgenders in the ring..... should just shut their mouths because there are a few women out there who don't mind.

Is THAT what you're saying?

I want to make sure I understand correctly, because this is where your stance, argument, credibility, and the whole ball of wax comes tumbling down like so many pins in a bowling alley.

Again, I didn't post the quotes of the "pro-transgender" women boxers.... so (according to you) it's automatically ok to have transgenders fight women boxers, no questions asked.

If just ONE of those who DON'T want to fight transgenders is at some point a champion in her division.... and her mandatory is a transgender..... if she refuses, she gets stripped. If she says why she refuses she'll be ridiculed and ostracized, because society and those erudite people such as yourself have ruled that transgenders have every right to fight women in the ring.

Ironically, it's the same damn bullying you accuse others of. The only bullying here is your own, and you reflect it onto others with your remarkable skill.

Notice, there are no insults in this post.... no name calling. I don't want to dilute the question/statement you've posted because I want everyone to see exactly what the crux of this argument is.



The bottom line here is:

I and a few others do not agree with this because we care and fear for the safety of women boxers. Transgenderism in itself isn't being attacked here, just the notion that if "X" fighter wants to change from a man into a woman and fight women, it's potentially dangerous and shouldn't be approved carte blanche. The definitions of "transitioning" aren't even clear, and the rules are loose and flimsy at best.

You and a few others take this as an affront to the rights of others, and you fall back to your predictable "Oh you're trying to tell others what to do" stance. You care more about the conflict than about seriously talking about the safety of women boxers. You fail to see the forest for the trees.



I'm not going to claim some funny thread victory, like Miles is wont to do....... but in this very serious subject, and judging by your question above...... you haven't got a damn leg to stand on.

In fact, if Alpha was still here, I'd buy HIM a beer (like you'd do with Swanson), and tell him it's ok. That claiming the world is flat is relatively harmless..... next to the ridiculous claims YOU'RE making on this topic.

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Own it. Steal the moment. Declare victory. Only Beanster takes it seriously.

Tito you still haven't explained why you left the first female boxer asked and then the third Mia St John out when you were pretending to be allow female boxers speak for themselves. I mean that is not accidental is it? Nobody mentioned majority anything, it's not mob rule. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree with you must necessarily take the equally stupid opposite stance on things. Miles does exactly the same thing. You both get affronted and take things personally if you daft arguments are exposed for the ill thought out rubbish masquerading as reason that they really are.

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Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

What is hilarious is how you moan about people going with the flow as though you are making some brave stand, but you and a lot of others here are actually insisting on imposing your own weird version of some kind of political correctness.

You want to decide for other adults. You and Miles have just proven how sexist you both are in both wanting to tell women what they can do. What they are allowed to do. Why can't each boxer decide for themselves?

Like most old fashioned weak men you and Miles etc are seemingly threatened by people choosing to not conform to the very narrow stereotypes you want to impose on them. Do you want to be seen like a nanny state government, brainwashed religious loon or some agenda driven politicaly correct zealot? Because that is what you guys sound like. Let people decide for themselves.

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I am not telling women what to do. I am just suggesting that all things being equal that a man will batter a woman. Women are weaker than men generally speaking. Just a fact. It is why we do not hit women. Chopping off a willy and adding a few hormones is not going to reduce height by several inches.

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Actually that is exactly what you are doing. Nobody is talking about forcing anyone to do anything. Tito and his five imaginary IFS are just something he has to invent, to pretend he has anything approaching a reasonable argument.

The thread title explicitly asks whether transgendered people should be ALLOWED to box.

Of the actual female boxers asked, three were quite happy to box them. They apparently did not count because as men you both think you should be able to decide for them. If not, why are their thoughts excluded?

So here you and Tito are telling those women who they can box. Nobody else has suggested anywhere that boxers, female or male should be forced to fight anyone. In fact I quite explicitly stated again and again all through the thread as adults they should be able to decide who to box themselves.All this mandatory stuff is hypothetical nonsense like the crap you have to make up to not even give women the right to think and decide for themselves.

Plenty of women smaller than you, could beat the living shite out of you. That is a fact however superior your untrained, inexperienced skinny/fat body may feel. it is all in your head.

A fight against a pro female boxer at almost any weight would be ...beyond you. ;D

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Tito you still haven't explained why you left the first female boxer asked and then the third Mia St John out when you were pretending to be allow female boxers speak for themselves. I mean that is not accidental is it? Nobody mentioned majority anything, it's not mob rule. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree with you must necessarily take the equally stupid opposite stance on things. Miles does exactly the same thing. You both get affronted and take things personally if you daft arguments are exposed for the ill thought out rubbish masquerading as reason that they really are.

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Trashy, flimsy counter argument. Nobody here is saying anything about mob rule, you dolt. You're grasping at straws so desperately you're coming apart at the seams.

Does it matter that other women boxers are ok with it? Does it even enter that feeble brain of yours that maybe they feel pressured to say as much, secretly hoping they themselves don't have to face one?

Furthermore, even if it was just ONE female boxer who was not ok with it, her feelings must be considered. It's HER body... HER safety... HER livelihood. But you don't give a shit about that. All you see in front of you is the argument for argument's sake. What a lousy human being you are.

Your argument grows weaker and more pathetic by the second.

If it was only my opinion, whack away. But it's the opinion of female boxers themselves! Does that not mean anything to you? And you've got the nerve to say you stick up for women? Fucking liar.

You are the laughing stock of this forum, and you know it.

The mature thing for you to do would be to admit that for once you're wrong (in reality it's much more often than that, but once would suffice).

But that would take an adult manning up to his mistake, and I've already shown you're genetically unable to do such a thing.

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Actually that is exactly what you are doing. Nobody is talking about forcing anyone to do anything. Tito and his five imaginary IFS are just something he has to invent, to pretend he has anything approaching a reasonable argument.

The thread title explicitly asks whether transgendered people should be ALLOWED to box.

Of the actual female boxers asked, three were quite happy to box them. They apparently did not count because as men you both think you should be able to decide for them. If not, why are their thoughts excluded?

So here you and Tito are telling those women who they can box. Nobody else has suggested anywhere that boxers, female or male should be forced to fight anyone. In fact I quite explicitly stated again and again all through the thread as adults they should be able to decide who to box themselves.All this mandatory stuff is hypothetical nonsense like the crap you have to make up to not even give women the right to think and decide for themselves.

Plenty of women smaller than you, could beat the living shite out of you. That is a fact however superior your untrained, inexperienced skinny/fat body may feel. it is all in your head.

A fight against a pro female boxer at almost any weight would be ...beyond you. ;D

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You can't POSSIBLY be this stupid. I'll take that back.


Beanz, for the last fucking time..... who gives a shit WHAT the thread title says? Someone else (not me) expressed his opinion that he's ok with transgender males fighting men, but not transgender women fighting women. Where's your goddamn outrage at him?? No. Like the coward you are, you pick your battles. You pick WHO you fight with because you know "they've" got your back just in case. You fight with me, you know there's someone itching to jump into the fray. You are such a conniving little bitch.

You know why Lyle doesn't post here anymore? Because of YOU, you slimy twat. So don't give us your used car salesman song and dance about not having problems with Lyle. Like the cowardly bitch you are, you conveniently hide behind the trousers of whoever isn't fighting with you at the moment, just so you'll have someone on your side. For being old enough to be a grandfather, you sure are pathetic.

Take all your "hypothetical" arguments and shove them right up your transgender-loving ass. Is that what you were waiting for? Anger from me? Well..... I'm happy to oblige you. You, and any other ignorant asshole who beats his chest about how he's such a "live and let live" kind of guy. All that is is an excuse to not have a stance about anything. That is the worse kind of person on this Earth. Don't have an opinion.... just exist to criticize the stance of others.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but obviously I do.

Once you open a door in athletics, it's open. And it becomes commonplace.

You want to ignore those women boxers who would be afraid to face a man transgender woman. So in essence you are the worst type of woman abuser. You may not do it yourself, but you turn a blinking eye somewhere else. THEN, you dress it up as tolerance, in your hypocritical, flowery speech way. When in reality you're nothing but a scumbag who supports men beating up on women, thinly veiled as supporting transgenderism in sports.

I knew you were an asshole. I just didn't know you were THIS much of an asshole.

I'll now proceed to shoot down your (and your cronies) arguments.

Argument 1. That's not what the thread title is about. (Weak. A sign of not having a real argument. If that's all you can muster, you must know you're wrong right off the bat. Show me where Saddo rules state that thread titles cannot be expanded upon in a discussion. I rest my case.)

Argument 2. Transgenders are not being forced on anybody. (Right. In your fantasy world, once that door is opened and transgenders are allowed to fight women, women boxers will ALL feel comfortable turning down fights with transgenders if they want to, without fear of being stripped of titles, ridiculed or pressured by their peers, or just plain looking cowardly. There's absolutely ZERO chance that an up-and-coming young woman boxer, who's on the verge of deciding whether to go pro, might change her mind for fear of eventually facing a man-turned-woman in the ring.)

Argument 3. Those of us on this side are trying to tell others what to do. (There's a saying. No one is blinder than he who will not see. You KNOW that's not true, but you twist and bend the narrative to fit your obscure, ridiculous agenda. The fact you think you can get away with it is an affront to most people's intelligence in this forum.)



Alpha used to argue that the Earth is flat. That is basically harmless and doesn't hurt anybody. (Oh and by the way, I'm fully expecting you to chime in about my arguments with Alpha... all the while pretending YOU never did. Because that's the type of slime bag you are.) But THIS argument...... this argument could eventually cost somebody their lives or their livelihoods.

Meanwhile, you comically and tragically dress it up as YOU'RE the one who's defending women.

Do you fucking listen to yourself??!!?? Of course you don't. You're a Class A idiot.

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Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

What is hilarious is how you moan about people going with the flow as though you are making some brave stand, but you and a lot of others here are actually insisting on imposing your own weird version of some kind of political correctness.

You want to decide for other adults. You and Miles have just proven how sexist you both are in both wanting to tell women what they can do. What they are allowed to do. Why can't each boxer decide for themselves?

Like most old fashioned weak men you and Miles etc are seemingly threatened by people choosing to not conform to the very narrow stereotypes you want to impose on them. Do you want to be seen like a nanny state government, brainwashed religious loon or some agenda driven politicaly correct zealot? Because that is what you guys sound like. Let people decide for themselves.

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I am not telling women what to do. I am just suggesting that all things being equal that a man will batter a woman. Women are weaker than men generally speaking. Just a fact. It is why we do not hit women. Chopping off a willy and adding a few hormones is not going to reduce height by several inches.

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Actually that is exactly what you are doing. Nobody is talking about forcing anyone to do anything. Tito and his five imaginary IFS are just something he has to invent, to pretend he has anything approaching a reasonable argument.

The thread title explicitly asks whether transgendered people should be ALLOWED to box.

Of the actual female boxers asked, three were quite happy to box them. They apparently did not count because as men you both think you should be able to decide for them. If not, why are their thoughts excluded?

So here you and Tito are telling those women who they can box. Nobody else has suggested anywhere that boxers, female or male should be forced to fight anyone. In fact I quite explicitly stated again and again all through the thread as adults they should be able to decide who to box themselves.All this mandatory stuff is hypothetical nonsense like the crap you have to make up to not even give women the right to think and decide for themselves.

Plenty of women smaller than you, could beat the living shite out of you. That is a fact however superior your untrained, inexperienced skinny/fat body may feel. it is all in your head.

A fight against a pro female boxer at almost any weight would be ...beyond you. ;D

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You are just making things up, Lawrence. I said that in most cases the man would beat the shit out of the woman. Cut off Manny's tackle, pump him full of hormones and see what happens. I am not saying a woman cannot make her own decision, I am saying she would would most likely get beaten up. This is why men do not hit women. Stop making things up.

I could probably beat the living shite out of you too and you are dickless wonder, so all is fair in your world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0

http://youtu.be/9pe0rNieL-Q

That might even be a 10-8 round for the blue.

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Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

What is hilarious is how you moan about people going with the flow as though you are making some brave stand, but you and a lot of others here are actually insisting on imposing your own weird version of some kind of political correctness.

You want to decide for other adults. You and Miles have just proven how sexist you both are in both wanting to tell women what they can do. What they are allowed to do. Why can't each boxer decide for themselves?

Like most old fashioned weak men you and Miles etc are seemingly threatened by people choosing to not conform to the very narrow stereotypes you want to impose on them. Do you want to be seen like a nanny state government, brainwashed religious loon or some agenda driven politicaly correct zealot? Because that is what you guys sound like. Let people decide for themselves.

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I am not telling women what to do. I am just suggesting that all things being equal that a man will batter a woman. Women are weaker than men generally speaking. Just a fact. It is why we do not hit women. Chopping off a willy and adding a few hormones is not going to reduce height by several inches.

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Actually that is exactly what you are doing. Nobody is talking about forcing anyone to do anything. Tito and his five imaginary IFS are just something he has to invent, to pretend he has anything approaching a reasonable argument.

The thread title explicitly asks whether transgendered people should be ALLOWED to box.

Of the actual female boxers asked, three were quite happy to box them. They apparently did not count because as men you both think you should be able to decide for them. If not, why are their thoughts excluded?

So here you and Tito are telling those women who they can box. Nobody else has suggested anywhere that boxers, female or male should be forced to fight anyone. In fact I quite explicitly stated again and again all through the thread as adults they should be able to decide who to box themselves.All this mandatory stuff is hypothetical nonsense like the crap you have to make up to not even give women the right to think and decide for themselves.

Plenty of women smaller than you, could beat the living shite out of you. That is a fact however superior your untrained, inexperienced skinny/fat body may feel. it is all in your head.

A fight against a pro female boxer at almost any weight would be ...beyond you. ;D

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You are just making things up, Lawrence. I said that in most cases the man would beat the shit out of the woman. Cut off Manny's tackle, pump him full of hormones and see what happens. I am not saying a woman cannot make her own decision, I am saying she would would most likely get beaten up. This is why men do not hit women. Stop making things up.

I could probably beat the living shite out of you too and you are dickless wonder, so all is fair in your world.

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Also, why would I have to face professional women? Surely as a novice with a recent chop and hormone stimulus, I should be fighting ordinary women on the street. I am quite sure that most women would turn down the offer of a duel with a drag queen incarnation of Paul Williams saying "Sorry luv, but I am watching Coronation Street in a bit". It would be like suggesting I go in with professional men in my current penis enhanced condition. Of course I would have a hard time as I am not a boxer. But the average bloke in the street around my weight? It is a more even contest. Would win some and lose others. It all depends on my camp, my campness, and how well Walrus guides me with his military routines and Brock with his psychological game. My own natural intelligence is also key. I have that chess player intelligence like Wlad and I am not afraid to make it ugly to get my way. Following the rules of boxing one is going to have to close the gap and get me. I challenge you to be a real Jew and cut it off, Beanz. You can't go around fighting the Gentiles with that thing flopping around like an elephant trunk lost in the safari. Once you deal with the elephant in the room we shall talk.

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What is ironic/funny/tragic about the whole argument is how the very 'identity politics' that are seen as being so distasteful are being employed by those supposedly arguing against them.

So Ron can post this

'What should be considered and is ignored in this is that no woman would be forced to fight a transgender woman, or more correctly another woman. But when you say “you can’t because...” someone is being forced. Someone is having their rights taken away. The simple and fair solution is let people decide who they want to fight and don’t want to fight. That couldn’t possibly be more obvious and if you return to this debate in 20 years it will be as obvious as it should be now. '


And purely because Ron posted it, people can't bring themselves to be aligned to it, even if they agree.

Am I missing something? Only there seems to be a theme here that has seeped across the forum. Sure we can all agree to disagree still. Even take the piss out of opposite opinions but inventing enemies, by creating your opponents and their position for them is just daft.

You cannot argue some kind of libertarian position and then deny that freedom from those you are so valiantly claiming to defend. The only people forcing anything on anyone are those claiming that transgender women should not be able to fight 'born' women. Even when those 'born' women are happy to fight them.

It's no coincidence those female boxers are not quoted here. It's no coincidence the thread title is suggesting even trans boxers being able to box anyone (each other?) is supposedly up for debate. Allowed?

It's a sad indictment where merely liking a post morphs into a ringing endorsement of every word and can become the tinder(oooh er) to ignite a flame war. Hell, even using the word 'nuance' becomes a supposed indicator of God knows what.

Why is it such an anathema for posters to admit to being in agreement?

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What is ironic/funny/tragic about the whole argument is how the very 'identity politics' that are seen as being so distasteful are being employed by those supposedly arguing against them.

So Ron can post this

'What should be considered and is ignored in this is that no woman would be forced to fight a transgender woman, or more correctly another woman. But when you say “you can’t because...” someone is being forced. Someone is having their rights taken away. The simple and fair solution is let people decide who they want to fight and don’t want to fight. That couldn’t possibly be more obvious and if you return to this debate in 20 years it will be as obvious as it should be now. '


And purely because Ron posted it, people can't bring themselves to be aligned to it, even if they agree.

Am I missing something? Only there seems to be a theme here that has seeped across the forum. Sure we can all agree to disagree still. Even take the piss out of opposite opinions but inventing enemies, by creating your opponents and their position for them is just daft.

You cannot argue some kind of libertarian position and then deny that freedom from those you are so valiantly claiming to defend. The only people forcing anything on anyone are those claiming that transgender women should not be able to fight 'born' women. Even when those 'born' women are happy to fight them.

It's no coincidence those female boxers are not quoted here. It's no coincidence the thread title is suggesting even trans boxers being able to box anyone (each other?) is supposedly up for debate. Allowed?

It's a sad indictment where merely liking a post morphs into a ringing endorsement of every word and can become the tinder(oooh er) to ignite a flame war. Hell, even using the word 'nuance' becomes a supposed indicator of God knows what.

Why is it such an anathema for posters to admit to being in agreement?

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"Agreeing to disagree" is obviously something not programmed into your DNA, so I'd rather you not mention something you've never had any intention of doing.

The "inventing enemies" and "creating opponents and their positions" part is just as hilarious as it's always been. It has always been the proverbial straw you clutch at when all else is falling apart.



Now... if you were to practice what you preach regarding the "agreeing to disagree" part, you'd accept the fact that some of us do not agree with transgenders fighting born women boxers. In addition, if you had an objective, unbiased bone in your body, you'd admit the whole mess started when your buddy Ron called me "sexist" for having an opinion. Never mind he probably hasn't got the foggiest idea what "sexist" actually means, nor that he knows diddly squat about me as a person, which completely disqualifies him from having the right to make such a damning statement. But no. Being the flawed personality you are, and having that knee-jerk reaction to all things transgender, you rushed to thank him for the insult hurled at me. Does that describe the facts in a nutshell?

I've clearly stated my reasons for having the opinion that I do, but I'll gladly state them again at the risk of repetition but for the sake of clarity.


1. Allowing transgenders to fight women boxers would begin benignly enough, with those who refuse to fight them being allowed their position. In an ideal world, the story would end right there. But we don't live in an ideal world, do we. At some point there would be more and more transgenders in women's boxing, and at some point any woman choosing to pursue a professional boxing career would have to face the prospect of having to fight a transgender. The idea that gets scoffed at.... as the scenario of a women having a mandatory for her title.... shows how tight your blinders are. For as much as you beat your own chest about how open-minded you are, you certainly have a narrow view of the future.

2. The very definition of transitioning to the other gender is weak and flimsy. That much was shown in Smashup's video of the transgender football player. If you bothered to see the entire video, you'll see the hilariously frightening flimsiness of the definition in some instances. You basically have to "identify" as a woman, and have a low testosterone level. That's all. We're playing with fire here. We don't even know what the hell a transgender female is, yet we're letting them loose on women's boxing. When some of us raise a caution flag, you start waving your "equal rights flag" and lecturing us with your predictable bullshit.

3. You continue harping on those women who have said they'd have no problem fighting transgenders, as if that automatically makes it ok. You dared to tell me it's not "mob rule", yet that is EXACTLY what you're arguing for. Never mind those who don't want any part of that. The fact that some said they'd have no problem with it, automatically cancels out those who would have a problem. It is ME who should tell YOU it's not a mob rule. In this case, where the health and livelihood of women athletes is at stake, even ONE objection should be enough to take a long hard look at what we're about to permit. We're not taking a damn vote here, Beanz.



You and I have been on opposite sides of most a lot of arguments. And like you hypocritically stated above, we should always be able to agree to disagree. But this particular argument sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb. This is where you have disclosed your true self FOR ALL TO SEE. There is no hiding anymore for you.

Again, to hammer the point home.


1. I stated my opinion. I'm not in favor of transgenders in women's boxing. (That is my opinion, the one we're supposed to agree to disagree on). All I'm thinking about is women's safety. I've never been in favor of men beating up on women.

2. For my trouble, I get called a sexist by Ron Swanson, the paragon of knowledge and Mr. Personality on this forum.

3. In comes Beanz, thanking Ron for calling me a sexist because God forbid TitoFan should post an opinion about transgenders and women on the forum.

4. I respond as anyone here would, defending myself.

5. And here we are, more than a hundred posts later, immersed in the same tired old bullshit we always manage to devolve into.



Frankly, I think nothing more need be said.

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What is ironic/funny/tragic about the whole argument is how the very 'identity politics' that are seen as being so distasteful are being employed by those supposedly arguing against them.

So Ron can post this

'What should be considered and is ignored in this is that no woman would be forced to fight a transgender woman, or more correctly another woman. But when you say “you can’t because...” someone is being forced. Someone is having their rights taken away. The simple and fair solution is let people decide who they want to fight and don’t want to fight. That couldn’t possibly be more obvious and if you return to this debate in 20 years it will be as obvious as it should be now. '


And purely because Ron posted it, people can't bring themselves to be aligned to it, even if they agree.

Am I missing something? Only there seems to be a theme here that has seeped across the forum. Sure we can all agree to disagree still. Even take the piss out of opposite opinions but inventing enemies, by creating your opponents and their position for them is just daft.

You cannot argue some kind of libertarian position and then deny that freedom from those you are so valiantly claiming to defend. The only people forcing anything on anyone are those claiming that transgender women should not be able to fight 'born' women. Even when those 'born' women are happy to fight them.

It's no coincidence those female boxers are not quoted here. It's no coincidence the thread title is suggesting even trans boxers being able to box anyone (each other?) is supposedly up for debate. Allowed?

It's a sad indictment where merely liking a post morphs into a ringing endorsement of every word and can become the tinder(oooh er) to ignite a flame war. Hell, even using the word 'nuance' becomes a supposed indicator of God knows what.

Why is it such an anathema for posters to admit to being in agreement?

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Ha I find it funny cause I’ve liked a few posts that set you off but here u are deflecting it on others.

I will fight any of you at a CW of 125 pounds which is the weight I will need to go to minus my penis.

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I will fight any of you at a CW of 125 pounds which is the weight I will need to go to minus my penis.

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You can keep it and weigh over at 125.03 to be fair. I’ll stick to cutting my right leg off and go with a bone marrow extraction. No shark costumes though, that way I wouldn’t know if you’ve had hormone replacement to try and grow a pair of balls or not.

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I will fight any of you at a CW of 125 pounds which is the weight I will need to go to minus my penis.

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You can keep it and weigh over at 125.03 to be fair. I’ll stick to cutting my right leg off and go with a bone marrow extraction. No shark costumes though, that way I wouldn’t know if you’ve had hormone replacement to try and grow a pair of balls or not.

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When the council puts up a sign saying 'No ball games' are they trying to tell us something? I think all this gender lark is going way too far.

I don’t know much about councils, aside from that clearly wasn’t the reason you fled yours for Korea :box3:.

​So, would Buffalo Bill beat Serena Williams over ten rounds then?

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Serena?? She would beat Buffalo Bill into submission and then break him in half with a deathly leg grip.

I can't be bothered to read through the entire thread, fuck me we might as well bring Brock back

my opinion is that NO transgendered people shouldn't be allowed to participate in professional sports.

Male to Female - they are going to obviously have a huge advantage and potential to seriously fuck someone up in boxing
Female to Male - yeah it may be the transgendered persons choice but what if the male boxer doesn't feel comfortable punching a woman in the face, so they aren't technically a female anymore but I know that I would have a bit of a problem with it.

going back to the videos that I posted earlier in this thread, that Hannah mouncey person as already snapped some birds leg whilst playing in the Australian Football League

Hmm... things have gotten quite chippy on the forum.

I guess the only thing worse would be a Muslim, transgender woman who wanted to fight born women while wearing a MAGA hat, had previously fathered a child who was now a famous drag queen ...... and also knew the Earth is flat. Only to find out in the end it had all been Fake News anyway.

No the whole thing is stupid.

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10 rounds of whiskey or pints sure.