Corbyn attacker get 28 days in prison, Robinson attacked and police do nothing.

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Beanz yet again proving what a jumped up sad obnoxious arrogant little prick he is ������

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By not agreeing with you? If the only way you can win an argument is to hand out a permanent ban just because people refuse to join in with your childish bullying then you are the one on shaky ground. How feeble is not being able to make an argument without having your mates backing you up?

Are you seriously pretending if someone surrounded by his muslim mates got into your face like Tommy did you would just stand there and take it. Of course you wouldn't. You need to learn how to handle people not agreeing with you if you want to offer your services as a Moderator instead of resorting to getting personal like you habitually do.

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Lie after lie to suit your pathetic agenda ������
That young Muslim guy purposely goaded multiple times then assualted 2 women, when challenged he clearly threw a drink over him.
Only did Robinson react.
The footage clearly shows this so stop making up stories and chatting absolute bullshit yet again.
Your pathetic and clearly have mental issues ������

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Again with this demonize the poster rather than deal with the argument bullshit. You don't even speak English mate 'chatting absolute bullshit' ?

What are you 19?

Again you refuse to answer anything because it's one rule for you and another one for muslims, or lefties or whoever doesn't suck up to you. You would never take that crap form Tommy or anyone else, and bumping into people is not assault, neither for that matter is throwing milkshake the same as punching someone as your mates hold him there for you. That is just fucking lame.

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A different debate, Al. However, I agree completely. Nobody is forcing anyone to take on things they cannot afford. However, it would be nicer for the working classes if immigration was halted. It destroys the chances of the poor to compete and drains the countries the migrants come from. Beyond the EU and it is just a complete welfare drain. It is immoral.

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From my perspective of what illegal immigration (and easing of immigration laws) has done for/to America and the American working class. Folks coming from places where they make pennies on the dollar compared to American workers will come to America, get a massive pay rise (which is oftentimes lower than minimum wage) and thereby depress the wages of the working class. They also overload the supply of working class bodies needed for working class jobs thereby further diminishing the wages paid to these working class folks by the very simple law of supply and demand.


Also if you're Mexico or Honduras or Nicaragua or Panama and you're able to either offload pure criminals, ne'er-do-wells, or actual solid workers (who will funnel money back to their family in Panama thereby boosting how much they can spend in Panama or whatever) then you're benefiting your own nation and harming America.


The ONLY people who benefit from massive immigration and open borders are the super wealthy in nations immigrants come from and where they go to. Poor nations will remain poor, wealthy nations will be made poor, and soon those wealthy nations will have the very same gorgeous gated communities with security sat right next to the worst slums, barrios, and favelas imaginable.


Look at California right now it's already happening. And I imagine the same will eventually be true in the UK if not already.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

A different debate, Al. However, I agree completely. Nobody is forcing anyone to take on things they cannot afford. However, it would be nicer for the working classes if immigration was halted. It destroys the chances of the poor to compete and drains the countries the migrants come from. Beyond the EU and it is just a complete welfare drain. It is immoral.

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From my perspective of what illegal immigration (and easing of immigration laws) has done for/to America and the American working class. Folks coming from places where they make pennies on the dollar compared to American workers will come to America, get a massive pay rise (which is oftentimes lower than minimum wage) and thereby depress the wages of the working class. They also overload the supply of working class bodies needed for working class jobs thereby further diminishing the wages paid to these working class folks by the very simple law of supply and demand.


Also if you're Mexico or Honduras or Nicaragua or Panama and you're able to either offload pure criminals, ne'er-do-wells, or actual solid workers (who will funnel money back to their family in Panama thereby boosting how much they can spend in Panama or whatever) then you're benefiting your own nation and harming America.


The ONLY people who benefit from massive immigration and open borders are the super wealthy in nations immigrants come from and where they go to. Poor nations will remain poor, wealthy nations will be made poor, and soon those wealthy nations will have the very same gorgeous gated communities with security sat right next to the worst slums, barrios, and favelas imaginable.


Look at California right now it's already happening. And I imagine the same will eventually be true int he UK if not already.

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The predictable anti-immigration argument this has descended into is a clear example of the scapegoating that has come to replace facing any real search for truth or answers. It is a false argument that is not truer for being repeated again and again. immigration not only creates jobs and wealth it is what has made Britain Great. Anyone who argue oterwise knows very little about the history they pretend to value.

Immigrants, the disabled, the unemployed are all rolled out as excuses for spending cuts and the church of austerity. Look at the heart of this tread and what is alleged. It could just as easily be Titled -


White English Bloke gets 28 days in Prison, Foreign Muslim scum gets let off by the PC babies in power



The resentment is not just palpable it is blatant. People want an easy life and they think difficult questions, even competition for work is unfair whilst telling us what good little capitalist slaves they are. You could not make it up. So bitter are they that anyone suggesting that a bloke who has been in and out of prison going around the country starting fights and demonizing Muslims might be a bigot that they have to resort to calling people mentally ill or having Daddy issues or being an arrogant prick.

The anti immigration thing is a very handy fake news distraction from the real issues and the divisiveness and encouragement toward violence is very clear whenever Tommy is mentioned. It is not coincidence it is exactly what he wants because hilariously he can't be bothered to get a proper job.

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Originally Posted by Beanz

The predictable anti-immigration argument this has descended into is a clear example of the scapegoating that has come to replace facing any real search for truth or answers. It is a false argument that is not truer for being repeated again and again. immigration not only creates jobs and wealth it is what has made Britain Great. Anyone who argue oterwise knows very little about the history they pretend to value.

Immigrants, the disabled, the unemployed are all rolled out as excuses for spending cuts and the church of austerity. Look at the heart of this tread and what is alleged. It could just as easily be Titled -


White English Bloke gets 28 days in Prison, Foreign Muslim scum gets let off by the PC babies in power



The resentment is not just palpable it is blatant. People want an easy life and they think difficult questions, even competition for work is unfair whilst telling us what good little capitalist slaves they are. You could not make it up. So bitter are they that anyone suggesting that a bloke who has been in and out of prison going around the country starting fights and demonizing Muslims might be a bigot that they have to resort to calling people mentally ill or having Daddy issues or being an arrogant prick.

The anti immigration thing is a very handy fake news distraction from the real issues and the divisiveness and encouragement toward violence is very clear whenever Tommy is mentioned. It is not coincidence it is exactly what he wants because hilariously he can't be bothered to get a proper job.

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Well I'm very much against ILLEGAL immigration, but if you'd like to stretch that to immigration as a whole fine, paint me with that brush as well. As long as America has homeless citizens let alone 1 single solitary homeless veteran, then yeah I'll be happy to stand by "Fuck all immigrants" 100%. I always state that America already has certain issues which we need to fix before we should attempt to fix the world's problems. We don't need to import more killers or rapists or welfare leeches. That's obviously not to say that 100% of ALL immigrants are those things, but I AM saying we don't need any more of those, we're full we've got enough. We'll take the best doctors, we'll take the best scientists, we'll take the best engineers, but let the blue collars catch up a bit, let the average worker see a pay rise, let the average person boost their income before we start trying to save every single NON American the world can throw at us. What of assimilation? What makes Americans or Brits American or British? What binds their people together as citizens of America or England/UK?

I'm sorry you are put off by my caring about my fellow countrymen, I would have assumed you'd care more about your neighbor than some person from way far away. Are there BAD American and British citizens? Yes as sure as there are BAD immigrants! To not admit that is to deny reality.

Diversity for the sake of diversity is not a strength and if it is, please show your work on that. I liked when Americans loved their country and didn't think it brave or admirable to burn the flag or wish death to the President or chant "No USA at all"....which they're certainly free to do but when they act on such a thing the consequences should be swift and severe. America has diversity we don't need to import more, the UK has diversity perhaps so much that one can no longer tell the UK is the UK and not Riyadh unless you take the weather into account.

Well the last time Tommy was in prison A#1 he was railroaded by your court system and is likely to be railroaded again...what better way to FOSTER resentment than by having the government treat a citizen in such a manner while at the very same time that very same government has ALLOWED (and some participated) from 20-30 years of grooming gangs!!! Resentment is an issue? take it up with your government as they're the origin of it! And #2 Last time Tommy was in jail he lost 40 pounds of weight because he ate 1 tin of tuna a day as he figured the other inmates who made his food (guess who, since he was PURPOSELY moved to a prison with a high population of ______) may have poisoned/tampered with it. But I suppose "he asked for it" will be the response, it's as if he was a young girl in Rotherham....they asked for it too don't you know.

I know of NOBODY who says "Tommy Robinson is the perfect man" that isn't even on my radar in the discussion about immigration.

Capitalism works, that simply cannot be denied! This bastardization of Capitalism called Corporatism is a totalitarian version of it in which the Corporation now makes the laws and governs the people....and I don't like that I think it's just as bad as Communism and this Immigration push, Globalization push, it'll help the powers that be (the Political and Economic) take your rights away and if you don't see that coming then I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

A different debate, Al. However, I agree completely. Nobody is forcing anyone to take on things they cannot afford. However, it would be nicer for the working classes if immigration was halted. It destroys the chances of the poor to compete and drains the countries the migrants come from. Beyond the EU and it is just a complete welfare drain. It is immoral.

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From my perspective of what illegal immigration (and easing of immigration laws) has done for/to America and the American working class. Folks coming from places where they make pennies on the dollar compared to American workers will come to America, get a massive pay rise (which is oftentimes lower than minimum wage) and thereby depress the wages of the working class. They also overload the supply of working class bodies needed for working class jobs thereby further diminishing the wages paid to these working class folks by the very simple law of supply and demand.


Also if you're Mexico or Honduras or Nicaragua or Panama and you're able to either offload pure criminals, ne'er-do-wells, or actual solid workers (who will funnel money back to their family in Panama thereby boosting how much they can spend in Panama or whatever) then you're benefiting your own nation and harming America.


The ONLY people who benefit from massive immigration and open borders are the super wealthy in nations immigrants come from and where they go to. Poor nations will remain poor, wealthy nations will be made poor, and soon those wealthy nations will have the very same gorgeous gated communities with security sat right next to the worst slums, barrios, and favelas imaginable.


Look at California right now it's already happening. And I imagine the same will eventually be true int he UK if not already.

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The predictable anti-immigration argument this has descended into is a clear example of the scapegoating that has come to replace facing any real search for truth or answers. It is a false argument that is not truer for being repeated again and again. immigration not only creates jobs and wealth it is what has made Britain Great. Anyone who argue oterwise knows very little about the history they pretend to value.

Immigrants, the disabled, the unemployed are all rolled out as excuses for spending cuts and the church of austerity. Look at the heart of this tread and what is alleged. It could just as easily be Titled -


White English Bloke gets 28 days in Prison, Foreign Muslim scum gets let off by the PC babies in power



The resentment is not just palpable it is blatant. People want an easy life and they think difficult questions, even competition for work is unfair whilst telling us what good little capitalist slaves they are. You could not make it up. So bitter are they that anyone suggesting that a bloke who has been in and out of prison going around the country starting fights and demonizing Muslims might be a bigot that they have to resort to calling people mentally ill or having Daddy issues or being an arrogant prick.

The anti immigration thing is a very handy fake news distraction from the real issues and the divisiveness and encouragement toward violence is very clear whenever Tommy is mentioned. It is not coincidence it is exactly what he wants because hilariously he can't be bothered to get a proper job.

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The white English bloke attacked Corbyn a white male , so no race issue there.
Asian guy attacks white male Robinson , so was it a race issue ? did the police take it as a hate crime ?
Did they fuck , I personally wouldn't have charge either person , but I'm sick of the pc brigade treading on eggshells when it comes to the muslim and ethnic groups.
Lets just have one rule for all with same punishment.

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Originally Posted by Beanz

The predictable anti-immigration argument this has descended into is a clear example of the scapegoating that has come to replace facing any real search for truth or answers. It is a false argument that is not truer for being repeated again and again. immigration not only creates jobs and wealth it is what has made Britain Great. Anyone who argue oterwise knows very little about the history they pretend to value.

Immigrants, the disabled, the unemployed are all rolled out as excuses for spending cuts and the church of austerity. Look at the heart of this tread and what is alleged. It could just as easily be Titled -


White English Bloke gets 28 days in Prison, Foreign Muslim scum gets let off by the PC babies in power



The resentment is not just palpable it is blatant. People want an easy life and they think difficult questions, even competition for work is unfair whilst telling us what good little capitalist slaves they are. You could not make it up. So bitter are they that anyone suggesting that a bloke who has been in and out of prison going around the country starting fights and demonizing Muslims might be a bigot that they have to resort to calling people mentally ill or having Daddy issues or being an arrogant prick.

The anti immigration thing is a very handy fake news distraction from the real issues and the divisiveness and encouragement toward violence is very clear whenever Tommy is mentioned. It is not coincidence it is exactly what he wants because hilariously he can't be bothered to get a proper job.

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Well I'm very much against ILLEGAL immigration, but if you'd like to stretch that to immigration as a whole fine, paint me with that brush as well. As long as America has homeless citizens let alone 1 single solitary homeless veteran, then yeah I'll be happy to stand by "Fuck all immigrants" 100%. I always state that America already has certain issues which we need to fix before we should attempt to fix the world's problems. We don't need to import more killers or rapists or welfare leeches. That's obviously not to say that 100% of ALL immigrants are those things, but I AM saying we don't need any more of those, we're full we've got enough. We'll take the best doctors, we'll take the best scientists, we'll take the best engineers, but let the blue collars catch up a bit, let the average worker see a pay rise, let the average person boost their income before we start trying to save every single NON American the world can throw at us. What of assimilation? What makes Americans or Brits American or British? What binds their people together as citizens of America or England/UK?

I'm sorry you are put off by my caring about my fellow countrymen, I would have assumed you'd care more about your neighbor than some person from way far away. Are there BAD American and British citizens? Yes as sure as there are BAD immigrants! To not admit that is to deny reality.

Diversity for the sake of diversity is not a strength and if it is, please show your work on that. I liked when Americans loved their country and didn't think it brave or admirable to burn the flag or wish death to the President or chant "No USA at all"....which they're certainly free to do but when they act on such a thing the consequences should be swift and severe. America has diversity we don't need to import more, the UK has diversity perhaps so much that one can no longer tell the UK is the UK and not Riyadh unless you take the weather into account.

Well the last time Tommy was in prison A#1 he was railroaded by your court system and is likely to be railroaded again...what better way to FOSTER resentment than by having the government treat a citizen in such a manner while at the very same time that very same government has ALLOWED (and some participated) from 20-30 years of grooming gangs!!! Resentment is an issue? take it up with your government as they're the origin of it! And #2 Last time Tommy was in jail he lost 40 pounds of weight because he ate 1 tin of tuna a day as he figured the other inmates who made his food (guess who, since he was PURPOSELY moved to a prison with a high population of ______) may have poisoned/tampered with it. But I suppose "he asked for it" will be the response, it's as if he was a young girl in Rotherham....they asked for it too don't you know.

I know of NOBODY who says "Tommy Robinson is the perfect man" that isn't even on my radar in the discussion about immigration.

Capitalism works, that simply cannot be denied! This bastardization of Capitalism called Corporatism is a totalitarian version of it in which the Corporation now makes the laws and governs the people....and I don't like that I think it's just as bad as Communism and this Immigration push, Globalization push, it'll help the powers that be (the Political and Economic) take your rights away and if you don't see that coming then I don't know what to tell you.

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Miles whom you quoted never makes the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. It is all bad to him and if the guy is victim of western bombing with no legs, it is all the more hilarious for him to scapegoat. So you see I am not painting anyone with a brush at all. If the first thing you type when talking about immigrants is 'Killers, rapists and welfare leeches' though, one would have to assume you are no more immune to Fake News than those you claim to be so different from. Don't forget i never started this thread I am in no way obligated to fall over myself to reinforce this ridiculous idea you have been sold of Tommy as a freedom fighter he is the complete opposite.

Of course I do not care more about my neighbour than someone form far away. That is literally the opposite of Christianity. Anyone can look after their own that is why Jesus talked explicitly about not crossing the road because the person in need was not like you. It is why the hollow excuse of protecting what makes the British Brits or Americans American or Even protecting the values of a Judeo/Christian nation are just excuses for bigotry. Most people don't even begin to understand let alone value, cherish and preserve that they pretend to give a shit about. It's about looking after number one just like Tommy.

Can you not see how daft you telling a British person in Britain when you have never even visited here that 'you can not tell the UK is the UK anymore' is? Not just daft but arrogant. You can buy into the rubbish weirdos like Gnarl of Tarragon and little Tommy like to spin or you can ask people who actually have no axe to grind and live here. It's not about Tommy being the perfect man it's about him showing no respect for the rule of law you keep telling us is paramount. He came to your country with a false passport and you choose to ignore that and then expect people to believe it's about illegal immigration. He risked collapsing a series of linked trials in which the perps were given 200 years and still you want to portray him as the victim? Come on man, move on and learn something. Tommy is an opportunist.

And capitalism absolutely does not work, like every other system it has a shelf life . You are correct in that the bastardization of it that is corporatism is a totalitarian version of it, but it was always it's logical conclusion. People will have to learn to co-operate and share responsibilities, there is no going back. We can't pretend that the world is not what it is and go back to the feudal idea of borders and boundaries that put the majority of land and resources into the hand of a privileged few. Peoples heads were cutt off and the blood filled the streets to get the capitalism that for many has become a secular version of religion. Look at the fervour and superiority that Al and Miles display when they talk about religion as some primitive thing that idiots believe as though they can exist without the natural world that inspired those beliefs. It is a replacement with pilgrimages to Michelin restaurants for one and the elevation of pompous arses like Morrisey,Wilde and Burroughs into Gods for the other.

Don't forget Tommy never exposed one pedo, never helped convict one (quite the opposite) and cannot even bring himself to follow the laws of the country that he does no favours in lying about to the rest of the world. People are quite correct about there being an agenda but it is Robinson and his crowd that are pushing it. The exact same agenda Murdoch and all the other corporate foreign owners of the British and American MSM are pushing and have been for years.

Don't look at us blame your brothers.

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This is a German U boat prisoner being brought ashore in the city I call home in 1943. Look how his hair is brushed and he is treated with respect despite being an enemy combatant. We do not even have that respect for fellow British citizens now in 2019. My Grandfather lived with what was called shellshock for the rest of his life after coming to fight for this country and to fight for the Jews being slaughtered in Europe. My mothers father fought too and his family go back for hundreds of years in the westcountry. Neither of them were Anglo Saxons and 95% of Brits are not and never were. You have been sold a lot of bullshit in order to pretend that this country is something it never was and Robinson is not part of that proud tradition he is part of a tradition that even housewives stood up against in Cable street in 1936.

You can consider me to be what you like but don't pretend that supporting Robinson has anything whatsoever to do with being proud to be English. The guy is even ashamed to be named after a Beatle for fucks sake.

According to the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs (so take it for what it's worth) report titled 'Trends in International Migrant Stock: The 2015 Revision' The United States has a foreign born population of 46,627,102 which is 14.3% of our total population now just think what that means if that almost 47 million doesn't include the ILLEGAL immigrant population in the United States which is anywhere from 11 million to 40 million. If you couple that with this insane idea that assimilation is bad then GIANT problems will arise and we're seeing that. From 1924 to 1965 legal immigration to America was damn near fully stopped and oddly enough the big American economic boom happened inside that window and wage stagnation began shortly thereafter....are the two perhaps linked? Just a question worth pondering.

When I make mention of "killers, rapists, and welfare leeches" I'm saying a couple things #1 America already has those in large enough numbers and #2 There's 0 denying that the per capita crime of illegal immigrants far exceeds that of the average American. There ARE killers and rapists and bums coming to America legally and illegally in great numbers. As a US citizen Nancy Pelosi has told me and everyone else that MS13 GANG MEMBERS have "A spark of the divine"....that's who the elite want to run cover for over our veterans over our citizens whom we have a social safety net for?!?!?

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Of course I do not care more about my neighbour than someone form far away. That is literally the opposite of Christianity. Anyone can look after their own that is why Jesus talked explicitly about not crossing the road because the person in need was not like you.

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I understand the sentiment completely, but we have a social safety net for our citizens. That net disappears by inviting people in who take but do not give. You cannot serve from an empty vessel. When the Titanic sank there weren't enough lifeboats to save 100% of the passengers, should those passengers all been allowed onto lifeboats overloading and capsizing them thereby dooming 100% of the passengers? This is what is happening right now, and yes our culture is a special one and deserves preserving for future generations and that's not going to happen without assimilation.

Also am I not being thoughtful? There was a 3 year old used like a disposable commodity for some jackass to cross the border and the child was left alone in the middle of a desert when the "immigrants" made it across without being caught. I'm sorry I think such a heinous act should be punishable by death. People die trying to get here and they get here and what is it they bring? Diseases from the 19th century? They ruin our schools and hospitals! Is it wrong to think that perhaps their nations should care for THEIR citizens? We send aid in the BILLIONS to nations where these migrant caravans start and I'm sorry it's one or the other not both either the aid stops or the people stop, I'd rather have both stop to be honest and it's not because I'm hateful or want ill feelings. I want to teach them how to fish instead of give them fish.


Capitalism is trading via free will. You have the right of refusal of service, you WILLINGLY enter into deals on your own...what's better than that? Certainly not communism! And nowhere in Capitalist America is it said that communities may not practice Socialism. If that is your choice as a community you're certainly free to make that choice and operate in such a manner. In Socialist nations Capitalism is verboten.

Now as for your family history, you've every right to be proud of that. I wouldn't want to shame anything about it, it should be celebrated....in America we're taking down murals of George Washington now apparently. We're removing statues of causes my ancestors fought for the Revolution and poorly named Civil War. Why? Oh it's to make people of other backgrounds FEEL better. Well I for one wouldn't move to another nation and then demand statues be taken down, but hey that's just me and my ancestors fought to build this nation so I take great issue with erasing their legacy as it is one that deserves to persevere regardless of "FEELINGS"...is no part of true British history worth preserving? Should no legacy remain of Shakespeare of Darwin of Drake of Raleigh of Cornwallis of of Rhodes of Churchill?

Slavery, racism, colonialism...they were ills of an era. Should we all feel shame and sorrow and overturn the victory in WW2 because nuclear bombs were used? Life is bloody and ugly and unfair and the victors write the history. Is our history to be handed over to the aggrieved to write? To what end?

There are so many distortions here that I do not even know where to begin. When it comes to migration, I am against illegal immigration AND excessive migration. I do not think a country the size of the UK has a need for any more than a small stream of temporary labor to be hired on a yearly renewable visa. Currently 300,000 a year flood in legally. Now, I have nothing against them personally and even Legless Alan might be a nice person to joke around with, but I do not think illegal immigration should be rewarded at all.

The idea that legal migration is a boost to the economy is propaganda. I gave the numbers a page or two back and have them here in my book. The cost is tremendous. Then there is the cost of translation services, the health care system, the prison system, and of course the welfare system. It serves no greater good to encourage this. Lyle is right in that it depresses wages for those working and for those not working it raises the welfare bill by tens of billions of pounds.

There is no common sense to it. I won't
respond to Beanz posts in detail here as he seems to be running on emotion going by the things he is saying and I have no interest in a discussion like that. If those are the 'rules of debate' then they are not for me. If I see someone being racist then I will point it out. But I will also point out facts like Indians performing very well in the UK but it being illegal for foreigners to buy property in India. I will point out that foreigners have similar problems in other countries like Vietnam and Thailand too. The world does not operate like we do. Are they all racist for having limits? Or are they sensibly controlling their countries in the interests of their own population?

You can claim to care just as much about the guy from far away as the person close. However, in the real world it is not so simple. I challenge you to go around the world Beanz and find yourself treated in that way. You will always be an outsider because the system is not designed to give you the same rights and protection as a citizen. I don't think you really understand the world at large so well.

You are totally at odds with the view of ordinary people and this is why it is making people upset. It has been 20 years of non stop migration in the millions and you lie when you say this is historically normal. It isn't. Show me when in UK history 8 million people moved in regardless of culture and settled in a 20 year span. It has never happened.

I listed only 3 countries there, but I can list dozens more if asked. It is something I have of course looked into a fair bit.

I think we all get a little up in arms with our political views (I'm certainly guilty of that). And that perhaps being the case I know I have in the past read more pointed vitriol into otherwise tame posts.

We should disagree we should speak our piece we should be able to defend our points of view. We should also recognize that here at Saddo's we're not going to achieve world peace or anything like that.

Let's just try to hear each other out. Beanz has some points I wholeheartedly agree with, perhaps not to the same extent but the same vein of thought, same moral ground.

Tommy Robinson IS a controversial figure there's no argument against that. Tommy also speaks a truth that career politicians wouldn't dare touch. Tommy is also of a class which hasn't ever held much power in England. The working class are always spoken TO or FOR when was the last time they spoke for themselves at such a level? There's PLENTY of politicians with pasts as dirty as Tommy. There's been actual legit RACISTS in parliament and I don't think Tommy is racist so much as he's against 1 specific religion that being Islam of course, but even then there's members of parliament against 1 religion as well but they don't catch the grief Tommy does.

Why does Raheem Kassam not get the press Tommy does? They are on the same side of the isle yet Kassam is attacked for supporting Tommy more than espousing similar beliefs. Odd.

My own take is that it is good to help, but it is not a solution to move the world in yearly increments of 300,000 to England and it is mostly England they head to. I think there are ways and means of doing things. Even in terms of refugees, the vast majority are NOT refugees, so even then people are just trying to take advantage knowing that the UK will for instance dish out 100 billion a year in benefits or else allow you to earn a wage many times more than that of your homeland. That is an economic migrants and should not be allowed to pass as a refugee. Most migrants are economic refugees and that needs to be limited. A lot. The West, in my opinion, is too soft and millions have now taken advantage of it and they bring their own cultures and ways with them and often not many skills. So if anyone needs to be helped, we first of all do not sell arms to countries, secondly we do not invade countries, and thirdly we provide assistance to countries, but not by simply giving money to tyrants who let us keep military bases.

At the end of the day I feel no responsibility for the overpopulation of the planet. Morally I think that is the responsibility of those who are choosing to have children. I am not responsible for African birth rates. If you have a baby, then you better be ready to provide and that is totally on you. We should not feel guilt about this. Those are personal choices and I think self responsibility is fundamental. The furthest I will stretch to is believing a redistribution of taxes, to a certain degree, is fair and moral, to the extent that we promote equality of opportunity in our own countries, but it is not the duty of our countries to house the world and seemingly give away low skilled jobs or benefits whilst our own populace struggles. A few years ago child homelessness was at record levels, food bank use was at record levels. There are enough problems already and they are not being fixed.

I am not against immigration. I just think it should be controlled. Much more so. And you should not be able to bring in extended family and things of this nature. I posit the example of my friend who has been here for 10 years and every year renews his visa for a year. He accepts that he is a guest and knows that he can go home at any time if he wants to. Personally I think that is a bit harsh as he has never claimed welfare, always worked, paid his taxes, and provides value to the lives of thousands of young adults. I think he deserves better. However, this is how the rest of the world is. India, Korea, Japan, Thailand, China, Vietnam, the list really is a long one and you don't get a free pass without a passport, some required skill, and even then your pass is very restricted, typically to yearly increments. In many places you cannot purchase property and your rights are restricted. So much so that citizenship is very hard to obtain, especially if you are working full time teaching another language like my friend. That's a chap who has written books, has a wealth of experience, and continues to contribute. Next year, back to the immigration office.

This is where my perspective comes from. I don't think we owe Abdul from Pakistan anything and I feel no responsibility towards him. I wish him well, I hope he manages to improve his country, but unless he has skills another country needs, then he does not get a permanent free pass.

I think what makes Beanz angry is that he's derived from immigrants himself so is sympathetic to anyone else like him regardless of whether or not they represent a death cult.
He probably feels like he doesn't fit in or has been treated badly which is what fuels his anger.

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Do not dictate to me how to debate then. Two can play at pedantics.

That man was haranguing Robinson earlier on like a loony. Along the way he crashed into a couple of women. The police refused to act. Then later on when called out on his irrational and reckless conduct he violently threw an unknown substance into Robinson's face.

Now you can dress that up however you like with nonsense about racism and bullying, but that man was out of control and if he had done that to anyone except Robinson been charged with assault.

You have no problems with assaulting people because you falsely deem them racist. That's low.

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Still refusing to answer or even watch anything that questions the official Tommy narrative you have bought into then?

It was milkshake. Just because he is Asian does not mean he carries around acid in a McDoanlds milkshake container and then drinks it because internal burns are worth it to cream over Tommy. You are just embarrassing yourself now. You seem to want to bum racists rather than call them out for what they are.

You defend racists routinely. It is what you do. Stefan, Saragon, Tommy, etc

At least you do so openly now.

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Thank goodness it was milkshake, right? :rolleyes:

I am not embarrassing myself in the slightest and I find it difficult to answer questions such as the following as it is so blatantly ridiculous and hyperbolic:
"Does Jezza walk down the street with a gang of lefties, getting into people's faces,aggresively insisting that people become a muslim as Diane Abott and Jonh Prescott and twenty other stout drinking union members wait around to body slam, closeline and punch anyone who refuses?"

Is that seriously a question? You do know some MP's have actually encouraged more of this behavior, right? :-\

If you want to see how Tommy Robinson goes about discussing things with Muslims who are willing to treat him like a human being rather than use him as a milkshake drain, then this is how he does it. Is he being racist? Is he being aggressive? Is he punching her? Is he getting her in a headlock? Even she doesn't think he hates her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rED4U9nuUQ

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Interesting exchange.

It must be hated by the Robinson extremists and his haters. :D

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Do not dictate to me how to debate then. Two can play at pedantics.

That man was haranguing Robinson earlier on like a loony. Along the way he crashed into a couple of women. The police refused to act. Then later on when called out on his irrational and reckless conduct he violently threw an unknown substance into Robinson's face.

Now you can dress that up however you like with nonsense about racism and bullying, but that man was out of control and if he had done that to anyone except Robinson been charged with assault.

You have no problems with assaulting people because you falsely deem them racist. That's low.

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Still refusing to answer or even watch anything that questions the official Tommy narrative you have bought into then?

It was milkshake. Just because he is Asian does not mean he carries around acid in a McDoanlds milkshake container and then drinks it because internal burns are worth it to cream over Tommy. You are just embarrassing yourself now. You seem to want to bum racists rather than call them out for what they are.

You defend racists routinely. It is what you do. Stefan, Saragon, Tommy, etc

At least you do so openly now.

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Thank goodness it was milkshake, right? :rolleyes:

I am not embarrassing myself in the slightest and I find it difficult to answer questions such as the following as it is so blatantly ridiculous and hyperbolic:
"Does Jezza walk down the street with a gang of lefties, getting into people's faces,aggresively insisting that people become a muslim as Diane Abott and Jonh Prescott and twenty other stout drinking union members wait around to body slam, closeline and punch anyone who refuses?"

Is that seriously a question? You do know some MP's have actually encouraged more of this behavior, right? :-\

If you want to see how Tommy Robinson goes about discussing things with Muslims who are willing to treat him like a human being rather than use him as a milkshake drain, then this is how he does it. Is he being racist? Is he being aggressive? Is he punching her? Is he getting her in a headlock? Even she doesn't think he hates her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rED4U9nuUQ

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Interesting exchange.

It must be hated by the Robinson extremists and his haters. :D

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Beanz will be telling us it was a set up, staged and used a "Stunt Muslim" 😁

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The girl above is... and she's the most sensible person in this thread. :D

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She is still incredibly naive and was completely lost as she tried to describe Robinson as a 'Nationalist gh fjf ss' She had no idea what she was talking about there. She also seems to know very little about her religion considering her age and upbringing. Then there was the weird argument about poverty which I would debunk by saying that I know plenty of poor people and was poor myself and never did we resort to the kinds of crimes seen in Manchester, in Rotherham, or anything like that. You read books, you go to school, you get on with it. If you just get a job and live within your means then you escape poverty, but if you have 4 children, then you struggle. It ends up being an intelligence and common sense issue. She will learn. However, in saying that I think it was a very respectful exchange and she seems reasonable.

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I think what makes Beanz angry is that he's derived from immigrants himself so is sympathetic to anyone else like him regardless of whether or not they represent a death cult.
He probably feels like he doesn't fit in or has been treated badly which is what fuels his anger.

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The problem with that theory is that I am not angry. People seem to think if they keep saying it, it will make it true and that is some kind of substitute for an argument. It just shows how bereft of ideas you are.

Both my parents were born in England but that apparently is not enough for many to consider one English here. Not elsewhere. Recently it's been fine to have a fascist flag as an avatar, a white power symbol, be a holocaust denier, boast about gunning down immigrants etc here on Saddo and yet you are more offended by someone calling a spade a spade.

When you yourself as a mod advocate using a women's child as a suicide bomb and resort to replacing my signature with pictures of genitals and quips about circumcision you can no longer take the moral high ground.

The mods tolerated Freedom bending them over a barrel because you all hid behind the same argument that Tommy, Al and you use, insisting that prejudice, bigotry, whatever you want you call it, toward a religion is not the same as racism, when to all intents and purposes it is.

It leads to the crazy situation we have now where public figures like Peterson insist that somebody killing 50 muslims in NZ was not Islamophobic. Then Miles repeats it. Then just like Miles speaking for the UK in which he does not live, you lie just like Miles does and insist most kiwis and aussies don't give a shit and blame the muslims themselves.

Most English, most Brits do not agree with you or Tommy or Al or Miles, you are in the minority.

You and your fellow extremist do not speak for us anymore than a twat from Luton can claim to speak for the northwest, who do not want him, and some millenial bearded wanker from Swindon does not speak for the southwest.

I have been confused for a while regarding Beanz stance on lots of subjects here, over the past 7 years or so ive had messages that contradict themselves and what is said in threads.
He unconditionally defends open door policy (anyone who doesnt agreed is a right wing Nazi in his opinion), he takes the time to march in London protesting about cuts in benefits ? very strange indeed if the cuts don't affect you personally, why would anyone take time of work to do that ?
Now he claims to be a successful self employed businessman, looking back at messages that is questionable , however would any successful businessman need to sell their house to go on a holiday which would cost around 10 -15 grand ?
Or does the contradiction explain why a person would march in London protesting about benefit cuts.

Its is very easy to claim to do things or say something to prop up your argument here, but if you are going to tell porkies you need to be consistent and remember what you have said previously.

Anyone can win an argument by twisting their point of view to suit, however throwing the word keyboard warrior at people like Miles is really the pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone here has their own mind and opinion but when you are constantly telling people they are wrong it gets pretty tiresome.

I alway say it how it is here, on the subjects of cuisine, travel, or subject about our failing system.
For example of his claims - Robinson campaining in the north west which as you know is my home, I personally dont think Robinson is a great role model however Beanz says NOBODY IN THE NORTHWEST WANTS HIM !
Actually there are many people of all ages even people 60's-70's not just younger who actually want change and support Robinson, this is my point he tells us things based on what how the fuck does he know about people of the NW ?
Fact is he doesnt, and if he has read it in the press then it isnt a real reperesentaion of the REAL people who live there. Its called keeping a lid on things by the media and powers that be, Bolton has taken in more Migrants than any other town in the UK that is a fact and the locals are sick of it and its totally to do with the local Labour council, hence why they have lost control in the local elections.

Another example if someone quotes from the press it is absolutely wrong , if Beanz quotes from the press it is absolutely 100% the truth.
Double standards ?

Answers on a post card.

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I have been confused for a while regarding Beanz stance on lots of subjects here, over the past 7 years or so ive had messages that contradict themselves and what is said in threads.
He unconditionally defends open door policy (anyone who doesnt agreed is a right wing Nazi in his opinion), he takes the time to march in London protesting about cuts in benefits ? very strange indeed if the cuts don't affect you personally, why would anyone take time of work to do that ?
Now he claims to be a successful self employed businessman, looking back at messages that is questionable , however would any successful businessman need to sell their house to go on a holiday which would cost around 10 -15 grand ?
Or does the contradiction explain why a person would march in London protesting about benefit cuts.

Its is very easy to claim to do things or say something to prop up your argument here, but if you are going to tell porkies you need to be consistent and remember what you have said previously.

Anyone can win an argument by twisting their point of view to suit, however throwing the word keyboard warrior at people like Miles is really the pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone here has their own mind and opinion but when you are constantly telling people they are wrong it gets pretty tiresome.

I alway say it how it is here, on the subjects of cuisine, travel, or subject about our failing system.
For example of his claims - Robinson campaining in the north west which as you know is my home, I personally dont think Robinson is a great role model however Beanz says NOBODY IN THE NORTHWEST WANTS HIM !
Actually there are many people of all ages even people 60's-70's not just younger who actually want change and support Robinson, this is my point he tells us things based on what how the fuck does he know about people of the NW ?
Fact is he doesnt, and if he has read it in the press then it isnt a real reperesentaion of the REAL people who live there. Its called keeping a lid on things by the media and powers that be, Bolton has taken in more Migrants than any other town in the UK that is a fact and the locals are sick of it and its totally to do with the local Labour council, hence why they have lost control in the local elections.

Another example if someone quotes from the press it is absolutely wrong , if Beanz quotes from the press it is absolutely 100% the truth.
Double standards ?

Answers on a post card.

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No wonder you have to gossip like a girl behind people's backs when you live in such a bubble. Just be a man Al and ask me to my face.

I don't have to justify my life to you. I am self employed but that does not mean I have 10 grand to throw around.

I have never once unconditionally defended an open door policy and neither do I call anyone who disagrees with me a right wing nazi. You have to resort to that kind of bullshit because you like throwing your weight around but it's not true.

My Mrs is disabled and isn't about to be miraculously cured so now the kids have left home we are going to sell up and downsize to travel a bit before it becomes impossible for her. I have a lot of health issues but I do not claim disability benefits however many times you pm people telling them I do. I don't want a blue Peter badge or medal just an acknowledgement that of course many disabled people work without stealing your precious pennies.

If course I don't speak for you Region and have never claimed to but my mated lived in Warrington and my Mrs brother lived in Bolton for a couple years so I am not totally clueless. Most people will not vote for Robinson not because they are lefties but because they are decent English people.

Just because you would never march or protest to support others I would not be boasting about it mate. I was so proud of my Mrs walking that entire march when she could and don't regret for a moment taking one day off working to show solidarity with thousands of people, including veterans, and the families of those killed by the austerity measures you defend.

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I think what makes Beanz angry is that he's derived from immigrants himself so is sympathetic to anyone else like him regardless of whether or not they represent a death cult.
He probably feels like he doesn't fit in or has been treated badly which is what fuels his anger.

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The problem with that theory is that I am not angry. People seem to think if they keep saying it, it will make it true and that is some kind of substitute for an argument. It just shows how bereft of ideas you are.

Both my parents were born in England but that apparently is not enough for many to consider one English here. Not elsewhere. Recently it's been fine to have a fascist flag as an avatar, a white power symbol, be a holocaust denier, boast about gunning down immigrants etc here on Saddo and yet you are more offended by someone calling a spade a spade.

When you yourself as a mod advocate using a women's child as a suicide bomb and resort to replacing my signature with pictures of genitals and quips about circumcision you can no longer take the moral high ground.

The mods tolerated Freedom bending them over a barrel because you all hid behind the same argument that Tommy, Al and you use, insisting that prejudice, bigotry, whatever you want you call it, toward a religion is not the same as racism, when to all intents and purposes it is.

It leads to the crazy situation we have now where public figures like Peterson insist that somebody killing 50 muslims in NZ was not Islamophobic. Then Miles repeats it. Then just like Miles speaking for the UK in which he does not live, you lie just like Miles does and insist most kiwis and aussies don't give a shit and blame the muslims themselves.

Most English, most Brits do not agree with you or Tommy or Al or Miles, you are in the minority.

You and your fellow extremist do not speak for us anymore than a twat from Luton can claim to speak for the northwest, who do not want him, and some millenial bearded wanker from Swindon does not speak for the southwest.

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That is interesting because I didn't even know what Peterson had said about it. See, you follow him more than me. What I actually said was that he was partly shocked by what he saw in France which is the results of open borders. Go to Saudi Arabia as a Jew and see how well multi culturalism works for you, Beanz. All I am saying is that it is one way traffic and some people, who do become extreme, are going to feel boxed in, and lash out. I don't want to see that happen. I really don't want to to see innocent people killed or for New Zealand to turn fascist as a consequence.

I don't claim to be speaking for the entire UK either. That is in your head. I speak for myself and know that Robinson has a following because I know that his Facebook page was prolific, his You Tube channel growing, his Panodrama documentary was viewed by millions, by his book sales. Of course he has a following. He is pretty popular in the North which I don't think you know so well. That is where they converted me away from Corbynism. It is a dangerous place!

If we are all in the minority, then why is Brexit what people want? How about an actual referendum on immigration and see where that leads? I challenge you on that. You will be pretty upset.

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I have been confused for a while regarding Beanz stance on lots of subjects here, over the past 7 years or so ive had messages that contradict themselves and what is said in threads.
He unconditionally defends open door policy (anyone who doesnt agreed is a right wing Nazi in his opinion), he takes the time to march in London protesting about cuts in benefits ? very strange indeed if the cuts don't affect you personally, why would anyone take time of work to do that ?
Now he claims to be a successful self employed businessman, looking back at messages that is questionable , however would any successful businessman need to sell their house to go on a holiday which would cost around 10 -15 grand ?
Or does the contradiction explain why a person would march in London protesting about benefit cuts.

Its is very easy to claim to do things or say something to prop up your argument here, but if you are going to tell porkies you need to be consistent and remember what you have said previously.

Anyone can win an argument by twisting their point of view to suit, however throwing the word keyboard warrior at people like Miles is really the pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone here has their own mind and opinion but when you are constantly telling people they are wrong it gets pretty tiresome.

I alway say it how it is here, on the subjects of cuisine, travel, or subject about our failing system.
For example of his claims - Robinson campaining in the north west which as you know is my home, I personally dont think Robinson is a great role model however Beanz says NOBODY IN THE NORTHWEST WANTS HIM !
Actually there are many people of all ages even people 60's-70's not just younger who actually want change and support Robinson, this is my point he tells us things based on what how the fuck does he know about people of the NW ?
Fact is he doesnt, and if he has read it in the press then it isnt a real reperesentaion of the REAL people who live there. Its called keeping a lid on things by the media and powers that be, Bolton has taken in more Migrants than any other town in the UK that is a fact and the locals are sick of it and its totally to do with the local Labour council, hence why they have lost control in the local elections.

Another example if someone quotes from the press it is absolutely wrong , if Beanz quotes from the press it is absolutely 100% the truth.
Double standards ?

Answers on a post card.

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No wonder you have to gossip like a girl behind people's backs when you live in such a bubble. Just be a man Al and ask me to my face.

I don't have to justify my life to you. I am self employed but that does not mean I have 10 grand to throw around.

I have never once unconditionally defended an open door policy and neither do I call anyone who disagrees with me a right wing nazi. You have to resort to that kind of bullshit because you like throwing your weight around but it's not true.

My Mrs is disabled and isn't about to be miraculously cured so now the kids have left home we are going to sell up and downsize to travel a bit before it becomes impossible for her. I have a lot of health issues but I do not claim disability benefits however many times you pm people telling them I do. I don't want a blue Peter badge or medal just an acknowledgement that of course many disabled people work without stealing your precious pennies.

If course I don't speak for you Region and have never claimed to but my mated lived in Warrington and my Mrs brother lived in Bolton for a couple years so I am not totally clueless. Most people will not vote for Robinson not because they are lefties but because they are decent English people.

Just because you would never march or protest to support others I would not be boasting about it mate. I was so proud of my Mrs walking that entire march when she could and don't regret for a moment taking one day off working to show solidarity with thousands of people, including veterans, and the families of those killed by the austerity measures you defend.

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I'm tired of trying to pick out the parts that are fact and what is fabrication, so lets leave it at that.

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I have been confused for a while regarding Beanz stance on lots of subjects here, over the past 7 years or so ive had messages that contradict themselves and what is said in threads.
He unconditionally defends open door policy (anyone who doesnt agreed is a right wing Nazi in his opinion), he takes the time to march in London protesting about cuts in benefits ? very strange indeed if the cuts don't affect you personally, why would anyone take time of work to do that ?
Now he claims to be a successful self employed businessman, looking back at messages that is questionable , however would any successful businessman need to sell their house to go on a holiday which would cost around 10 -15 grand ?
Or does the contradiction explain why a person would march in London protesting about benefit cuts.

Its is very easy to claim to do things or say something to prop up your argument here, but if you are going to tell porkies you need to be consistent and remember what you have said previously.

Anyone can win an argument by twisting their point of view to suit, however throwing the word keyboard warrior at people like Miles is really the pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone here has their own mind and opinion but when you are constantly telling people they are wrong it gets pretty tiresome.

I alway say it how it is here, on the subjects of cuisine, travel, or subject about our failing system.
For example of his claims - Robinson campaining in the north west which as you know is my home, I personally dont think Robinson is a great role model however Beanz says NOBODY IN THE NORTHWEST WANTS HIM !
Actually there are many people of all ages even people 60's-70's not just younger who actually want change and support Robinson, this is my point he tells us things based on what how the fuck does he know about people of the NW ?
Fact is he doesnt, and if he has read it in the press then it isnt a real reperesentaion of the REAL people who live there. Its called keeping a lid on things by the media and powers that be, Bolton has taken in more Migrants than any other town in the UK that is a fact and the locals are sick of it and its totally to do with the local Labour council, hence why they have lost control in the local elections.

Another example if someone quotes from the press it is absolutely wrong , if Beanz quotes from the press it is absolutely 100% the truth.
Double standards ?

Answers on a post card.

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No wonder you have to gossip like a girl behind people's backs when you live in such a bubble. Just be a man Al and ask me to my face.

I don't have to justify my life to you. I am self employed but that does not mean I have 10 grand to throw around.

I have never once unconditionally defended an open door policy and neither do I call anyone who disagrees with me a right wing nazi. You have to resort to that kind of bullshit because you like throwing your weight around but it's not true.

My Mrs is disabled and isn't about to be miraculously cured so now the kids have left home we are going to sell up and downsize to travel a bit before it becomes impossible for her. I have a lot of health issues but I do not claim disability benefits however many times you pm people telling them I do. I don't want a blue Peter badge or medal just an acknowledgement that of course many disabled people work without stealing your precious pennies.

If course I don't speak for you Region and have never claimed to but my mated lived in Warrington and my Mrs brother lived in Bolton for a couple years so I am not totally clueless. Most people will not vote for Robinson not because they are lefties but because they are decent English people.

Just because you would never march or protest to support others I would not be boasting about it mate. I was so proud of my Mrs walking that entire march when she could and don't regret for a moment taking one day off working to show solidarity with thousands of people, including veterans, and the families of those killed by the austerity measures you defend.

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I'm tired of trying to pick out the parts that are fact and what is fabrication, so lets leave it at that.

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The facts are in my post and the fabrication is in yours.

Hope this helps.

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I have been confused for a while regarding Beanz stance on lots of subjects here, over the past 7 years or so ive had messages that contradict themselves and what is said in threads.
He unconditionally defends open door policy (anyone who doesnt agreed is a right wing Nazi in his opinion), he takes the time to march in London protesting about cuts in benefits ? very strange indeed if the cuts don't affect you personally, why would anyone take time of work to do that ?
Now he claims to be a successful self employed businessman, looking back at messages that is questionable , however would any successful businessman need to sell their house to go on a holiday which would cost around 10 -15 grand ?
Or does the contradiction explain why a person would march in London protesting about benefit cuts.

Its is very easy to claim to do things or say something to prop up your argument here, but if you are going to tell porkies you need to be consistent and remember what you have said previously.

Anyone can win an argument by twisting their point of view to suit, however throwing the word keyboard warrior at people like Miles is really the pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone here has their own mind and opinion but when you are constantly telling people they are wrong it gets pretty tiresome.

I alway say it how it is here, on the subjects of cuisine, travel, or subject about our failing system.
For example of his claims - Robinson campaining in the north west which as you know is my home, I personally dont think Robinson is a great role model however Beanz says NOBODY IN THE NORTHWEST WANTS HIM !
Actually there are many people of all ages even people 60's-70's not just younger who actually want change and support Robinson, this is my point he tells us things based on what how the fuck does he know about people of the NW ?
Fact is he doesnt, and if he has read it in the press then it isnt a real reperesentaion of the REAL people who live there. Its called keeping a lid on things by the media and powers that be, Bolton has taken in more Migrants than any other town in the UK that is a fact and the locals are sick of it and its totally to do with the local Labour council, hence why they have lost control in the local elections.

Another example if someone quotes from the press it is absolutely wrong , if Beanz quotes from the press it is absolutely 100% the truth.
Double standards ?

Answers on a post card.

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No wonder you have to gossip like a girl behind people's backs when you live in such a bubble. Just be a man Al and ask me to my face.

I don't have to justify my life to you. I am self employed but that does not mean I have 10 grand to throw around.

I have never once unconditionally defended an open door policy and neither do I call anyone who disagrees with me a right wing nazi. You have to resort to that kind of bullshit because you like throwing your weight around but it's not true.

My Mrs is disabled and isn't about to be miraculously cured so now the kids have left home we are going to sell up and downsize to travel a bit before it becomes impossible for her. I have a lot of health issues but I do not claim disability benefits however many times you pm people telling them I do. I don't want a blue Peter badge or medal just an acknowledgement that of course many disabled people work without stealing your precious pennies.

If course I don't speak for you Region and have never claimed to but my mated lived in Warrington and my Mrs brother lived in Bolton for a couple years so I am not totally clueless. Most people will not vote for Robinson not because they are lefties but because they are decent English people.

Just because you would never march or protest to support others I would not be boasting about it mate. I was so proud of my Mrs walking that entire march when she could and don't regret for a moment taking one day off working to show solidarity with thousands of people, including veterans, and the families of those killed by the austerity measures you defend.

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I'm tired of trying to pick out the parts that are fact and what is fabrication, so lets leave it at that.

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The facts are in my post and the fabrication is in yours.

Hope this helps.

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I truly believe you are a liar , to many inconsistences with you story.
Im sure many here will see that also.
You are full of shit.

'too' many.

You are a bigot Al. That's why you can't belive people not like you can't be decent hard working Englishmen. I don't give a shit what you believe, tooth fairy, Allah, whatever, live your own life.

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'too' many.

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'too' many.

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Excellent spot, the first fact you stated in ages.

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Thanks my pleasure I am sure you would have a good laugh at my building skills... too.

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'too' many.

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Excellent spot, the first fact you stated in ages.

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Thanks my pleasure I am sure you would have a good laugh at my building skills... too.

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Nope I would get you an apprenticeship.

Tommy Robinson's offer of MEP salary rejected by charities

Tommy Robinson’s pledge to donate his hypothetical European parliament salary to child victims of sexual grooming has been criticised as “an insult to survivors of abuse” by women’s groups who said he was “no ally for the children he claims to stand up for”.

More than 40 women and charities including the End Violence Against Women and Girls Coalition declared in a letter to voters and community leaders in the north-west that they would not accept money from the English Defence League founder, criticising Robinson for “factually incorrect messages about grooming”.

Robinson – whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – frequently singles out Muslims as being behind grooming gangs and has been accused of selectively publicising certain child sex abuse cases to promote a wider anti-Islam agenda.

The coalition of women’s groups said Robinson exploited the pain suffered by victims in a self-serving attempt to fuel racial hatred.

“We, as organisations and individuals fighting tirelessly against the abuse of women and girls, as survivors of abuse and their families, and as people who care about our communities, do not want your money, Tommy,” the letter read.

“Those who have suffered sexual and physical abuse were failed by those who should have protected them. But Tommy Robinson is no ally for the children he claims to stand up for. Tommy doesn’t care about the rights of women and girls – he is exploiting the pain of survivors and their families to fuel racist hate for his own gain.”

It added: “Tommy Robinson’s factually incorrect messages about grooming, and his attempt to portray himself as a champion of the cause, are an insult to survivors of abuse.

“They are also a profound insult to the women who have spent their whole lives building support services for survivors and working to ensure some cases finally got to court. Where were you during that work Tommy Robinson?”

Signatories also included author and Women for Refugee Women founder Natasha Walter, Rape Crisis Surrey and Sussex, Rape Crisis South London, the Women’s Centre Cornwall and Gurpreet Virdee, a director at the Women and Girls Network.

Announcing the commitment two weeks ago in a YouTube video as part of his campaign to become an independent MEP in the north-west, Robinson criticised “arrogant” politicians on a “gravy train with no end in sight” as he announced he would not keep earnings from being an MEP, if he were elected.

“They need to think of the victims, not of their own politicisation of the situation, that money is to go to any victims of sexual exploitation, including Muslims,” Robinson said of the letter’s signatories.

“They are in no position to turn down money, they shouldn’t be. They should be in the position to help victims and if that money helps victims, which it does, gets them off the waiting list for counselling, then they are playing with the victims, not me.”

Matthew McGregor, from anti-racism campaigners Hope Not Hate, said: “This is one of Tommy Robinson’s most cynical stunts. Abuse survivors don’t need someone whose main interest is in funding his already lavish lifestyle and spreading hatred.”

In the weeks since launching his campaign for the 23 May election to become an MEP on a monthly salary of about £7,500 before tax, Robinson has twice been struck by milkshakes and police are investigating a number of alleged assaults that occurred during his recent visit to Warrington.

The far-right activist has been funded by a number of rightwing organisations around the world and claims to have raised several hundred thousand pounds via online donations.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

How do they know what Robinson feels? And what are his incorrect positions on grooming? Articles like this never back up what they say with any evidence. Maybe he should give directly to victims. Meanwhile another 40 arrested for grooming in Rotherham.

Good turnout, powerful speech. The man is in his element.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPN5zvMHj-M

14 Typical features of facism

1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

What Benjamin says

"Once again BuzzFeed position themselves as the progressive joke police. I stand behind David Baddiel's justification about why any subject can be the subject of a joke. The alternative is a world devoid of humour, the essential tool we use to reduce the horror of events that are beyond our control"

What Baddiel actually saidKate McCann says, "So it's acceptable to joke about raping a woman?" And Carl Benjamin says - well, shouts - "YES! ANY QUESTIONS?" The thing is Carl: you don't look like you're joking. You look like you're consumed with rage.

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What Benjamin says

"Once again BuzzFeed position themselves as the progressive joke police. I stand behind David Baddiel's justification about why any subject can be the subject of a joke. The alternative is a world devoid of humour, the essential tool we use to reduce the horror of events that are beyond our control"

What Baddiel actually saidKate McCann says, "So it's acceptable to joke about raping a woman?" And Carl Benjamin says - well, shouts - "YES! ANY QUESTIONS?" The thing is Carl: you don't look like you're joking. You look like you're consumed with rage.

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George Carlin made a joke about rape when he said you can make a joke of anything

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What Benjamin says

"Once again BuzzFeed position themselves as the progressive joke police. I stand behind David Baddiel's justification about why any subject can be the subject of a joke. The alternative is a world devoid of humour, the essential tool we use to reduce the horror of events that are beyond our control"

What Baddiel actually saidKate McCann says, "So it's acceptable to joke about raping a woman?" And Carl Benjamin says - well, shouts - "YES! ANY QUESTIONS?" The thing is Carl: you don't look like you're joking. You look like you're consumed with rage.

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George Carlin made a joke about rape when he said you can make a joke of anything

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He also said it depends on how you construct the joke. He also said " i've got nothing against the feminists I happen to agree with most of the feminist philosophy I have read. I agree for the most part that men are vain greedy brutal assholes who have just about ruined this planet because they afraid someone might have a bigger dick out there. Men are basically insecure about the size of their dicks and so go to war over it"

He made a lot of points you and most of the people quoting him would rip the piss out of other people for stating.
Benjamin also said he would not be happy if someone said what he did to his own wife.

Benjamin could also not make a joke if his life depended on it. You both have that in common. ;)

Funny Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMukKqx-Os

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What Benjamin says

"Once again BuzzFeed position themselves as the progressive joke police. I stand behind David Baddiel's justification about why any subject can be the subject of a joke. The alternative is a world devoid of humour, the essential tool we use to reduce the horror of events that are beyond our control"

What Baddiel actually saidKate McCann says, "So it's acceptable to joke about raping a woman?" And Carl Benjamin says - well, shouts - "YES! ANY QUESTIONS?" The thing is Carl: you don't look like you're joking. You look like you're consumed with rage.

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George Carlin made a joke about rape when he said you can make a joke of anything

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He also said it depends on how you construct the joke. He also said " i've got nothing against the feminists I happen to agree with most of the feminist philosophy I have read. I agree for the most part that men are vain greedy brutal assholes who have just about ruined this planet because they afraid someone might have a bigger dick out there. Men are basically insecure about the size of their dicks and so go to war over it"

He made a lot of points you and most of the people quoting him would rip the piss out of other people for stating.
Benjamin also said he would not be happy if someone said what he did to his own wife.

Benjamin could also not make a joke if his life depended on it. You both have that in common. ;)

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Beanz, I was just saying he did a few that’s all it wasn’t an attack on you I’m not really following what is going on here I guess I stepped into something

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"Once again BuzzFeed position themselves as the progressive joke police. I stand behind David Baddiel's justification about why any subject can be the subject of a joke. The alternative is a world devoid of humour, the essential tool we use to reduce the horror of events that are beyond our control"

What Baddiel actually saidKate McCann says, "So it's acceptable to joke about raping a woman?" And Carl Benjamin says - well, shouts - "YES! ANY QUESTIONS?" The thing is Carl: you don't look like you're joking. You look like you're consumed with rage.

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George Carlin made a joke about rape when he said you can make a joke of anything

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He also said it depends on how you construct the joke. He also said " i've got nothing against the feminists I happen to agree with most of the feminist philosophy I have read. I agree for the most part that men are vain greedy brutal assholes who have just about ruined this planet because they afraid someone might have a bigger dick out there. Men are basically insecure about the size of their dicks and so go to war over it"

He made a lot of points you and most of the people quoting him would rip the piss out of other people for stating.
Benjamin also said he would not be happy if someone said what he did to his own wife.

Benjamin could also not make a joke if his life depended on it. You both have that in common. ;)

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Beanz, I was just saying he did a few that’s all it wasn’t an attack on you I’m not really following what is going on here I guess I stepped into something

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I didn't think it was an attack on me and neither was I attacking you. Like some french bloke said "You can joke about anything but you can't expect everyone to laugh"


He said it in French of course
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Somebody has an agenda and cannot let it go. Also talking complete bollocks along the way.

I think your unsourced definition of fascism is flimsy and you have never explained why Robinson is a Fascist or even told us about these racist Asians who are among the worst of racists.

What you fail to understand is that people tend to be decent and tolerant, but they get upset when their good, proud homelands are forcibly turned upside down by supra statism and open borders and Labour and Tory clone fools who deny their right to democracy.

If anyone is a fascist it is anyone who wants to remain. You cannot influence or change the EU. In fact when was the last EU audit? It is unnacountable. And you chaps deny the will of the people. That is closer to fascism. That along with your own personal support of hate speech laws and penalties for jokes. That nihilism Peterson warns about is closer in you than you realize, but you mistake it for virtue.