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okay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
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canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
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You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
okay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
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Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
i didn't think i had to draw you a picture
It’s true but you wouldn’t have said it if you trying to prove a point to give it a positive spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdoesn't make what i said it any less true does it? some fighters get criticized for not travellingQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherSpin it to make it look better than it is. We all know that being an Olympic gold medalist counts for nothing in the pros. There have been many gold medalists who have done absolutely nothing in the pros. So trying to make it sound like fighting an Olympic gold medalist is some sort of great accolade in the pros is just grasping at straws to make it look better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICspin the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s a nice way to spin itQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
so is it the age, number of fights or loses with murata?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
where are andrade and charlo? didn't hearn offer charlo an andrade fight? sergiy d is number one to charlo, so he already has his hands full, but will likely try and get a eubank fight signed before he is forced into a real challenge
the biggest stars will always take criticism, it comes with success. people were bitching about bjs being in the running. callum just got a gift. canelo would sleep both, easy. i don't see charlo, andrade, ggg, bjs or smith moving up to face kov. ggg or ryder should get the canelo fight next
Any non biased person knows that this is a gimme fight to expose Canelo to Japan and extend his global popularity
okay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
keep trying a little harder, you'll get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
i didn't think i had to draw you a picture
so saying the truth is putting a spin on it? isn't it just the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIt’s true but you wouldn’t have said it if you trying to prove a point to give it a positive spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdoesn't make what i said it any less true does it? some fighters get criticized for not travellingQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherSpin it to make it look better than it is. We all know that being an Olympic gold medalist counts for nothing in the pros. There have been many gold medalists who have done absolutely nothing in the pros. So trying to make it sound like fighting an Olympic gold medalist is some sort of great accolade in the pros is just grasping at straws to make it look better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICspin the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s a nice way to spin itQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
so is it the age, number of fights or loses with murata?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
where are andrade and charlo? didn't hearn offer charlo an andrade fight? sergiy d is number one to charlo, so he already has his hands full, but will likely try and get a eubank fight signed before he is forced into a real challenge
the biggest stars will always take criticism, it comes with success. people were bitching about bjs being in the running. callum just got a gift. canelo would sleep both, easy. i don't see charlo, andrade, ggg, bjs or smith moving up to face kov. ggg or ryder should get the canelo fight next
Any non biased person knows that this is a gimme fight to expose Canelo to Japan and extend his global popularity
okay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TICkeep trying a little harder, you'll get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
i didn't think i had to draw you a picture
only doing this cause i like you
Pied Piper lures away children with his magical power, which they're powerless to resist
Canelo lures blind fans with his magical hype, which they're powerless to resist
not sure what happened to the children of the fable, as it depends on the version you prefer
not sure what happens to the blind fans either, as the fable is still unfolding
hey... i like this non-punctuation writing style you employ
it exudes some sort of devil-may-care cool :cool:
I’m sure that you are just being a troll about this but I’ll explain anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICkeep trying a little harder, you'll get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
i didn't think i had to draw you a picture
so saying the truth is putting a spin on it? isn't it just the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIt’s true but you wouldn’t have said it if you trying to prove a point to give it a positive spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdoesn't make what i said it any less true does it? some fighters get criticized for not travellingQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherSpin it to make it look better than it is. We all know that being an Olympic gold medalist counts for nothing in the pros. There have been many gold medalists who have done absolutely nothing in the pros. So trying to make it sound like fighting an Olympic gold medalist is some sort of great accolade in the pros is just grasping at straws to make it look better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICspin the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s a nice way to spin itQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
so is it the age, number of fights or loses with murata?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
where are andrade and charlo? didn't hearn offer charlo an andrade fight? sergiy d is number one to charlo, so he already has his hands full, but will likely try and get a eubank fight signed before he is forced into a real challenge
the biggest stars will always take criticism, it comes with success. people were bitching about bjs being in the running. callum just got a gift. canelo would sleep both, easy. i don't see charlo, andrade, ggg, bjs or smith moving up to face kov. ggg or ryder should get the canelo fight next
Any non biased person knows that this is a gimme fight to expose Canelo to Japan and extend his global popularity
okay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
Let’s say I introduce you to my friend and I say “this is my friend George.” That’s typical. Now compare this. “This is my friend George, he is very smart.”
Obviously on the second example I am adding in something extra to prove some kind of point to you. Maybe to prove that I’m friends with smart people or that you know I’m not only friends with dead beats. Whatever the reason, I had a reason to give that extra piece of information.
Now I can say for sure, but I don’t think that you go around each thread just naming random facts about boxers for no apparent reason. If you can show me some examples of that, then I will gladly apologize and admit that I was wrong and you were right. If not, then I believe that the evidence is in my favor that I am right and you are just trolling.
where did i add in anything? canelo would be taking on an olympic gold medalist away from home if it happened in japan. the thread is about canelo's short list and i just stated the truth. now stating the tuth is trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI’m sure that you are just being a troll about this but I’ll explain anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICkeep trying a little harder, you'll get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
i didn't think i had to draw you a picture
so saying the truth is putting a spin on it? isn't it just the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIt’s true but you wouldn’t have said it if you trying to prove a point to give it a positive spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdoesn't make what i said it any less true does it? some fighters get criticized for not travellingQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherSpin it to make it look better than it is. We all know that being an Olympic gold medalist counts for nothing in the pros. There have been many gold medalists who have done absolutely nothing in the pros. So trying to make it sound like fighting an Olympic gold medalist is some sort of great accolade in the pros is just grasping at straws to make it look better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICspin the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s a nice way to spin itQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
so is it the age, number of fights or loses with murata?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
where are andrade and charlo? didn't hearn offer charlo an andrade fight? sergiy d is number one to charlo, so he already has his hands full, but will likely try and get a eubank fight signed before he is forced into a real challenge
the biggest stars will always take criticism, it comes with success. people were bitching about bjs being in the running. callum just got a gift. canelo would sleep both, easy. i don't see charlo, andrade, ggg, bjs or smith moving up to face kov. ggg or ryder should get the canelo fight next
Any non biased person knows that this is a gimme fight to expose Canelo to Japan and extend his global popularity
okay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
Let’s say I introduce you to my friend and I say “this is my friend George.” That’s typical. Now compare this. “This is my friend George, he is very smart.”
Obviously on the second example I am adding in something extra to prove some kind of point to you. Maybe to prove that I’m friends with smart people or that you know I’m not only friends with dead beats. Whatever the reason, I had a reason to give that extra piece of information.
Now I can say for sure, but I don’t think that you go around each thread just naming random facts about boxers for no apparent reason. If you can show me some examples of that, then I will gladly apologize and admit that I was wrong and you were right. If not, then I believe that the evidence is in my favor that I am right and you are just trolling.
Yes and it’s too bad because once I label you as a troll, which you just proved you were, I start ignoring you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhere did i add in anything? canelo would be taking on an olympic gold medalist away from home if it happened in japan. the thread is about canelo's short list and i just stated the truth. now stating the tuth is trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI’m sure that you are just being a troll about this but I’ll explain anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICkeep trying a little harder, you'll get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
i didn't think i had to draw you a picture
so saying the truth is putting a spin on it? isn't it just the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIt’s true but you wouldn’t have said it if you trying to prove a point to give it a positive spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdoesn't make what i said it any less true does it? some fighters get criticized for not travellingQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherSpin it to make it look better than it is. We all know that being an Olympic gold medalist counts for nothing in the pros. There have been many gold medalists who have done absolutely nothing in the pros. So trying to make it sound like fighting an Olympic gold medalist is some sort of great accolade in the pros is just grasping at straws to make it look better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICspin the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s a nice way to spin itQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
so is it the age, number of fights or loses with murata?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
where are andrade and charlo? didn't hearn offer charlo an andrade fight? sergiy d is number one to charlo, so he already has his hands full, but will likely try and get a eubank fight signed before he is forced into a real challenge
the biggest stars will always take criticism, it comes with success. people were bitching about bjs being in the running. callum just got a gift. canelo would sleep both, easy. i don't see charlo, andrade, ggg, bjs or smith moving up to face kov. ggg or ryder should get the canelo fight next
Any non biased person knows that this is a gimme fight to expose Canelo to Japan and extend his global popularity
okay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
Let’s say I introduce you to my friend and I say “this is my friend George.” That’s typical. Now compare this. “This is my friend George, he is very smart.”
Obviously on the second example I am adding in something extra to prove some kind of point to you. Maybe to prove that I’m friends with smart people or that you know I’m not only friends with dead beats. Whatever the reason, I had a reason to give that extra piece of information.
Now I can say for sure, but I don’t think that you go around each thread just naming random facts about boxers for no apparent reason. If you can show me some examples of that, then I will gladly apologize and admit that I was wrong and you were right. If not, then I believe that the evidence is in my favor that I am right and you are just trolling.
you can't handle the truth, in my jack nicholson voiceQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYes and it’s too bad because once I label you as a troll, which you just proved you were, I start ignoring you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhere did i add in anything? canelo would be taking on an olympic gold medalist away from home if it happened in japan. the thread is about canelo's short list and i just stated the truth. now stating the tuth is trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI’m sure that you are just being a troll about this but I’ll explain anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICkeep trying a little harder, you'll get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, if that makes you feel better, just wasn't very clever, you can do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICokay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
I can't help it if my sarcasm goes over your head.
i didn't think i had to draw you a picture
so saying the truth is putting a spin on it? isn't it just the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIt’s true but you wouldn’t have said it if you trying to prove a point to give it a positive spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdoesn't make what i said it any less true does it? some fighters get criticized for not travellingQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherSpin it to make it look better than it is. We all know that being an Olympic gold medalist counts for nothing in the pros. There have been many gold medalists who have done absolutely nothing in the pros. So trying to make it sound like fighting an Olympic gold medalist is some sort of great accolade in the pros is just grasping at straws to make it look better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICspin the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s a nice way to spin itQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
so is it the age, number of fights or loses with murata?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
where are andrade and charlo? didn't hearn offer charlo an andrade fight? sergiy d is number one to charlo, so he already has his hands full, but will likely try and get a eubank fight signed before he is forced into a real challenge
the biggest stars will always take criticism, it comes with success. people were bitching about bjs being in the running. callum just got a gift. canelo would sleep both, easy. i don't see charlo, andrade, ggg, bjs or smith moving up to face kov. ggg or ryder should get the canelo fight next
Any non biased person knows that this is a gimme fight to expose Canelo to Japan and extend his global popularity
okay, try to make sense next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
canelo's not stealing childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You're right, it's worse than that. He's stealing adults.
Let’s say I introduce you to my friend and I say “this is my friend George.” That’s typical. Now compare this. “This is my friend George, he is very smart.”
Obviously on the second example I am adding in something extra to prove some kind of point to you. Maybe to prove that I’m friends with smart people or that you know I’m not only friends with dead beats. Whatever the reason, I had a reason to give that extra piece of information.
Now I can say for sure, but I don’t think that you go around each thread just naming random facts about boxers for no apparent reason. If you can show me some examples of that, then I will gladly apologize and admit that I was wrong and you were right. If not, then I believe that the evidence is in my favor that I am right and you are just trolling.
Canelo Alvarez vs Ryota Murata in Japan
De La Hoya Claims Charlo’s Handlers Turned Down OFFER
Ryota Murata is reportedly another option being considered for Canelo Alvarez next with “serious talks” said to be taking place for a Japan fight. Murata holds the WBA ‘regular’ middleweight belt and is a star in his home country.
Jermall Charlo rejected a ”very lucrative offer” to face Canelo Alvarez last year, according to Canelo’s promoter Oscar De La Hoya of Golden Boy Promotions.
De La Hoya said he offered WBC Middleweight World Champion Charlo ”by far the biggest purse of his career” to face WBA (Super), WBC (Franchise), RING Magazine Middleweight World Champion Canelo, but was astonished when it was turned down.
– “We had an amazing, amazing offer for Charlo, a very lucrative offer for Charlo, and he turned it down,” De La Hoya told @heyitsmarcosv of @fighthubtv. ”Well, Charlo didn’t turn it down, but his agent or whoever, whoever’s behind PBC, I don’t know.”
http://thaboxingvoice.com/%E2%98%8E%...r%F0%9F%98%B1/
Canelo Alvarez is ‘doing a Floyd Mayweather’ to leave Callum Smith ‘gutted’ and set to miss out on super fight
Canelo Alvarez is “doing a Floyd Mayweather” to fight whoever he wants, when he wants, according to Callum Smith’s trainer Joe Gallagher.
The Mexican appeared primed to face the Liverpudlian for his WBA super middleweight world title, or British rival Billy Joe Saunders, who holds the WBO belt.
But Canelo now looks set to pursue a lucrative bout in Japan against Ryota Murata, who holds a secondary version of the world middleweight crown.
With the potential to open up a new market, in partnership with streaming platform DAZN, Gallagher admits his fighter is surprised by the manner in which he is likely to miss out.
“We can safely say that Canelo is doing what Floyd Mayweather did – he fights who he pleases and everyone just does what he says,” Gallagher told Sky Sports.
“Callum will be shocked and gutted, as Billy Joe will be. Everybody was waiting for the golden ticket but it has gone to Murata.
“I don’t think this will go down well in Mexico. We’ve been there with Liam Smith and everybody wanted Canelo vs Callum Smith. Even in Arizona the Mexican people were pushing for Canelo vs Callum.
“In September Canelo will have to fight a Callum or a Gennadiy Golovkin. The inquest will take place in Manchester today.”
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Eddie Hearn appeared to suggest Canelo has indeed moved in a different direction, given his involvement with both Smith and Saunders, by announcing on Twitter that no talks have taken place with the pound-for-pound star.
Gallagher meanwhile is suggesting a domestic clash with Saunders is now unlikely too, despite suggestions from Hearn previously that the pair would meet if they both missed out on the ‘golden ticket’.
“We were already putting things in place to fight in April in America,” Gallagher remarked when the Saunders fight was proposed.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/can...122500864.html
People like to rewrite history. Floyd wasn’t the cash cow and wasn’t given anything until after he beat De La Hoya. He was one of the best in boxing and didn’t have much of a following outside real fans. Back when I first started really watching boxing, I know about Floyd and knew he was supposed to be one of the best, but I had never seen him fight. He wasn’t near the name of Jones, Hopkins, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc at the time. He reached the top without the fame.
He then picked his fights more carefully once he was older and at a higher weight where basically everybody outweighed him. I would rather it not happen, but he more earned it. Canelo does the same thing without ever earning it. He didn’t have to go up in the rankings without a huge backing. He has been pushed and brought along perfectly since day 1.
no one stated floyd was was the cash cow from day one. floyd started picking his fights more carefully after leaving lightweight. floyd was only twenty seven then. canelo took on one of the best super welters in trout, then accepted a catchweight to fight floyd, one of the bet in the sport. then took on angulo, who had gone to war with lara, then faced lara. that in itself is an impressive four fight run. he had a gimme against mandingo, then accepted another catchweight for the cotto fight. the next three fights were mainly money grabs, but out of his last six fights, only fielding was unrated. he fought the percieved best guy at middle ggg twice back to back, then another of the best at middle jacobs after fielding, then jumped two weight divisions to fight a rated titleholder, a so called weak deer that none of the other beltholders had targeted in their time as lightheavies. whatever you think about some of those decisions, canelo has fought some of the best around the weight and has one of the best current records around the weight. there is no shame in losing to a worldclass fighter, but canelo is fighting tough opposition. ggg still hasn't fought jermall yet either, charlo hasn't faced jacobs yet, something both canelo and ggg have doneQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Murata is my countryman and a special opportunity to see Canelo fight in my country. There are more details, but nothing has been configured yet
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Originally Posted by TICno one stated floyd was was the cash cow from day one. floyd started picking his fights more carefully after leaving lightweight. floyd was only twenty seven then. canelo took on one of the best super welters in trout, then accepted a catchweight to fight floyd, one of the bet in the sport. then took on angulo, who had gone to war with lara, then faced lara. that in itself is an impressive four fight run. he had a gimme against mandingo, then accepted another catchweight for the cotto fight. the next three fights were mainly money grabs, but out of his last six fights, only fielding was unrated. he fought the percieved best guy at middle ggg twice back to back, then another of the best at middle jacobs after fielding, then jumped two weight divisions to fight a rated titleholder, a so called weak deer that none of the other beltholders had targeted in their time as lightheavies. whatever you think about some of those decisions, canelo has fought some of the best around the weight and has one of the best current records around the weight. there is no shame in losing to a worldclass fighter, but canelo is fighting tough opposition. ggg still hasn't fought jermall yet either, charlo hasn't faced jacobs yet, something both canelo and ggg have doneQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
The BEST way to debunk the Canelo-Floyd comparison is simply to point out that Floyd became a superstar, A-side fighter IN SPITE of the public's hate for him. He fought tough opposition from early in his career..... absolutely NOTHING like Canelo's career. And while Floyd was universally disliked and/or hated by the American boxing fans....... Canelo was born with a silver spoon in his mouth from Day One. His boyish good looks and rugged toughness made him the NEXT BIG STAR even while he was building up a 30-some fight undefeated record against cab drivers from Tijuana (something pretty typical South of the Border). It was DECIDED that Canelo would be the next matinee idol star..... and his career has been carefully orchestrated ever since. SHIT..... even JCC Sr. railed against him in a famous interview many years back. Even when Canelo began fighting legitimate opposition, they were always carefully picked to make sure nobody dented that precious "0" on his record.
They grossly miscalculated against Floyd. Of all the fighters Floyd beat during his career, NOBODY was a less worthy opponent in the ring than Canelo. It was a boring shutout..... a no-hitter. And in testament to Canelo's corrupt network in Vegas..... a piece of shit judge named CJ Ross had the unmitigated gall to call the fight a draw.
But back on point...... the difference here is clear. Floyd became a megastar IN SPITE of everyone's hate for him. Canelo became a star TOTALLY because of the public's love affair with the guy. It was almost preordained.
Every other fighter takes on real risks. They are expected to clean out their respective divisions. Every other fighter BUT CANELO, that is. Canelo gets to skate freely between divisions, picking off the weak calves from the herd.
F*CK GINGER.
the only reason anyone uses the floyd-canelo comparison is because they have both reached a level of fame and stardom where they can now play the a-side game
canelo risked his 0 against the best fighter in the sport at the time, take up the scorecard with cj
every other fighter doesn't take on real risks and not many clean out divisions. i wish artur or bivol had of picked of that weak calf to unify
canelo's legend will continue to grow
Only in that hypnotized mind of yours.
the truth will set you free
Bivol unified the titles which takes a lot of political and financial manoeuvring. Callum Smith has won the super middleweight tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Canelo has had the alphabet boys roll over for him whereas other fighters do not have that luxury.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
That's what those poor bastards in Guyana said just before being offered the Kool-Aid.
explain bivol unified the titles. callum got a gift against ryder, sounds like he got some advantages, and the tournament didn't even have fighters like james d, gilberto or david b, the dirrell's or even eubank and juergen was forced outQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterBivol unified the titles which takes a lot of political and financial manoeuvring. Callum Smith has won the super middleweight tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Canelo has had the alphabet boys roll over for him whereas other fighters do not have that luxury.
how do you know, you weren't thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
That's what those poor bastards in Guyana said just before being offered the Kool-Aid.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChow do you know, you weren't thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
That's what those poor bastards in Guyana said just before being offered the Kool-Aid.
Yes I was.
I left when they started to make Kool-Aid toasts to some ginger-haired boxing hype job who would lead blind fan groupies into boxing fanboy stupor more than 40 years into the future.
[QUOTE=TIC;1542321]explain bivol unified the titles. callum got a gift against ryder, sounds like he got some advantages, and the tournament didn't even have fighters like james d, gilberto or david b, the dirrell's or even eubank and juergen was forced outQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterBivol unified the titles which takes a lot of political and financial manoeuvring. Callum Smith has won the super middleweight tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Canelo has had the alphabet boys roll over for him whereas other fighters do not have that luxury.
I meant Beterbiev. My error.
Callum had a close fight with Ryder but that should not detract away from him winning the tournament. Eubank lost to Groves and the other fighters chose not to enter. Callum took the risk and won.
the more you lie, the easier lying becomesQuote:
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Originally Posted by TIChow do you know, you weren't thereQuote:
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Originally Posted by TIC
That's what those poor bastards in Guyana said just before being offered the Kool-Aid.
Yes I was.
I left when they started to make Kool-Aid toasts to some ginger-haired boxing hype job who would lead blind fan groupies into boxing fanboy stupor more than 40 years into the future.
[QUOTE=Master;1542364]we all make errors, no problem. still doesn't detract from the truth that canelo fought kov before artur, bivol and gvozdyk, who are lightheavyweightsQuote:
Originally Posted by TICexplain bivol unified the titles. callum got a gift against ryder, sounds like he got some advantages, and the tournament didn't even have fighters like james d, gilberto or david b, the dirrell's or even eubank and juergen was forced outQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterBivol unified the titles which takes a lot of political and financial manoeuvring. Callum Smith has won the super middleweight tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Canelo has had the alphabet boys roll over for him whereas other fighters do not have that luxury.
I meant Beterbiev. My error.
Callum had a close fight with Ryder but that should not detract away from him winning the tournament. Eubank lost to Groves and the other fighters chose not to enter. Callum took the risk and won.
callum got a gift against ryder and everyone know the world boxing super series supermiddleweight tournament has been the weakest of them all. callum won the tournament but ryder was robbed. ryder should be the name people are calling for canelo to fight at supermiddle. titofan complains about canelo's opponents but then names callum instead of ryder. i want to see canelo against the best and ryder already proved he is better than callum
Ryder was not robbed, it was a close fight. Callum should have won it far more easily. That is as crazy as you saying Canelo ruined GGG in their first fight. :)
better get your eyes checked. giving callum five rounds is more than generous. are you terry o'connor? i'm still trying to work out when ggg stopped being a riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
So if it is possible to give Callum Smith 5 rounds then it surely can not be a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICbetter get your eyes checked. giving callum five rounds is more than generous. are you terry o'connor? i'm still trying to work out when ggg stopped being a riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I watched their fight and think I had it a draw but to use that as an excuse that Canelo should not fight him is a bit weak. It would be Canelo's toughest challenge at super middle.
GGG is always a risk, never said he was not.
My scorecard
John Ryder 116
Callum Smith 112
Smith may be having a hard time limiting weight. He needs to move up the weight class
I think all the bs and last minute swindling surrounding the Angelo is an example of why some point to Canelo being afforded all advantages. Have a feeling they’ll make GGG 3 years end or early 2021 when Golovkin is looking for his dentures and collecting social security.
i said it would be generous to give callum five rounds, meaning not more than or at the most. i'm want canelo fighting the best, i saw ryder clearly beating callum, so he is the better opponent for me. ryder is the tougher challenge at supermiddleweight, and if you had that fight a draw, then i don't understand how you can consider callum a tougher challenge than ryder, john was considered an easy fight for callumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo if it is possible to give Callum Smith 5 rounds then it surely can not be a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICbetter get your eyes checked. giving callum five rounds is more than generous. are you terry o'connor? i'm still trying to work out when ggg stopped being a riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I watched their fight and think I had it a draw but to use that as an excuse that Canelo should not fight him is a bit weak. It would be Canelo's toughest challenge at super middle.
GGG is always a risk, never said he was not.
i also think ggg was a risk, i never said you did, some try to imply he wasn't
Callum had an off night and many fighters have them because they are not motivated. Callum smashed Groves into retirement and when focused is very dangerous. He is huge for the weight and will probably move up if he can not get the fight with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi said it would be generous to give callum five rounds, meaning not more than or at the most. i'm want canelo fighting the best, i saw ryder clearly beating callum, so he is the better opponent for me. ryder is the tougher challenge at supermiddleweight, and if you had that fight a draw, then i don't understand how you can consider callum a tougher challenge than ryder, john was considered an easy fight for callumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo if it is possible to give Callum Smith 5 rounds then it surely can not be a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICbetter get your eyes checked. giving callum five rounds is more than generous. are you terry o'connor? i'm still trying to work out when ggg stopped being a riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I watched their fight and think I had it a draw but to use that as an excuse that Canelo should not fight him is a bit weak. It would be Canelo's toughest challenge at super middle.
GGG is always a risk, never said he was not.
i also think ggg was a risk, i never said you did, some try to imply he wasn't
callum may have had an off night but he should have lost. groves was coming of an injury and was damaged goods. he could fight saunders, but both don't want to take a risk and are holding out for the canelo golden ticket. callum should give ryder a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCallum had an off night and many fighters have them because they are not motivated. Callum smashed Groves into retirement and when focused is very dangerous. He is huge for the weight and will probably move up if he can not get the fight with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi said it would be generous to give callum five rounds, meaning not more than or at the most. i'm want canelo fighting the best, i saw ryder clearly beating callum, so he is the better opponent for me. ryder is the tougher challenge at supermiddleweight, and if you had that fight a draw, then i don't understand how you can consider callum a tougher challenge than ryder, john was considered an easy fight for callumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo if it is possible to give Callum Smith 5 rounds then it surely can not be a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICbetter get your eyes checked. giving callum five rounds is more than generous. are you terry o'connor? i'm still trying to work out when ggg stopped being a riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I watched their fight and think I had it a draw but to use that as an excuse that Canelo should not fight him is a bit weak. It would be Canelo's toughest challenge at super middle.
GGG is always a risk, never said he was not.
i also think ggg was a risk, i never said you did, some try to imply he wasn't
To be fair most fighters are waiting for Canelo to give them a call. Hopefully it does not stagnate Smith career and he moves on if he is not chosen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICcallum may have had an off night but he should have lost. groves was coming of an injury and was damaged goods. he could fight saunders, but both don't want to take a risk and are holding out for the canelo golden ticket. callum should give ryder a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCallum had an off night and many fighters have them because they are not motivated. Callum smashed Groves into retirement and when focused is very dangerous. He is huge for the weight and will probably move up if he can not get the fight with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi said it would be generous to give callum five rounds, meaning not more than or at the most. i'm want canelo fighting the best, i saw ryder clearly beating callum, so he is the better opponent for me. ryder is the tougher challenge at supermiddleweight, and if you had that fight a draw, then i don't understand how you can consider callum a tougher challenge than ryder, john was considered an easy fight for callumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo if it is possible to give Callum Smith 5 rounds then it surely can not be a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICbetter get your eyes checked. giving callum five rounds is more than generous. are you terry o'connor? i'm still trying to work out when ggg stopped being a riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I watched their fight and think I had it a draw but to use that as an excuse that Canelo should not fight him is a bit weak. It would be Canelo's toughest challenge at super middle.
GGG is always a risk, never said he was not.
i also think ggg was a risk, i never said you did, some try to imply he wasn't
yes most are waiting on canelo. do you consider callum a weight bully as you state he is huge for the weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo be fair most fighters are waiting for Canelo to give them a call. Hopefully it does not stagnate Smith career and he moves on if he is not chosen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICcallum may have had an off night but he should have lost. groves was coming of an injury and was damaged goods. he could fight saunders, but both don't want to take a risk and are holding out for the canelo golden ticket. callum should give ryder a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCallum had an off night and many fighters have them because they are not motivated. Callum smashed Groves into retirement and when focused is very dangerous. He is huge for the weight and will probably move up if he can not get the fight with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi said it would be generous to give callum five rounds, meaning not more than or at the most. i'm want canelo fighting the best, i saw ryder clearly beating callum, so he is the better opponent for me. ryder is the tougher challenge at supermiddleweight, and if you had that fight a draw, then i don't understand how you can consider callum a tougher challenge than ryder, john was considered an easy fight for callumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo if it is possible to give Callum Smith 5 rounds then it surely can not be a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICbetter get your eyes checked. giving callum five rounds is more than generous. are you terry o'connor? i'm still trying to work out when ggg stopped being a riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I watched their fight and think I had it a draw but to use that as an excuse that Canelo should not fight him is a bit weak. It would be Canelo's toughest challenge at super middle.
GGG is always a risk, never said he was not.
i also think ggg was a risk, i never said you did, some try to imply he wasn't
Callum Smith uses his weight and size as an advantage and is no different to Hurd in that regard. The difference is that Smith has boxing skills and does not rely on the weight as much.
Anyway, the fight with Ryder was not a robbery which would be a 10-2 rounds or 9-3 at most.
fighters will always try to use every advantage available to them, if they make weight at the weigh in i have no issues with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
i saw ryder clearly win that fight and they stole it from him
Billy Joe Saunders blasts Canelo Alvarez over potential Ryota Murata fight before ‘talks end’
Billy Joe Saunders has hit out at Canelo Alvarez for attempting to arrange a fight with Ryota Murata in Japan next.
It was initially reported that the Brit was frontrunner to face boxing’s biggest star in May, then stories emerged suggesting Canelo was eyeing Murata instead.
The Japanese WBA ‘regular’ middleweight belt-holder does not have the most attractive record on paper at 16-2 (13 KOs), but it’s worth nothing that he avenged both defeats with stoppage victories.
Murata is also an Olympic gold medallist from the 2012 London games and a huge star in Japan as a result.
Saunders said: “Very poor fight for the fans. Two losses out of 18, he is a journeyman. DAZN needs to look at that and say, ‘F*** off ginger pubes.'”
Regarding the lesser WBA ‘regular’ belt – which many don’t consider a true world title – BJS added: “Put it in the bin.”
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
Now though, some positive news has emerged for Saunders as a report from ESPN claims talks for Canelo vs Murata have ended and the fight is off the table.
BJS and fellow Brit Callum Smith are understood to once again be the two frontrunners for Canelo.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/6...-ryota-murata/