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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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This is scientific accurate projection, not wish. Arrogant, self-entitle Americans think nobody/nothing can do them anything. No need for masks or societal distancing. It's all just a fake virus. Right? No problem then, OK, let them go out and be the guinea pigs. See ya in 21 days. How'd that work out for ya?
i'm not an american. yeh you are right, there is no need for masks or social distancing, it is just a fake virus. i haven't changed a thing since this plandemic began, it's working out fine thanks
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
Like a global tsunami, the coronavirus pandemic has caused a huge loss of life and taken a massive economic toll.
In the US economy, skyrocketing unemployment is the most-visible sign of the devastation: almost overnight, at least 34.6 million workers lost their jobs.
The April employment report, due out Friday, is expected to show the unemployment rate soaring into double digits, perhaps as high as 22 percent, far surpassing the worst of the global financial crisis and reaching levels not seen since the Great Depression last century.
RIP, Ammurrica
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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NoSavingByTheBell
Like a global tsunami, the coronavirus pandemic has caused a huge loss of life and taken a massive economic toll.
In the US economy, skyrocketing unemployment is the most-visible sign of the devastation: almost overnight, at least 34.6 million workers lost their jobs.
The April employment report, due out Friday, is expected to show the unemployment rate soaring into double digits, perhaps as high as 22 percent, far surpassing the worst of the global financial crisis and reaching levels not seen since the Great Depression last century.
RIP, Ammurrica
prove the deaths were caused by covid 19. the lockdowns & government are causing unemployment & the financial crisis not a virus
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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NoSavingByTheBell
This is scientific accurate projection, not wish. Arrogant, self-entitle Americans think nobody/nothing can do them anything. No need for masks or societal distancing. It's all just a fake virus. Right? No problem then, OK, let them go out and be the guinea pigs. See ya in 21 days. How'd that work out for ya?
Ok new guy thanks for the the neg rep please excuse me for contradicting you, sometimes you will get opposing views points here but I know it’s difficult. Neg rep me anytime you feel the need
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
In New York and other northeastern states elder care facilities were forced to take in patients with the coronavirus. This is with the knowledge that the virus is deadly in that environment as proven in Seattle and Illinois in the early stages of this episode.
https://www.buckscountycouriertimes....ADb9PDPWRR3vj0
Would someone explain to me how this is Trump's fault? I'm sure it is, just not seeing it.
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In New York and other northeastern states elder care facilities were forced to take in patients with the coronavirus. This is with the knowledge that the virus is deadly in that environment as proven in Seattle and Illinois in the early stages of this episode.
https://www.buckscountycouriertimes....ADb9PDPWRR3vj0
Would someone explain to me how this is Trump's fault? I'm sure it is, just not seeing it.
It doesn’t matter grey. It CNN and MSDNC say it is that’s what people go by. The states also had internal audits they new long ago they were woefully short on ventilators and masks etc. they have better things to spend their money on than lifesaving equipment. NY ordering those wuhan virus cases into old folks homes was a death sentence. But trump is the bad guy.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...a-day-scenario
Funny the 3,000 deaths a day number was on an in-completed work. Doesn’t matter, people run with it anyway. But Brock sends me a neg rep saying it’s science and it’s true.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
you are free to wear whatever you want, it's when it becomes mandatory that theres a problem. i will live free. if i am standing close to you am i harming you? you would need to prove your belief. if you don't want people near you stay at home. your fears don't over rule other peoples freedoms. order followers are the cause of slavery
I think if a business owner asks that you wear a mask in his establishment, it is you that can make a choice to either wear one or stay out.
If there's a line at a shop and you're asked to keep social distance and you don't, it is again your choice... just as it's the shop owner's right to ask you to leave.
When you were just complaining about having to stay home, it was more understandable.
If it was just a matter of rights, it would be one thing. But IMO, your attitude borders on rebelliousness and wanting to buck the system. My rights are still just as important as yours.
a business is private property & if that is their rules to wear a mask i will shop elsewhere, if they require six feet distancing i have no problem with that. what if i'm surfing or at a park with no one else around? should that still apply? no everywhere is the same as where you live. you didn't answer if i would be harming you, because you know you can't prove it & it is just your belief, you just feel because your belief is backed by thugs that is over rules my rights
If your respecting my rights is predicated upon my "having to prove" anything to you......... we would have a serious problem.
lets do a thought experiment, it is this time last year & i am standing about a foot or two from you, not disturbing you & not close enough to be within your personal space anything wrong with that? course not. but now because you have a belief & fear of something that the thugs in control are pushing & the mindless are buying you have an issue. nothing there is going against your rights, just against your fears & beliefs. i guess you agree with the salem witch trials where fear & beliefs lead to them being found guilty & many executed. what if i'm the business owner & i want to refuse anyone from entering with a mask on, because i want to be able to identify someone if something gets stolen, or if i want to stay open to anyone who wants to use their freewill & take responsibility for their own health & use my services? a year ago you would have no issue, now because of your fear & belief you do. i think it's fair to ask for proof & as we see the lies being brought to light more & more each day i don't think it's unreasonable. the removal of peoples freedoms is unreasonable. taking away peoples freedoms always leads to more death
If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TitoFan
Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
you are free to wear whatever you want, it's when it becomes mandatory that theres a problem. i will live free. if i am standing close to you am i harming you? you would need to prove your belief. if you don't want people near you stay at home. your fears don't over rule other peoples freedoms. order followers are the cause of slavery
I think if a business owner asks that you wear a mask in his establishment, it is you that can make a choice to either wear one or stay out.
If there's a line at a shop and you're asked to keep social distance and you don't, it is again your choice... just as it's the shop owner's right to ask you to leave.
When you were just complaining about having to stay home, it was more understandable.
If it was just a matter of rights, it would be one thing. But IMO, your attitude borders on rebelliousness and wanting to buck the system. My rights are still just as important as yours.
a business is private property & if that is their rules to wear a mask i will shop elsewhere, if they require six feet distancing i have no problem with that. what if i'm surfing or at a park with no one else around? should that still apply? no everywhere is the same as where you live. you didn't answer if i would be harming you, because you know you can't prove it & it is just your belief, you just feel because your belief is backed by thugs that is over rules my rights
If your respecting my rights is predicated upon my "having to prove" anything to you......... we would have a serious problem.
lets do a thought experiment, it is this time last year & i am standing about a foot or two from you, not disturbing you & not close enough to be within your personal space anything wrong with that? course not. but now because you have a belief & fear of something that the thugs in control are pushing & the mindless are buying you have an issue. nothing there is going against your rights, just against your fears & beliefs. i guess you agree with the salem witch trials where fear & beliefs lead to them being found guilty & many executed. what if i'm the business owner & i want to refuse anyone from entering with a mask on, because i want to be able to identify someone if something gets stolen, or if i want to stay open to anyone who wants to use their freewill & take responsibility for their own health & use my services? a year ago you would have no issue, now because of your fear & belief you do. i think it's fair to ask for proof & as we see the lies being brought to light more & more each day i don't think it's unreasonable. the removal of peoples freedoms is unreasonable. taking away peoples freedoms always leads to more death
If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TitoFan
If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TIC
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TitoFan
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TIC
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TitoFan
If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you
crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
I showed that to my roommates, right there, in the bold and underlined, and 2 of them were laughing literal rolling on the floor laughing so hard. Crash and Burn, now that is what he does, and this has truely showed it. How can pandemic compare to racism? It can't. Totally not a paralell argument.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TitoFan
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you
crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
I showed that to my roommates, right there, in the bold and underlined, and 2 of them were laughing literal rolling on the floor laughing so hard. Crash and Burn, now that is what he does, and this has truely showed it. How can pandemic compare to racism? It can't. Totally not a paralell argument.
not compared to racism, compared to the belief in superiority. beliefs & fears are not proof. hide under your bed for the rest of your life and an asshole like me won't infect you
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
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I got someone here who puts it another way................ ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfVT7wdxyUQ
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TitoFan
If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
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i could finish it. just full of insults & no proof. does this guy have proof that i could be infecting someone? or proof that a virus can jump from a person or surface & infect someone else? or that covid 19 is a virus that is caught from outside the body. or that covid 19 is the cause of these deaths? see no need for insults, just simple reasonable questions
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
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That's a good argument. I am still angry about being raised as a kid surrounded by smoke. Smoking is a dirty habit. Have an addiction, but don't make others take part in your smoke orgy.
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That's a good argument. I am still angry about being raised as a kid surrounded by smoke. Smoking is a dirty habit. Have an addiction, but don't make others take part in your smoke orgy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf_JPwWwTpk
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syFmUVFNRZE
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
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Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oWpvJ0f8Q
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Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.
you could convince me with proof of your belief
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oWpvJ0f8Q
admit who you are, we all know, is walrus still posting for you?
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TitoFan
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.
you could convince me with proof of your belief
that's assuming I wanted to convince you
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TIC
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TitoFan
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.
you could convince me with proof of your belief
that's assuming I wanted to convince you
you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?
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Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.
you could convince me with proof of your belief
that's assuming I wanted to convince you
you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?
Why do you care what I think? We've already established you don't think COVID-19 is real. Everything beyond that is a moot point.
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oWpvJ0f8Q
admit who you are, we all know, is walrus still posting for you?
Hey, listen, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. Sure, your radical thinking puts you at odds with the establishment and might not get you elected in the end, but you're not looking for external scapegoats. Yeah, it’s you vs the establishment and that includes being at odds with moderates (what moderates? you're not a moderate). You could fault for being at odds with progressives like you, sure. But all in all, that’s the price of being consistent with your principles. SAying mysterious things like you're saying and you have spread rumours around trying to blacklist myself, why blackball new posters from the get-go?
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oWpvJ0f8Q
admit who you are, we all know, is walrus still posting for you?
Hey, listen, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. Sure, your radical thinking puts you at odds with the establishment and might not get you elected in the end, but you're not looking for external scapegoats. Yeah, it’s you vs the establishment and that includes being at odds with moderates (what moderates? you're not a moderate). You could fault for being at odds with progressives like you, sure. But all in all, that’s the price of being consistent with your principles. SAying mysterious things like you're saying and you have spread rumours around trying to blacklist myself, why blackball new posters from the get-go?
you are not a new poster
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Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.
you could convince me with proof of your belief
that's assuming I wanted to convince you
you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?
Why do you care what I think? We've already established you don't think COVID-19 is real. Everything beyond that is a moot point.
i can't know it's real until it's proven to me yeh? but i was trying to find some common ground & see if you agree with some of the inconsistencies & some of the random stuff like dancing nurses, locking up surfers or those at parks & beaches & those trying to support their families. or if you felt it strange that big businesses were able to remain open like supermarkets but smaller businesses were not, when some smaller places could enforce social distancing better. or if you think reopening will lead to a second phase. i think a second phase is already planned. just because i don't believe the virus is real doesn't mean the actions being taken are not serious. but yeh, let's drop it
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Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.
you could convince me with proof of your belief
that's assuming I wanted to convince you
you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?
Why do you care what I think? We've already established you don't think COVID-19 is real. Everything beyond that is a moot point.
i can't know it's real until it's proven to me yeh? but i was trying to find some common ground & see if you agree with some of the inconsistencies & some of the random stuff like dancing nurses, locking up surfers or those at parks & beaches & those trying to support their families. or if you felt it strange that big businesses were able to remain open like supermarkets but smaller businesses were not, when some smaller places could enforce social distancing better. or if you think reopening will lead to a second phase. i think a second phase is already planned. just because i don't believe the virus is real doesn't mean the actions being taken are not serious. but yeh, let's drop it
TIC, please don't think I'm unsympathetic with the examples you posted above. Unlike you, I do believe there's a virus pandemic. But I don't agree with the arresting of surfers, those in wide open spaces posing a danger to no one, etc. I also feel the restrictions are being unfairly meted out. Business is business and, if you can enforce social distancing measures in supermarkets, you should be able to do so as well in small businesses while allowing them to open. Common sense, logic, empathy, are all very big with me. But as usual, laws are put together haphazardly without the attention to detail that requires rolling up your sleeves and actually giving everything careful planning and thought. We may not agree on the virus being real, but that doesn't mean this automatic polarization of ideas that usually occurs in here, has to take place now. Many of us "virus-believers" are quite reasonable.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oWpvJ0f8Q
admit who you are, we all know, is walrus still posting for you?
Hey, listen, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. Sure, your radical thinking puts you at odds with the establishment and might not get you elected in the end, but you're not looking for external scapegoats. Yeah, it’s you vs the establishment and that includes being at odds with moderates (what moderates? you're not a moderate). You could fault for being at odds with progressives like you, sure. But all in all, that’s the price of being consistent with your principles. SAying mysterious things like you're saying and you have spread rumours around trying to blacklist myself, why blackball new posters from the get-go?
you are not a new poster
Notice how the writing style has gone through a few variations
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If I feel like wearing a mask and a business owner doesn't want me in his business, that's his prerogative. Like you, I'll go shop elsewhere. We're all free to do what we feel, as long as it doesn't interfere with, or violate, anyone else's rights.
For all you know I might have a compromised immune system. If that were the case, and you stood too close to me without a mask, I would kindly let you know. If it's a public place, I'll move away. If I'm standing in a line clearly marked with social distancing and you persist on being closer than that, you're violating my right to keep social distancing in a line clearly marked for the keeping of social distancing.
If that is somehow unacceptable to you, then I guess we'd have a problem, because I have a right to stand in line comfortably without the fear of being contaminated with the virus I know you don't believe in.
I don't know how much clearer this all needs to be.
you say we are all free to do what we feel but you are wrong, people are being forced to wear masks & businesses are forced to close or follow social distancing orders. forcing someone to do something against their will is not freedom. if you had a compromised immune system then it would be your responsibility to not expose yourself to situations where you feel you would be at risk. organize food delivery or someone to collect things for you. i wouldn't be doing anything wrong only in your mind. i mentioned that i have no issue respecting social distancing orders for stores but only because i don't won't the threat of fines or force imposed on me & these stores are forced to introduce these orders, it is not their choice, some businesses are not even allowed to operate. your beliefs & fears don't negate peoples rights. i guess when they had clearly marked areas for whites only, it was violating the whites rights if blacks went into those areas because the whites believed they were superior yeh just like you believe there is a virus. and the thought experiment shows that i am doing nothing wrong, because you would have no issue with me standing a foot or two away a year ago, outside your personal space but now your fears rule you. covid 19 is propaganda masquerading a science. propaganda is the only virus that's killing us
Comparing a pandemic to racism is where you crash and burn.
Bottom line is your rights end where mine begin (and vice-versa). If you can't see that, then I hope you never run into someone with my mindset when out shopping and sharing space with others.
i also compared it to the salem witch trials. your fears don't negate peoples rights & your beliefs are not proof. i clearly said outside your personal space, twice, you have to avoid that because you know i would be doing nothing wrong, only in your fearful mind. & what would you do if i was standing a foot or two away from you, clearly outside your personal space? assault me? encourage thugs to fine me or lock me up, when they are letting actual criminals go free? hang me because you believe something? did you hear about the dallas salon owner who went against the forced lockdown orders & opened her store to try & put food on her children's table? that would be her right yeh? she was even willing to abide by the bullshit social distancing orders & people were willing to support her, that is their right yeh? they put her in jail, just for going against other peoples beliefs. but in big stores & corporations are fine to operate, complete bullshit, there would be more risk in this bigger stores if the bullshit was actually real
Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance
COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.
The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.
No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.
But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.
The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.
so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.
Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.
Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?
Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.
i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oWpvJ0f8Q
admit who you are, we all know, is walrus still posting for you?
Hey, listen, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. Sure, your radical thinking puts you at odds with the establishment and might not get you elected in the end, but you're not looking for external scapegoats. Yeah, it’s you vs the establishment and that includes being at odds with moderates (what moderates? you're not a moderate). You could fault for being at odds with progressives like you, sure. But all in all, that’s the price of being consistent with your principles. SAying mysterious things like you're saying and you have spread rumours around trying to blacklist myself, why blackball new posters from the get-go?
you are not a new poster
Notice how the writing style has gone through a few variations
certainly did
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Please don't do the long quote thing, guys. It is very difficult to read. I want to enjoy your posts.
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Please don't do the long quote thing, guys. It is very difficult to read. I want to enjoy your posts.
Damn..... now you've done it.
Not Walrus will (in jest) call you a Mod, and someone to remain unnamed will barge in here out of the blue, saying you're a piece of shit and could never, ever, ever, ever be Mod.
Oh wait....... you're being "ignored."
Never mind. ;D
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Please don't do the long quote thing, guys. It is very difficult to read. I want to enjoy your posts.
Damn.....
now you've done it.
Not Walrus will (in jest) call you a Mod, and someone to remain unnamed will barge in here out of the blue, saying you're a piece of shit and could never, ever, ever, ever be Mod.
Oh wait....... you're being "ignored."
Never mind. ;D
Ha, I didn’t catch on that the comments were quoted so many times.
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they should say don king has covid 19, he'll promote the shit out of it
