NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest

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What would you do if you were having a heart attack Tic?

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have a heart attack i guess, i don't really understand your question. are you asking if i'd go to the hospital and/ or take medication?

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Yes hospital and take medication?

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no i won't

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So you would just die by not going to hospital?

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When I say I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects... I'm focusing on tests and screening that is widely recommended by the medical community for people of certain ages and/or risk factors.

Example: Many people today die of colon cancer. This is a completely preventable death, in most cases, with timely checkups and diagnoses. Prostate checkups are generally recommended for men over a certain age... OR... certain risk factors. Women with family history of breast cancer are encouraged to get regular mammograms and stuff like that.

Blood tests are another area. Some people are predisposed for things like high blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. Some of it is hereditary risk factors. A lot of it admittedly has to do with lifestyle choices and discipline (or lack thereof). I see blood tests as I do oil analysis on an engine. You look for certain parameters, which can be predictive in nature when interpreted properly. Results from blood tests can steer a health professional to recommend the best course of action for a patient. Be it drugs... or be it natural medicine... or be it diet and exercise. Or all of the above.

You mention that "many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health". I won't refute that, other than to say that you'll have bad doctors just like you'll have bad engineers, bad lawyers, bad teachers, etc. But you can't condemn an entire professional because of a few bad apples. Yes... a person's health is his/her own responsibility. As is the proper choosing of medical professionals to help them in the quest for good health.

I believe a good word to use here is "balance." It takes a balanced approach and mentality to manage one's own health. Too much in any one direction leaves you open to a boatload of problems.

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each to their own, like i said, ones health is ones responsibility. i'm not interested in what the medical community recommends. they are the ones profiting off peoples continued sickness. i do agree with your statement on lifestyle choices. i also agree on the engine comparison, i see the body as a sort of machine & i'm the ghost in the shell, the better i take care of the machine the longer it will last & the better it will run. i also never condemned an entire community, i did say i don't believe all in the medical industry are this way. if you believe a balance helps, all power to you but i'll never take any medications again in my lifetime

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We seem to be arguing different things. I'm not here advocating every single medication as good. I'm rather focusing on medical tests of all types. Blood tests, cancer screening tests, etc. I just don't see how one can argue against these things. Having a test performed is different than sitting in a doctor's office and having him/her tell you what pills to pop. In fact... I'm not a doctor... but I can reasonably trudge my way through some test results in order to see how I'm doing in certain aspects. So I'm not some medical sales representative out there pushing pills. I'm also well aware that some doctors turn their noses up at natural remedies and other natural approaches to medicine. But just like an engine performance printout can help you diagnose and/or prevent problems with an engine... so can medical tests do the same with the human body.

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What would you do if you were having a heart attack Tic?

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have a heart attack i guess, i don't really understand your question. are you asking if i'd go to the hospital and/ or take medication?

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Yes hospital and take medication?

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no i won't

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So you would just die by not going to hospital?

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i could also die by going to the hospital. the hope for me is that what i have been doing over the last decade & will continue to do everyday will help me keep from getting a serious illness

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When I say I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects... I'm focusing on tests and screening that is widely recommended by the medical community for people of certain ages and/or risk factors.

Example: Many people today die of colon cancer. This is a completely preventable death, in most cases, with timely checkups and diagnoses. Prostate checkups are generally recommended for men over a certain age... OR... certain risk factors. Women with family history of breast cancer are encouraged to get regular mammograms and stuff like that.

Blood tests are another area. Some people are predisposed for things like high blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. Some of it is hereditary risk factors. A lot of it admittedly has to do with lifestyle choices and discipline (or lack thereof). I see blood tests as I do oil analysis on an engine. You look for certain parameters, which can be predictive in nature when interpreted properly. Results from blood tests can steer a health professional to recommend the best course of action for a patient. Be it drugs... or be it natural medicine... or be it diet and exercise. Or all of the above.

You mention that "many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health". I won't refute that, other than to say that you'll have bad doctors just like you'll have bad engineers, bad lawyers, bad teachers, etc. But you can't condemn an entire professional because of a few bad apples. Yes... a person's health is his/her own responsibility. As is the proper choosing of medical professionals to help them in the quest for good health.

I believe a good word to use here is "balance." It takes a balanced approach and mentality to manage one's own health. Too much in any one direction leaves you open to a boatload of problems.

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each to their own, like i said, ones health is ones responsibility. i'm not interested in what the medical community recommends. they are the ones profiting off peoples continued sickness. i do agree with your statement on lifestyle choices. i also agree on the engine comparison, i see the body as a sort of machine & i'm the ghost in the shell, the better i take care of the machine the longer it will last & the better it will run. i also never condemned an entire community, i did say i don't believe all in the medical industry are this way. if you believe a balance helps, all power to you but i'll never take any medications again in my lifetime

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We seem to be arguing different things. I'm not here advocating every single medication as good. I'm rather focusing on medical tests of all types. Blood tests, cancer screening tests, etc. I just don't see how one can argue against these things. Having a test performed is different than sitting in a doctor's office and having him/her tell you what pills to pop. In fact... I'm not a doctor... but I can reasonably trudge my way through some test results in order to see how I'm doing in certain aspects. So I'm not some medical sales representative out there pushing pills. I'm also well aware that some doctors turn their noses up at natural remedies and other natural approaches to medicine. But just like an engine performance printout can help you diagnose and/or prevent problems with an engine... so can medical tests do the same with the human body.

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you & i are not arguing different things. you think tests & screening are beneficial for you & i feel i don't need them in my life

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When I say I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects... I'm focusing on tests and screening that is widely recommended by the medical community for people of certain ages and/or risk factors.

Example: Many people today die of colon cancer. This is a completely preventable death, in most cases, with timely checkups and diagnoses. Prostate checkups are generally recommended for men over a certain age... OR... certain risk factors. Women with family history of breast cancer are encouraged to get regular mammograms and stuff like that.

Blood tests are another area. Some people are predisposed for things like high blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. Some of it is hereditary risk factors. A lot of it admittedly has to do with lifestyle choices and discipline (or lack thereof). I see blood tests as I do oil analysis on an engine. You look for certain parameters, which can be predictive in nature when interpreted properly. Results from blood tests can steer a health professional to recommend the best course of action for a patient. Be it drugs... or be it natural medicine... or be it diet and exercise. Or all of the above.

You mention that "many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health". I won't refute that, other than to say that you'll have bad doctors just like you'll have bad engineers, bad lawyers, bad teachers, etc. But you can't condemn an entire professional because of a few bad apples. Yes... a person's health is his/her own responsibility. As is the proper choosing of medical professionals to help them in the quest for good health.

I believe a good word to use here is "balance." It takes a balanced approach and mentality to manage one's own health. Too much in any one direction leaves you open to a boatload of problems.

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each to their own, like i said, ones health is ones responsibility. i'm not interested in what the medical community recommends. they are the ones profiting off peoples continued sickness. i do agree with your statement on lifestyle choices. i also agree on the engine comparison, i see the body as a sort of machine & i'm the ghost in the shell, the better i take care of the machine the longer it will last & the better it will run. i also never condemned an entire community, i did say i don't believe all in the medical industry are this way. if you believe a balance helps, all power to you but i'll never take any medications again in my lifetime

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We seem to be arguing different things. I'm not here advocating every single medication as good. I'm rather focusing on medical tests of all types. Blood tests, cancer screening tests, etc. I just don't see how one can argue against these things. Having a test performed is different than sitting in a doctor's office and having him/her tell you what pills to pop. In fact... I'm not a doctor... but I can reasonably trudge my way through some test results in order to see how I'm doing in certain aspects. So I'm not some medical sales representative out there pushing pills. I'm also well aware that some doctors turn their noses up at natural remedies and other natural approaches to medicine. But just like an engine performance printout can help you diagnose and/or prevent problems with an engine... so can medical tests do the same with the human body.

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you & i are not arguing different things. you think tests & screening are beneficial for you & i feel i don't need them in my life

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Well you had mentioned medicines, so I thought you were only discussing that.

If you don't feel you need any type of medical tests or screening... ever... then I guess that's your prerogative.

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spergy larry, why are you introducing all these red herrings to distract from the statement i posted? i don't even know who the guy is or care. i just agree with what is stated. no one is forcing you to agree with that statement, everything else you have posted is irrelevant to the statement i posted

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They are not red herrings they are unavoidable facts that demonstrate both how gullible you are and how stupid the quote itself is.

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What would you do if you were having a heart attack Tic?

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have a heart attack i guess, i don't really understand your question. are you asking if i'd go to the hospital and/ or take medication?

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Yes hospital and take medication?

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no i won't

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So you would just die by not going to hospital?

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i could also die by going to the hospital. the hope for me is that what i have been doing over the last decade & will continue to do everyday will help me keep from getting a serious illness

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Can't go on hope alone especially as you get older. Serious illness require medical intervention.

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spergy larry, why are you introducing all these red herrings to distract from the statement i posted? i don't even know who the guy is or care. i just agree with what is stated. no one is forcing you to agree with that statement, everything else you have posted is irrelevant to the statement i posted

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They are not red herrings they are unavoidable facts that demonstrate both how gullible you are and how stupid the quote itself is.

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yes they are spergy larry, i only agree with the statement i posted, everything else is stuff you have introduced as red herrings to attack. if you don't agree with the statement, that is your right. you are the stupid retard who puts your health in the hands of those who profit of your continued illness & why do you care how another people choose to manage their health?

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What would you do if you were having a heart attack Tic?

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have a heart attack i guess, i don't really understand your question. are you asking if i'd go to the hospital and/ or take medication?

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Yes hospital and take medication?

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no i won't

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So you would just die by not going to hospital?

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i could also die by going to the hospital. the hope for me is that what i have been doing over the last decade & will continue to do everyday will help me keep from getting a serious illness

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Can't go on hope alone especially as you get older. Serious illness require medical intervention.

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why not, you don't sound very healthy. i don't think you're the best person to be giving health advise

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What would you do if you were having a heart attack Tic?

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have a heart attack i guess, i don't really understand your question. are you asking if i'd go to the hospital and/ or take medication?

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Yes hospital and take medication?

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no i won't

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So you would just die by not going to hospital?

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i could also die by going to the hospital. the hope for me is that what i have been doing over the last decade & will continue to do everyday will help me keep from getting a serious illness

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Can't go on hope alone especially as you get older. Serious illness require medical intervention.

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why not, you don't sound very healthy. i don't think you're the best person to be giving health advise

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Age is a factor for ill health that is why. I am healthy but anyone can get sick. I just hope you stay well and healthy.

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spergy larry, why are you introducing all these red herrings to distract from the statement i posted? i don't even know who the guy is or care. i just agree with what is stated. no one is forcing you to agree with that statement, everything else you have posted is irrelevant to the statement i posted

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They are not red herrings they are unavoidable facts that demonstrate both how gullible you are and how stupid the quote itself is.

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yes they are spergy larry, i only agree with the statement i posted, everything else is stuff you have introduced as red herrings to attack. if you don't agree with the statement, that is your right. you are the stupid retard who puts your health in the hands of those who profit of your continued illness & why do you care how another people choose to manage their health?

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No they are not. Not at all. You use red herrings yourself to distract all the time and are often foolishly led by your nose and down a rabbit hole by refusing to stay focused on the subject you are pursuing. Me pointing out that the fella's photograph in the quote you posted is not even him, and showing you evidence of the fact that the actual person who made such a quote was like you ruled by irrational faith based fears, and then was struck off for being incompetent, absolutely undermine any attempt to pass of his quote as being useful.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/damar-h...collapse-game/

"Damar Hamlin discharged from Buffalo hospital 9 days after suffering cardiac arrest during a game"



More good news. :)

So basically it's all good. Events in chronological order:

• Buffalo Bills travel to Cincinnati to face the Bengals in a (critical) Monday Night Football game.
• During the game, Bills safety Damar Hamlin sustains a blow to the chest during a routine tackle, leading to cardiac arrest on the field. He is administered CPR before getting loaded into an ambulance and to a Cincinnati hospital.
• After an hour or so, the game is cancelled by the NFL (who later decides not to make up the game).
• Some Buffalo players fly home... but others stay in Cincinnati as Damar remains in critical condition.
• Eventually, Damar regains consciousness and the breathing tube is removed. The remaining Buffalo players fly home.
• Damar watches from the Cincinnati hospital as the Buffalo Bills take on the New England Patriots at home in Buffalo.
• In the days after the game, Damar is transferred from the Cincinnati hospital to a Buffalo hospital. His improvement continues.
• Now he has finally been discharged from the Buffalo hospital to go back home.

If I were to guess... I'd venture to say there's a fair chance Damar could be in attendance for the Bills' first playoff game this weekend, against the Miami Dolphins. Damar's attendance would be an incredible boost to an already super-motivated Buffalo Bills team and fanbase. Good news all around. :)

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spergy larry, why are you introducing all these red herrings to distract from the statement i posted? i don't even know who the guy is or care. i just agree with what is stated. no one is forcing you to agree with that statement, everything else you have posted is irrelevant to the statement i posted

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They are not red herrings they are unavoidable facts that demonstrate both how gullible you are and how stupid the quote itself is.

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yes they are spergy larry, i only agree with the statement i posted, everything else is stuff you have introduced as red herrings to attack. if you don't agree with the statement, that is your right. you are the stupid retard who puts your health in the hands of those who profit of your continued illness & why do you care how another people choose to manage their health?

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No they are not. Not at all. You use red herrings yourself to distract all the time and are often foolishly led by your nose and down a rabbit hole by refusing to stay focused on the subject you are pursuing. Me pointing out that the fella's photograph in the quote you posted is not even him, and showing you evidence of the fact that the actual person who made such a quote was like you ruled by irrational faith based fears, and then was struck off for being incompetent, absolutely undermine any attempt to pass of his quote as being useful.

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they are red herrings spergy larry. the quote is probably his opinion, i agree with that opinion. you don't have to & no one is forcing you to believe or live the they way they do. completely ignoring the medical industry over the last decade has been nothing but useful for me

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What would you do if you were having a heart attack Tic?

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have a heart attack i guess, i don't really understand your question. are you asking if i'd go to the hospital and/ or take medication?

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Yes hospital and take medication?

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no i won't

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So you would just die by not going to hospital?

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i could also die by going to the hospital. the hope for me is that what i have been doing over the last decade & will continue to do everyday will help me keep from getting a serious illness

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Can't go on hope alone especially as you get older. Serious illness require medical intervention.

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why not, you don't sound very healthy. i don't think you're the best person to be giving health advise

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Age is a factor for ill health that is why. I am healthy but anyone can get sick. I just hope you stay well and healthy.

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age obviously will deteriorate the body over time. you just had a heart attack. i would not consider you healthy. i just hope you stay well & healthy

i'm guessing the bills win the super bowl

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i'm guessing the bills win the super bowl

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They were pre-season favorites so it wouldn't be a stretch.

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They were pre-season favorites so it wouldn't be a stretch.

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oh i didn't know that, thanks, pretty good guess then. it'd have a nice story behind it & the bills uniforms having the same colours as the american flag would be a nice cherry on the top

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i'm guessing the bills win the super bowl

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They were pre-season favorites so it wouldn't be a stretch.

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oh i didn't know that, thanks, pretty good guess then. it'd have a nice story behind it & the bills uniforms having the same colours as the american flag would be a nice cherry on the top

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Yep. This weekend they host the Miami Dolphins (from the warm south) in the Wild Card round of the playoffs. The Dolphins are on their 3rd string quarterback, which doesn't bode well for them either.

Although the NFL has a saying that goes "On any given Sunday..." I'd say a Bills win is a pretty safe bet.

From there it's still to be decided who they would face in the Divisional Playoffs... the Conference Championships... and finally the Super Bowl, if they get that far.

I'll keep everyone posted. ;D

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They were pre-season favorites so it wouldn't be a stretch.

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oh i didn't know that, thanks, pretty good guess then. it'd have a nice story behind it & the bills uniforms having the same colours as the american flag would be a nice cherry on the top

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Yep. This weekend they host the Miami Dolphins (from the warm south) in the Wild Card round of the playoffs. The Dolphins are on their 3rd string quarterback, which doesn't bode well for them either.

Although the NFL has a saying that goes "On any given Sunday..." I'd say a Bills win is a pretty safe bet.

From there it's still to be decided who they would face in the Divisional Playoffs... the Conference Championships... and finally the Super Bowl, if they get that far.

I'll keep everyone posted. ;D

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sounds like something i should put money on. slightly off topic, do you think damar will ever play again? have there been other athletes who have returned to the top level, especially in contact sports after suffering the same type of medical emergency?

Wildest thread so far in '23

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i'm guessing the bills win the super bowl

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They were pre-season favorites so it wouldn't be a stretch.

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oh i didn't know that, thanks, pretty good guess then. it'd have a nice story behind it & the bills uniforms having the same colours as the american flag would be a nice cherry on the top

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Yep. This weekend they host the Miami Dolphins (from the warm south) in the Wild Card round of the playoffs. The Dolphins are on their 3rd string quarterback, which doesn't bode well for them either.

Although the NFL has a saying that goes "On any given Sunday..." I'd say a Bills win is a pretty safe bet.

From there it's still to be decided who they would face in the Divisional Playoffs... the Conference Championships... and finally the Super Bowl, if they get that far.

I'll keep everyone posted. ;D

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sounds like something i should put money on. slightly off topic, do you think damar will ever play again? have there been other athletes who have returned to the top level, especially in contact sports after suffering the same type of medical emergency?

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Good question. I'm going to go out on a (very thin) limb and say that Damar could presumably resume his football career, especially if his physical recovery is complete and 100%. But I'm not sure about the mental aspect of it... and even what his family and friends would have to say about that. I put myself in his shoes and I'm not sure I ever step on a football field again. It was THAT scary of an incident.

In comparison, you have the case of Tua Tagovailoa, quarterback for the Miami Dolphins. He has suffered two documented concussions this season... and probably a third one that was not treated as a concussion. The second one was scary (coincidentally also in Cincinnati)... and Tua was removed from the field in an ambulance also. I've seen sports talk shows where they're theorizing that Tua's career could be in jeopardy. Which is tough for Tua, because he's only in his 2nd year in the league and stood to make tons of money since he's an extremely talented player.

So two young guys... two decisions as to what they should do with their football careers. In Damar's case, it's tough to get the specter of another blow to the chest triggering the same thing out of your head. In Tua's case, he seems a bit injury prone, and after two, maybe three concussions... early retirement might be on the table.

Not an easy sport... this one. :-\

the hit he took was nothing, would the league allow him on the field again? do nfl players get insured? would an insurance company touch him, if they do? off topic, do you think this incident has increased interest & eyes on this part of the season?

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the hit he took was nothing, would the league allow him on the field again? do nfl players get insured? would an insurance company touch him, if they do? off topic, do you think this incident has increased interest & eyes on this part of the season?

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Good questions all.

Would the NFL allow Damar back on the field again? I venture to say yes, as long as he passed a rigorous battery of physical tests. Could be wrong, though... and that bridge has yet to be crossed. First though... Hamlin would have to want to get back on the field. That... IMO... is not a given.

Are NFL players insured? Yes. It's similar in form to the insurance plans offered by other employers. I'm pretty sure the NFLPA (NFL Players Association) has a huge hand in what goes into that insurance plan. I'm not sure how Damar's insurance would be affected going forward if he were to resume his playing career. We all know insurance companies' #1 priority is always their bottom line.

Your last question is very interesting. Yes... I'm of the opinion that interest in the playoffs has probably been magnified, stemming from the Damar incident. Hard to imagine... 'cause interest in the NFL playoffs are usually HUGE to begin with. So this added wrinkle (and the fact that the Bills are firmly still in the playoffs) is sure to have attracted the attention from people who wouldn't otherwise follow football.

I'm sure a lot of neutral football fans (no team preference) are now rooting for the Bills to win the Super Bowl this year. As I said before... it's not at all far-fetched, as they have one of the more complete teams in the NFL.

I do wonder if he'll play again, Eriksen was pretty much dead on the field v Finland, got the AED and CPR on screen :S, he woke up and was speaking pretty much straight away, obviously went to the hospital and stayed there for a bit. He was give some form of pacemaker and then he was back playing normal football not long after.. wasn't allowed to play in the Italian league due to their rules but he moved to England and seems fine :S.. Daley blind also has the same device and is now playing for bayern..

Hamlin was on a ventilator though, sounds like his episode was worse than the two heart attack footballers, I'd guess he'll be able to play again but I think the NFL will block him from returning, they're in enough trouble with concussion if Hamlin drops dead that would damage their brand a lot(and that is what matters to these guys)

Also I'm supporting the Jaguars now, or as Austin Powers might call them..
The SHAGUARS BABY....groovy?

True that, the Italians did ban Eriksen

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the hit he took was nothing, would the league allow him on the field again? do nfl players get insured? would an insurance company touch him, if they do? off topic, do you think this incident has increased interest & eyes on this part of the season?

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Good questions all.

Would the NFL allow Damar back on the field again? I venture to say yes, as long as he passed a rigorous battery of physical tests. Could be wrong, though... and that bridge has yet to be crossed. First though... Hamlin would have to want to get back on the field. That... IMO... is not a given.

Are NFL players insured? Yes. It's similar in form to the insurance plans offered by other employers. I'm pretty sure the NFLPA (NFL Players Association) has a huge hand in what goes into that insurance plan. I'm not sure how Damar's insurance would be affected going forward if he were to resume his playing career. We all know insurance companies' #1 priority is always their bottom line.

Your last question is very interesting. Yes... I'm of the opinion that interest in the playoffs has probably been magnified, stemming from the Damar incident. Hard to imagine... 'cause interest in the NFL playoffs are usually HUGE to begin with. So this added wrinkle (and the fact that the Bills are firmly still in the playoffs) is sure to have attracted the attention from people who wouldn't otherwise follow football.

I'm sure a lot of neutral football fans (no team preference) are now rooting for the Bills to win the Super Bowl this year. As I said before... it's not at all far-fetched, as they have one of the more complete teams in the NFL.

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i also think the nfl would let him play again if it brings in money. i remember hearing terry norris say that he had been cleared to fight even though he had brain issues. the blow back if anything went wrong with him though could be a risk they may not want to take. i'm sure damar must have made a enough to live on? & maybe his insurance pays him out something as well. i'm sure they could keep him in the sport somehow without playing, commentating or something. i take myself for example, someone who has never paid much attention to the nfl apart from madden games & highlights, i'm interested to see if my prediction on the bills winning the super bowl comes to fruition. i'm sure there are many others. thanks for the information

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Originally Posted by palmerq

I do wonder if he'll play again, Eriksen was pretty much dead on the field v Finland, got the AED and CPR on screen :S, he woke up and was speaking pretty much straight away, obviously went to the hospital and stayed there for a bit. He was give some form of pacemaker and then he was back playing normal football not long after.. wasn't allowed to play in the Italian league due to their rules but he moved to England and seems fine :S.. Daley blind also has the same device and is now playing for bayern..

Hamlin was on a ventilator though, sounds like his episode was worse than the two heart attack footballers, I'd guess he'll be able to play again but I think the NFL will block him from returning, they're in enough trouble with concussion if Hamlin drops dead that would damage their brand a lot(and that is what matters to these guys)

Also I'm supporting the Jaguars now, or as Austin Powers might call them..
The SHAGUARS BABY....groovy?

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did these guys you mention have any family history of health issues or prior health conditions? i think titofan mentioned one of them did. has any information been released about damar's family health history or prior conditions? the guys you mention are soccer players right? i have seen some big hits in soccer but in my opinion the nfl is a much more physical contact sport. do we have any comparisons with heart issues for players from a bump in a tackle in the nfl, rugby, league, afl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1RSHNT-XYQ

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/b...ic-upset/live/

"Bills vs. Dolphins score, takeaways: Buffalo overcomes costly mistakes, survives Miami's bid at historic upset"



Buffalo squeaked by the Dolphins. They're gonna have to play better from here on out if they want a chance to get to and win the Super Bowl.

As for Damar...

https://www.tmz.com/2023/01/15/damar...wins-dolphins/

"DAMAR HAMLIN
CHEERS ON BUFFALO BILLS FROM HOME ...
Team Secures Another W!!!"


Damar's doing much better. :) But apparently felt it was better to watch this one from home.

The Dallas Cowboys kicker has missed four out of four Extra points... possibly named ray Finkle jr?.. they're still winning 24-0 :S

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Originally Posted by palmerq

The Dallas Cowboys kicker has missed four out of four Extra points... possibly named ray Finkle jr?.. they're still winning 24-0 :S

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Haven't rooted this hard for the Cowgirls since I was a kid. Frankly tired of looking at Brady ;D. He's looking pretty worn here, but if this goes sideways for Dallas that kicker will be tapped to the Goal post overnight.

Haha down he goes :-X. Ok I'm done.

He's only 21 points down with two minutes left and Brady has the Ball, the comeback is on... Geezer strechered off with a neck injury.

Well it's over. Brady and the Bucs were their usual INCONSISTENT selves on a night when the Cowboys were inspired. Luckily for me... Dallas goes to San Francisco next. 'Cause that's where it ends for them. (Not a Cowboy fan ;D ).

As far as Brady, well... he's earned the right to do whatever he wants. I wish him luck whatever it is. If he does come back (kind of 50/50 for me)... I hope it's not with the Bucs. Maybe the 49ers depending on what their QB situation is.

For me the playoffs went as I thought. I figured the Vikings would fold like a lawn chair and they did. Gotta look out for those Giants now.



Also... I'm glad Aaron Rodgers didn't make it into the playoffs. He gets SO MUCH air time on ESPN (that "baaddd man"), you'd think he's got more than one lousy Super Bowl ring to his credit.

Can't even carry the GOAT's jock strap.

Eli Manning has two ! Twice as good as Rodgers!

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Eli Manning has two ! Twice as good as Rodgers!

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Did some research on that. ;D

So Brady's got 7 rings.
Bradshaw and Montana have 4 each.
Aikman's got 3.

Then there's a whopping EIGHT quarterbacks with 2 each (including Eli).

Did some MORE research. ;D

Brady's playoff record is now 35 wins, 13 losses (73% win rate).
Rodgers' playoff record is 12-10 (55% win rate).

Of the 12 QBs with two or more Super Bowl rings... only Peyton Manning has a lower win percentage (14-13, 52%) in the playoffs than Rodgers.
And Peyton was twice the quarterback that Rodgers was/is.

ESPN and the rest of the sports media definitely have a man-crush on Aaron Rodgers.

Rodgers really has won less than you'd think going by the way they talk about him, I don't know enough about the NFL to make any big claims,(other than Eli is the superior manning... Peyton only won his second Superbowl because his defense carried him).. I guess Rodgers has just been very good in the regular season, Green bay have been one of the fairly consistent teams over the years too so he should be disappointed with only one Superbowl win.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/1...burrow-bengals

"There Will Be No Fairy Tale Ending for the Bills"




Wow... hell of a game. The Cincinnati Bengals went into SNOWY Buffalo... with Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin watching at the stadium... and put an end to the Bills' storybook season.

Hats off to Joe Burrow and the rest of the Bengals. It was their first meeting with the Bills since that Monday night when Hamlin was carted off in an ambulance.

I guess the Hollywood script ends there.

Still... the Bills have nothing to be ashamed of. They won their division... and defeated the Miami Dolphins in the Wild Card weekend of the playoffs, before succumbing to the Bengals.

The Bengals have showed all season they're for real... and next week square off against the Kansas City Chiefs for the AFC championship and a berth in the Super Bowl.

Good stuff... and my best wishes to Damar for a continued full recovery.

:)

i watched bits, the dream finish didn't happen. saw damar was allegedly there. did anyone get a shot of his face? that could have been anyone from what i saw. i'm starting to have more & more doubts about this event