Joe Calzaghe???????

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I dont know but the fight was agreed on, and why is it a given that a european based fighter has to travel to America?

If terms were agreed it wouldnt matter where im sure Hopkins and HBO would demand an American referee and an American judge. A luxury travaling fighters dont have when they fight in America.

I dont want this to keep going on Calzaghe is a great fighter if you disagree fine be wrong.

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Bernard Hopkins was a legend before Calzaghe and more than likely the higher rated fighter p4p and therefore Joe comes to the US and Bernard doesn't go to HooliganLand.


I'm being fair RJJ and Hopkins didn't take MANY chances but they did take some chances...RJJ went up to heavyweight, fought Tarver after being at heavyweight...B-Hop fought Jermain Taylor twice when he didn't really have to, he fought Winky Wright and Tarver and revived his career at 175.

Calzaghe has only JUST come to America and he fought Peter Manfredo within his last 5 fights for fucks sake! Prime my ass....that is fucking WEAK

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

He would kill Carl Froch though.

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I laugh at Calzaghe fans - never in defeat has someone's star risen like Kessler's. It's quite ridiculous really.

Kessler did nothing in his fight with Joe. Sure got lucky with about 3 shots in the 4th round, but other than that he was dreadful. Considering the excitement and build up surrounding the event i have never been so disappointed in my life.

Against the completely unheralded Sartison, he nearly got his head caved in during the opening round. So much for the Big Bear preparation.

Every time Kessler throws that left jab he draws it back low. He will get knocked out by a puncher when he finally decides to fight one, because so far he hasn't.

Now Hopkins, that was TV gold. Watching Joe getting bounced off the canvas and lead around the ring by the old master was quite amusing. The old fella gave him a split loss in my eyes. Even in defeat, at his age he proved he was the bigger man.

So in closing, Calzaghe has ducked Geln Johnson a bunch of times, has been bounced off the canvas three times (once by a guy ranked 60th in Salem) has held the least prestigious belt in the division, barely travelled for over a decade, has two questionable wins over Reid and Hopkins, is fighting a washed-up (his own words) Roy Jones and has 7 points wins from his last 8.... and i did i mention he is dull to watch and even duller to listen too ?

Im completly with the author on this topic.

And surprise surprise... the owner of the Ring magazine and compliler of the Ring ratings... is also gonna be his promoter too. Mmmmmmmm.

Diddums

You have alot on your plate;D

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

45-0 And what??? come on fill me in tell me what i'm missing after years of watching i still think he is CRAP!!

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Am I the only person who read this behemoth or a post and asked "where's the beef?"

How did such a shitty, hollow and weightless post spawn so many pages of meaningful debate?

I already PM'd the guy and told him his shit read like a book report written by a handicapped 10 year old.

Not really arsed about the topic at all I just expect more weight behind a statement in saddo's, is this place on the slide or what?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I dont know but the fight was agreed on, and why is it a given that a european based fighter has to travel to America?

If terms were agreed it wouldnt matter where im sure Hopkins and HBO would demand an American referee and an American judge. A luxury travaling fighters dont have when they fight in America.

I dont want this to keep going on Calzaghe is a great fighter if you disagree fine be wrong.

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Bernard Hopkins was a legend before Calzaghe and more than likely the higher rated fighter p4p and therefore Joe comes to the US and Bernard doesn't go to HooliganLand.


I'm being fair RJJ and Hopkins didn't take MANY chances but they did take some chances...RJJ went up to heavyweight, fought Tarver after being at heavyweight...B-Hop fought Jermain Taylor twice when he didn't really have to, he fought Winky Wright and Tarver and revived his career at 175.

Calzaghe has only JUST come to America and he fought Peter Manfredo within his last 5 fights for fucks sake! Prime my ass....that is fucking WEAK

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Like I said I'm not really wanting to get into this 'debate' Lyle... but please tell me that you were joking when you called fighting a 175 pound Winky Wright 'taking a risk'? :-\

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I dont know but the fight was agreed on, and why is it a given that a european based fighter has to travel to America?

If terms were agreed it wouldnt matter where im sure Hopkins and HBO would demand an American referee and an American judge. A luxury travaling fighters dont have when they fight in America.

I dont want this to keep going on Calzaghe is a great fighter if you disagree fine be wrong.

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Bernard Hopkins was a legend before Calzaghe and more than likely the higher rated fighter p4p and therefore Joe comes to the US and Bernard doesn't go to HooliganLand.


I'm being fair RJJ and Hopkins didn't take MANY chances but they did take some chances...RJJ went up to heavyweight, fought Tarver after being at heavyweight...B-Hop fought Jermain Taylor twice when he didn't really have to, he fought Winky Wright and Tarver and revived his career at 175.

Calzaghe has only JUST come to America and he fought Peter Manfredo within his last 5 fights for fucks sake! Prime my ass....that is fucking WEAK

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Manfredo was a HBO opponent they wanted the fight so it got signed.

As for Calzaghe has only JUST come to America its crap why does he have to go there to prove himself? he is the champ he is now the marquee fighter and a ring is a ring. As for Manfredo yer he was a bum but a mainstream name Kelly Pavlik just fought Lockett. And as for this last five fights rubbish i`ll remind you that the former P4P king Floyd Mayweather fought Sharmba Mitchell and Carlos Baldomir in his last 5 fights. Why because there were a means to an end.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

I laugh at Calzaghe fans - never in defeat has someone's star risen like Kessler's. It's quite ridiculous really.

Kessler did nothing in his fight with Joe. Sure got lucky with about 3 shots in the 4th round, but other than that he was dreadful. Considering the excitement and build up surrounding the event i have never been so disappointed in my life.

Against the completely unheralded Sartison, he nearly got his head caved in during the opening round. So much for the Big Bear preparation.

Every time Kessler throws that left jab he draws it back low. He will get knocked out by a puncher when he finally decides to fight one, because so far he hasn't.

Now Hopkins, that was TV gold. Watching Joe getting bounced off the canvas and lead around the ring by the old master was quite amusing. The old fella gave him a split loss in my eyes. Even in defeat, at his age he proved he was the bigger man.

So in closing, Calzaghe has ducked Geln Johnson a bunch of times, has been bounced off the canvas three times (once by a guy ranked 60th in Salem) has held the least prestigious belt in the division, barely travelled for over a decade, has two questionable wins over Reid and Hopkins, is fighting a washed-up (his own words) Roy Jones and has 7 points wins from his last 8.... and i did i mention he is dull to watch and even duller to listen too ?

Im completly with the author on this topic.

And surprise surprise... the owner of the Ring magazine and compliler of the Ring ratings... is also gonna be his promoter too. Mmmmmmmm.

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Firstly i love it when Froch fans blast any fighter the guy has fought more bums than Tye Fields.

Secondly i was referring to Kelly Pavlik beating Froak not Mikkel Kessler.

45-0 And what??? come on fill me in tell me what i'm missing after years of watching i still think he is CRAP!!
In 45 fights these are the best he has fought.

Chris Eubank:
Who came in at short notice had to lose 11lbs in 7 days Eubanks was past his best but still gave Calzaghe a good fight one of his toughest in fact but this did show us what Calzaghe was made of.

Robin Reid:
Who in my eyes beat him alot of people thought so as well he should have at least got a rematch.

Omar Sheika:
Lets have it right this was a guy who got beat by Tony Booth for god sake.

Richie Woodhall:
A good fighter won a WBC world title at super middle but he nearly got beat by Glenn Catley many thought he did get beat.Then he got beat by Markus Beyer and lost his world title.Woodhall was a good fighter but just good not outstanding.

Charles Brewer:
This guy lost twice to Sven Ottke he had 8 losses before he got to Calzaghe and Calzaghe had some rough times in this fight and he should have KO'd Brewer in my opinion for it to be a impressive win.

Byron Mitchell:
A fairly good puncher won a world title vs Frankie Liles TKO11 but then went on in his first defence and drew with Bruno girard then lost it in his 2nd defence in a rematch vs Gerard.In his fight before Calzaghe lost vs Sven Ottke so it was a safe bet for Calzaghe to win.Calzaghe got dropped heavy but came back to KO mitchell a good win.

Jeff Lacy:
IBF Super Middleweight champ but well overrated and overhyped.He had good power but relied on it he had struggled vs Omar Sheika so more reason for Calzaghe to fight him.Since his loss to Calzaghe Lacy has still failed to impress vs Tsypko and Manfredo so proves to a certain degree he was overhyped.

Mikkel Kessler:
39-0 a good solid fighter number 2 in the world WBC/WBA world champ.A good competetive fight hat off to Calzaghe for this win.

Bernard Hopkins:
43 year old former middleweight champ ranked number 1 at light heavy i think Hopkins won as do many others .

I think calzaghe is overrated slightly i think people get caught up in the he's made 22 world title defences.yes he made 22 defences but went alot of easy routes to do it so could he beat a peak Hopkins or Jones the answer is NO!;);D

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

45-0 And what??? come on fill me in tell me what i'm missing after years of watching i still think he is CRAP!!
In 45 fights these are the best he has fought.

Chris Eubank:
Who came in at short notice had to lose 11lbs in 7 days Eubanks was past his best but still gave Calzaghe a good fight one of his toughest in fact but this did show us what Calzaghe was made of.

Robin Reid:
Who in my eyes beat him alot of people thought so as well he should have at least got a rematch.

Omar Sheika:
Lets have it right this was a guy who got beat by Tony Booth for god sake.

Richie Woodhall:
A good fighter won a WBC world title at super middle but he nearly got beat by Glenn Catley many thought he did get beat.Then he got beat by Markus Beyer and lost his world title.Woodhall was a good fighter but just good not outstanding.

Charles Brewer:
This guy lost twice to Sven Ottke he had 8 losses before he got to Calzaghe and Calzaghe had some rough times in this fight and he should have KO'd Brewer in my opinion for it to be a impressive win.

Byron Mitchell:
A fairly good puncher won a world title vs Frankie Liles TKO11 but then went on in his first defence and drew with Bruno girard then lost it in his 2nd defence in a rematch vs Gerard.In his fight before Calzaghe lost vs Sven Ottke so it was a safe bet for Calzaghe to win.Calzaghe got dropped heavy but came back to KO mitchell a good win.

Jeff Lacy:
IBF Super Middleweight champ but well overrated and overhyped.He had good power but relied on it he had struggled vs Omar Sheika so more reason for Calzaghe to fight him.Since his loss to Calzaghe Lacy has still failed to impress vs Tsypko and Manfredo so proves to a certain degree he was overhyped.

Mikkel Kessler:
39-0 a good solid fighter number 2 in the world WBC/WBA world champ.A good competetive fight hat off to Calzaghe for this win.

Bernard Hopkins:
43 year old former middleweight champ ranked number 1 at light heavy i think Hopkins won as do many others .

I think calzaghe is overrated slightly i think people get caught up in the he's made 22 world title defences.yes he made 22 defences but went alot of easy routes to do it so could he beat a peak Hopkins or Jones the answer is NO!;);D

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VERY WELL PUT

Just read Calzaghe punked out again and postponed the Jones fight. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out completely like he did against Glen Johnson

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Just read Calzaghe punked out again and postponed the Jones fight. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out completely like he did against Glen Johnson

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Why would he punk out of a gimmie? Jones had no chance.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

45-0 And what??? come on fill me in tell me what i'm missing after years of watching i still think he is CRAP!!
In 45 fights these are the best he has fought.

Chris Eubank:
Who came in at short notice had to lose 11lbs in 7 days Eubanks was past his best but still gave Calzaghe a good fight one of his toughest in fact but this did show us what Calzaghe was made of.

Robin Reid:
Who in my eyes beat him alot of people thought so as well he should have at least got a rematch.

Omar Sheika:
Lets have it right this was a guy who got beat by Tony Booth for god sake.

Richie Woodhall:
A good fighter won a WBC world title at super middle but he nearly got beat by Glenn Catley many thought he did get beat.Then he got beat by Markus Beyer and lost his world title.Woodhall was a good fighter but just good not outstanding.

Charles Brewer:
This guy lost twice to Sven Ottke he had 8 losses before he got to Calzaghe and Calzaghe had some rough times in this fight and he should have KO'd Brewer in my opinion for it to be a impressive win.

Byron Mitchell:
A fairly good puncher won a world title vs Frankie Liles TKO11 but then went on in his first defence and drew with Bruno girard then lost it in his 2nd defence in a rematch vs Gerard.In his fight before Calzaghe lost vs Sven Ottke so it was a safe bet for Calzaghe to win.Calzaghe got dropped heavy but came back to KO mitchell a good win.

Jeff Lacy:
IBF Super Middleweight champ but well overrated and overhyped.He had good power but relied on it he had struggled vs Omar Sheika so more reason for Calzaghe to fight him.Since his loss to Calzaghe Lacy has still failed to impress vs Tsypko and Manfredo so proves to a certain degree he was overhyped.

Mikkel Kessler:
39-0 a good solid fighter number 2 in the world WBC/WBA world champ.A good competetive fight hat off to Calzaghe for this win.

Bernard Hopkins:
43 year old former middleweight champ ranked number 1 at light heavy i think Hopkins won as do many others .

I think calzaghe is overrated slightly i think people get caught up in the he's made 22 world title defences.yes he made 22 defences but went alot of easy routes to do it so could he beat a peak Hopkins or Jones the answer is NO!;);D

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Well said. I personally think he is the most overrated fighter in recent memory. His 4 biggest fights where against Eubanks, Lacy, Kessler, and Hopkins. Eubanks was past his prime and still nearly beat Joe. Lacy...an overrated, one dimensional fighter. Kessler...solid fighter, but FAR from being a great fighter...Joe won a competitive fight. Hopkin's...i had the 43 year old Hopkins AT THE VERY LEAST fighting to a draw. So basically the 2 best fighter he has ever faced where a past prime Eubanks and a past prime Hopkins...2 fights and performances that hardly indicate greatness. And as far as his "flashy", pitter patter punching style...that doesn't impress me either. And this has nothing to do with some American bias. Guys like Eubanks, Benn, Lewis, etc. are 10 times the fighters that Calzaghe is.

Eubank is one of my favourites but he didnt came anywhere near to beating Joe, he got dropped in the first and lost nearly every round.

yes Chris had alot of weight to lose but thats his fault for taking the fight.

Sheika was coming off a win over Johnson, who Joe was supposed to have avoided, Sheika has fought a few good fighters and noone has treated him like Joe did

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Originally Posted by zhubin

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

45-0 And what??? come on fill me in tell me what i'm missing after years of watching i still think he is CRAP!!
In 45 fights these are the best he has fought.

Chris Eubank:
Who came in at short notice had to lose 11lbs in 7 days Eubanks was past his best but still gave Calzaghe a good fight one of his toughest in fact but this did show us what Calzaghe was made of.

Robin Reid:
Who in my eyes beat him alot of people thought so as well he should have at least got a rematch.

Omar Sheika:
Lets have it right this was a guy who got beat by Tony Booth for god sake.

Richie Woodhall:
A good fighter won a WBC world title at super middle but he nearly got beat by Glenn Catley many thought he did get beat.Then he got beat by Markus Beyer and lost his world title.Woodhall was a good fighter but just good not outstanding.

Charles Brewer:
This guy lost twice to Sven Ottke he had 8 losses before he got to Calzaghe and Calzaghe had some rough times in this fight and he should have KO'd Brewer in my opinion for it to be a impressive win.

Byron Mitchell:
A fairly good puncher won a world title vs Frankie Liles TKO11 but then went on in his first defence and drew with Bruno girard then lost it in his 2nd defence in a rematch vs Gerard.In his fight before Calzaghe lost vs Sven Ottke so it was a safe bet for Calzaghe to win.Calzaghe got dropped heavy but came back to KO mitchell a good win.

Jeff Lacy:
IBF Super Middleweight champ but well overrated and overhyped.He had good power but relied on it he had struggled vs Omar Sheika so more reason for Calzaghe to fight him.Since his loss to Calzaghe Lacy has still failed to impress vs Tsypko and Manfredo so proves to a certain degree he was overhyped.

Mikkel Kessler:
39-0 a good solid fighter number 2 in the world WBC/WBA world champ.A good competetive fight hat off to Calzaghe for this win.

Bernard Hopkins:
43 year old former middleweight champ ranked number 1 at light heavy i think Hopkins won as do many others .

I think calzaghe is overrated slightly i think people get caught up in the he's made 22 world title defences.yes he made 22 defences but went alot of easy routes to do it so could he beat a peak Hopkins or Jones the answer is NO!;);D

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Well said. I personally think he is the most overrated fighter in recent memory. His 4 biggest fights where against Eubanks, Lacy, Kessler, and Hopkins. Eubanks was past his prime and still nearly beat Joe. Lacy...an overrated, one dimensional fighter. Kessler...solid fighter, but FAR from being a great fighter...Joe won a competitive fight. Hopkin's...i had the 43 year old Hopkins AT THE VERY LEAST fighting to a draw. So basically the 2 best fighter he has ever faced where a past prime Eubanks and a past prime Hopkins...2 fights and performances that hardly indicate greatness. And as far as his "flashy", pitter patter punching style...that doesn't impress me either. And this has nothing to do with some American bias. Guys like Eubanks, Benn, Lewis, etc. are 10 times the fighters that Calzaghe is.

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Eubank nearly beat Joe? wtf.

Next you will be telling me Eubanks didnt have 9wks to get ready for Calzaghe and was really 37 not 31.

Jesus some of you guys are the real deal.

Pretty insane.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

45-0 And what??? come on fill me in tell me what i'm missing after years of watching i still think he is CRAP!!
In 45 fights these are the best he has fought.

Chris Eubank:
Who came in at short notice had to lose 11lbs in 7 days Eubanks was past his best but still gave Calzaghe a good fight one of his toughest in fact but this did show us what Calzaghe was made of.

Robin Reid:
Who in my eyes beat him alot of people thought so as well he should have at least got a rematch.

Omar Sheika:
Lets have it right this was a guy who got beat by Tony Booth for god sake.

Richie Woodhall:
A good fighter won a WBC world title at super middle but he nearly got beat by Glenn Catley many thought he did get beat.Then he got beat by Markus Beyer and lost his world title.Woodhall was a good fighter but just good not outstanding.

Charles Brewer:
This guy lost twice to Sven Ottke he had 8 losses before he got to Calzaghe and Calzaghe had some rough times in this fight and he should have KO'd Brewer in my opinion for it to be a impressive win.

Byron Mitchell:
A fairly good puncher won a world title vs Frankie Liles TKO11 but then went on in his first defence and drew with Bruno girard then lost it in his 2nd defence in a rematch vs Gerard.In his fight before Calzaghe lost vs Sven Ottke so it was a safe bet for Calzaghe to win.Calzaghe got dropped heavy but came back to KO mitchell a good win.

Jeff Lacy:
IBF Super Middleweight champ but well overrated and overhyped.He had good power but relied on it he had struggled vs Omar Sheika so more reason for Calzaghe to fight him.Since his loss to Calzaghe Lacy has still failed to impress vs Tsypko and Manfredo so proves to a certain degree he was overhyped.

Mikkel Kessler:
39-0 a good solid fighter number 2 in the world WBC/WBA world champ.A good competetive fight hat off to Calzaghe for this win.

Bernard Hopkins:
43 year old former middleweight champ ranked number 1 at light heavy i think Hopkins won as do many others .

I think calzaghe is overrated slightly i think people get caught up in the he's made 22 world title defences.yes he made 22 defences but went alot of easy routes to do it so could he beat a peak Hopkins or Jones the answer is NO!;);D

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Eubank came in at short notice? this is a myth as Eubank was already fighting on that date, Collins ducked Calzaghe so Eubanks stepped in at 11days notice.

Chris Eubank had already been in camp for 8wks before that and on his lifestory dvd states it was his "last good camp"