He may not be the greatest but he is the latest best hope we have got.
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He may not be the greatest but he is the latest best hope we have got.
Honestly I don't get all the hate for Haye. Who cares is he's unproven, who cares if he acts like he's done something, he's an exciting heavyweight prospect among the various fat tubs of fat lazy slow fucking boring. That's all that should matter IMO.
Dominic Guinn. Timor and Sultan Ibragimov. John Ruiz. Nicolay Valuev. David Tua. Sam Peter. Oleg Maskaev. Jameel McCline. Malik Scott.
I could go on.
Has anybody seen these people fight? They're boring. Period. All of them and there's more not to mention Wlad.
Haye's like the Luke Skywalker of the heavyweight division, our only real hope.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Agreed...I also think P4P Pacquiao is a more dangerous puncher.....Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepEdwin Valero may argue that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
People tend to forget the names on Hayes KO resume are no world beaters...and those most know are wayy past best...His biggest wins are Mormeck and Enzo....Who the F*** has Enzo ever beaten to be considered anything other then just another fighter....
It may just be me but Haye has done little to impress me so far other then a few decent performances and a KO list of local bar drunks
{acquaio is not a more dangerous puncher than Haye thats a crazy statement. And Hayes resume for a guy with 21fights is superb.
Ok I guess now I see a reason people can't stand Haye.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Dont start stupid shit.
Pacquaio is not a more dangerous puncher than Haye when was the last time you see him blast someone with one shot?
And tell me an active fighter that has fought better comp than Haye after 21 fights?
Try to back yourself up, the old the board will disagree so i will now claim this guy is a hugger trick...... fails everytime.
Let's hope Haye is as good as his talent suggests. The man has all the skills in the World.
The division is boring, American Heavyweight boxing once the flagship is now moribund.
Haye is throwing light and interest on a division that is bland.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Carl Thopson took everything Haye could throw at him when he was 40.
Chris Eubank, a former middle weight dropped Thompson and held back, he was also outboxing him and ahead on points before the ref pulled him out because of a swollen eye in the 10th of their rematch.
Eubank wasn't an 11 fight novice that ran out of gas through inexperience.
Whether Haye is the next great heavyweight or not can only be told by time but your talking as though 240lbs is the weight that HWs hardest punchers weighed..... Your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWell said...People tend to forget that a punch from a bonafied HW fighter (225-240lbs)...That can crack just a bit is one hell of a thing to absorb.....The whole with speed comes power theory has its limits.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION !!!
It is not that speed makes you hit harder it is the fact that you can not prepare for what you can not see coming.....Making the punch that you don't see having a higher effect...With that being said....
At HW you need to have HW power to keep that theory intact....
A shot from a guy who weighs 240lbs at full force will rock you a hell of a lot harder then a guy who is 195-200lbs normally....
Also Haye (And his followers) need to remember that Haye has never felt REAL: HW power and Wlad certainly has REAL HW power.....
Manny will make a game plan suited for Haye if it ever happens...All Wlad has to do is follow it....Wlad is his own worst enemy at times because he anticipates punches or gets punch shy a bit.....That is a no no....But if Wlad does not think he has anything to fear from Hayes shots then he will stand up and fight him...I don't care how much the "Hayemaker" is primed to land if he stands in front of Wlad for one exchange he will find out why he was the cruiserweight chamiopn and not the HW champ in the first place.....
After he wins the belt who does he have to face?.....Are we going to pretend he can stand up to the power of Peter, McCline, even the aging slow punching David Tua would spark him if he lands......
Haye is no Evander Holyfield....He is not the next great HW
Prime Tyson- 215lbs-220lbs
Prime Foreman- 218lbs-230lbs
Prime Shavers- 210lbs-215lbs
Prime Louis- 198lbs-210lbs
Thats just a few but these four could be argued as being the hardest punchers ever and they prove my point that you don't have to be 240lbs to be a great puncher. Punching has a technique to it and once you start getting too heavy you cannot put the same kind of snap into a punch to cause the kind of damage that the men i mentioned used to do.
Haye looks in awesome shape. Not like the other heavyweights, fat slobs.
Haye hasnt even started fighting at heavyweight yet,and he is getting people talking about the heavyweight divison again that can only be good.
I understand you said P4P sorry for the mix up but I was really looking at your last sentence, but n-o one takes a flush Haymaker no-one. Than I said In the cruiserweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusI said P4P.Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION !!!
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWhether Haye is the next great heavyweight or not can only be told by time but your talking as though 240lbs is the weight that HWs hardest punchers weighed..... Your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWell said...People tend to forget that a punch from a bonafied HW fighter (225-240lbs)...That can crack just a bit is one hell of a thing to absorb.....The whole with speed comes power theory has its limits.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
It is not that speed makes you hit harder it is the fact that you can not prepare for what you can not see coming.....Making the punch that you don't see having a higher effect...With that being said....
At HW you need to have HW power to keep that theory intact....
A shot from a guy who weighs 240lbs at full force will rock you a hell of a lot harder then a guy who is 195-200lbs normally....
Also Haye (And his followers) need to remember that Haye has never felt REAL: HW power and Wlad certainly has REAL HW power.....
Manny will make a game plan suited for Haye if it ever happens...All Wlad has to do is follow it....Wlad is his own worst enemy at times because he anticipates punches or gets punch shy a bit.....That is a no no....But if Wlad does not think he has anything to fear from Hayes shots then he will stand up and fight him...I don't care how much the "Hayemaker" is primed to land if he stands in front of Wlad for one exchange he will find out why he was the cruiserweight chamiopn and not the HW champ in the first place.....
After he wins the belt who does he have to face?.....Are we going to pretend he can stand up to the power of Peter, McCline, even the aging slow punching David Tua would spark him if he lands......
Haye is no Evander Holyfield....He is not the next great HW
Prime Tyson- 215lbs-220lbs
Prime Foreman- 218lbs-230lbs
Prime Shavers- 210lbs-215lbs
Prime Louis- 198lbs-210lbs
Thats just a few but these four could be argued as being the hardest punchers ever and they prove my point that you don't have to be 240lbs to be a great puncher. Punching has a technique to it and once you start getting too heavy you cannot put the same kind of snap into a punch to cause the kind of damage that the men i mentioned used to do.
You also have to take into account that the men they were facing were same weight maybe slightly under or over what they weighed.Today's heavyweight's are much bigger and guy's like Wlad have great boxing talent that really hasn't been seen in besides Lennox. Both of these men are huge they are not plotters but light on the toes,their not slow they are very quick indeed for big men.To see Shaver's or Joe Louis in their with Lennox or Wlad I think they would toy with them and then knock them out.
Can't wait for his first fight at heavyweight just wish he would get his opponent set so we know who he is fighting.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
What do you think about Arreola? I think that would be the perfect step up to HW fight for Haye.