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You don't like it when people use what they have do you? You don't like Wlad being tall, lanky, and able to box from distance, you don't like when people build wealth and use it to their advantage....you just want a level playing field where everyone is equal and everyone wins.....go join the YMCA buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by LyleYou don't like it when people use what they have do you? You don't like Wlad being tall, lanky, and able to box from distance, you don't like when people build wealth and use it to their advantage....you just want a level playing field where everyone is equal and everyone wins.....go join the YMCA buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
as sad as this sounds id rather see ruiz fight klitchko
at least we could watch ruiz get the supreme piss beaten out of him
I don't like Vlad because he's a chinny fraud. I'm an ardent capitalist and have no problem at all with earning money and the ability of some people to earn more than others. And when Sultan Obama, peace be upon him, takes power and drops the gay bomb on the southern states we both know which of us will be doing the YMCA. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleYou don't like it when people use what they have do you? You don't like Wlad being tall, lanky, and able to box from distance, you don't like when people build wealth and use it to their advantage....you just want a level playing field where everyone is equal and everyone wins.....go join the YMCA buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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I don't like Vlad because he's a chinny fraud. I'm an ardent capitalist and have no problem at all with earning money and the ability of some people to earn more than others. And when Sultan Obama, peace be upon him, takes power and drops the gay bomb on the southern states we both know which of us will be doing the YMCA. ;)[quote]
Wlad WILL beat David Haye so badly it will ruin Haye's career. Haye will be beaten so bad he will WISH for the status of Audley Harrison! That is if Haye waits in line for Wlad....if Haye jumps on up to Vitali he'll be beaten even worse....go ahead and tell the ref to start waving, by the time he stops Haye will be a bloody mass slumped on the canvas.
Hey, if anyone could develop a gay-bomb it's you princess
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I don't like Vlad because he's a chinny fraud. I'm an ardent capitalist and have no problem at all with earning money and the ability of some people to earn more than others. And when Sultan Obama, peace be upon him, takes power and drops the gay bomb on the southern states we both know which of us will be doing the YMCA. ;)Even if he does beat Haye he'll spend the fight just trying to jab and he'll wet himself every time Haye starts throwing punches and grab hold of him. He'll look what he is, a big lump who's terrified of being hit on his glass jaw so he fights in the world's most boring, risk-averse fashion.Quote:
Wlad WILL beat David Haye so badly it will ruin Haye's career. Haye will be beaten so bad he will WISH for the status of Audley Harrison! That is if Haye waits in line for Wlad....if Haye jumps on up to Vitali he'll be beaten even worse....go ahead and tell the ref to start waving, by the time he stops Haye will be a bloody mass slumped on the canvas.
Hey, if anyone could develop a gay-bomb it's you princess
And you don't need to fear being gayified Lyle. When it happens we won't think any less of you. We'll all be right behind you. :)
He bores me. He hugs and paws too much. Jab right hand paw clutch. Not for me.Quote:
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Why does the world want to be rid of Wlad?....Exactly what is wrong with him?...He gets better with every fight....His chin factor adds excitement to the bouts....He has fabulous power....The only downfall is he can at times be one dimensional and too cautious....
In truth though he is not that bad....
To be fair, I didn't like him back when he was less boring so I don't claim to be totally rational about it.
Fair enough mate...at least you have a valid opp...Truth is I was not always a Wlad fan but he grew on me...IMO he is a bit over criticized but just my opp..Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanHe bores me. He hugs and paws too much. Jab right hand paw clutch. Not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Why does the world want to be rid of Wlad?....Exactly what is wrong with him?...He gets better with every fight....His chin factor adds excitement to the bouts....He has fabulous power....The only downfall is he can at times be one dimensional and too cautious....
In truth though he is not that bad....
To be fair, I didn't like him back when he was less boring so I don't claim to be totally rational about it.
It's funny you have a legend like Lewis in your sig but support the Extremely boring Wlad I can't wait for his reign of boredom to end.
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Originally Posted by piye
What does having Lennox in my sig have to do with anything?......Lennox is an ATG...One of the top 5 HWTS ever.....But Lennox is not here is he?....:confused:
Nope just checked boxrec and nothing schedualed...Nothing on his website about a possible return.....
Get with it man...we have to deal with what we have...out of our current choices Wlad is the one...Vitaly has just returned and IMO the better fighter hands down but again he has just returned and I will wait to see if he really plans to stay around before getting too excited.....
Wlad can be a bit boring at times but he is improving...He is only 32...Lennox did not reach his max potential until he was 33-34....He has his good points about him....There have been worse
If Wlad is 'it' I don't want to get with it I'd rather stay in the past.Quote:
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Originally Posted by piye
What does having Lennox in my sig have to do with anything?......Lennox is an ATG...One of the top 5 HWTS ever.....But Lennox is not here is he?....:confused:
Nope just checked boxrec and nothing schedualed...Nothing on his website about a possible return.....
Get with it man...we have to deal with what we have...out of our current choices Wlad is the one...Vitaly has just returned and IMO the better fighter hands down but again he has just returned and I will wait to see if he really plans to stay around before getting too excited.....
Wlad can be a bit boring at times but he is improving...He is only 32...Lennox did not reach his max potential until he was 33-34....He has his good points about him....There have been worse
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Originally Posted by piyeIf Wlad is 'it' I don't want to get with it I'd rather stay in the past.Quote:
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Originally Posted by piye
What does having Lennox in my sig have to do with anything?......Lennox is an ATG...One of the top 5 HWTS ever.....But Lennox is not here is he?....:confused:
Nope just checked boxrec and nothing schedualed...Nothing on his website about a possible return.....
Get with it man...we have to deal with what we have...out of our current choices Wlad is the one...Vitaly has just returned and IMO the better fighter hands down but again he has just returned and I will wait to see if he really plans to stay around before getting too excited.....
Wlad can be a bit boring at times but he is improving...He is only 32...Lennox did not reach his max potential until he was 33-34....He has his good points about him....There have been worse
I can understand what your saying and I can understand how you feel...The guy is lacking in excitement....But when he does perform up to standars he excels....
If Wlad regained just a bit more self confidence he would be exciting all the time
I find it amusing that the Lennox Lewis supporters hate Wlad when they are basically similar styles of fighters. If Lewis is Ali then Wlad is Larry Holmes.....Wlad is the Rodney Dangerfield of heavyweight fighters, he gets no respect.
I think I may be the only guy here who has anything positive to say about Wlad and I am the biggest Lewis fan on this site hands down.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Don't know where you got Lewis is Ali?.....
Don't know where you think Lewis and Wlad are similar?...explain that one..
OK allow me to explain :drinker:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
#1: Manny Steward, trainer of both fighters
#2 Lennox Lewis was also considered EXTREMELY boring (only by the Tyson fans).
#3 I compared Lewis to Ali and Wlad to Holmes because Ali and Holmes had quasi-similar styles (as do Lewis and Wlad) and Ali overshaddowed Holmes' whole career and it seems as though Lewis will do the same to Wlad.
I think Wladimir can still be an all-time great fighter he's 31/32 and can prove a lot before he retires, he's already won 51 fights, 45 by KO he has fought enough people to where you know he has the skill to be great, sure he has been KO'd 3 times but hell there have been other greats who have been KO'd more times than that and it's not held against them.
I am of the opinion that "You don't know what you have until it's gone" and if Wlad retired tomorrow the heavyweight division (even WITH Vitali) would be in a bigger state of suck.
OK got ya now...Thought you were saying that people have compared Lewis to Ali and if that is the case then Wlad is another Larry Holmes....Was confused thinking "I never heard anyone compare Lewis to Ali"....I mis-understood...my mistake...Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOK allow me to explain :drinker:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
#1: Manny Steward, trainer of both fighters
#2 Lennox Lewis was also considered EXTREMELY boring (only by the Tyson fans).
#3 I compared Lewis to Ali and Wlad to Holmes because Ali and Holmes had quasi-similar styles (as do Lewis and Wlad) and Ali overshaddowed Holmes' whole career and it seems as though Lewis will do the same to Wlad.
I think Wladimir can still be an all-time great fighter he's 31/32 and can prove a lot before he retires, he's already won 51 fights, 45 by KO he has fought enough people to where you know he has the skill to be great, sure he has been KO'd 3 times but hell there have been other greats who have been KO'd more times than that and it's not held against them.
I am of the opinion that "You don't know what you have until it's gone" and if Wlad retired tomorrow the heavyweight division (even WITH Vitali) would be in a bigger state of suck.
Agreed on all of it now that I understand it....
Yes we would realize what we had in Wlad if he left tommorow...Just like those who did not appreciate Lewis until he retired...Wlad has rime to become the whole package...Like I stated in another post...Lewis did not reach peak until 33 or so and Wlad is still gettin better so I also agree on that.....the 3 KO's on Wlads record are not a disaster...I don't understand why people only focus on the negative abot him....Guess some are never satisfied:-\
The only thing between him and Lewis (As for the boring part which seems as though that was the biggest complaint on Lennox)..Is Lewis had a killer instinct and he was a great finisher...Had a KO% of over 70....and contrary to the non fans he had a solid chin...a vid on youtube shows some shots he absorbed in various bouts and they were thunderous.....