Refs who stop fights to early : The most annoying thing in boxing ?

Vargas-Tito was stoppe late IMO. no reason for Vargas to continue taking that punishment.

If you watch Judah Spinks II you will see Zab throws his arms up to the ref cause he didnt stop it. Zab had Spinks out on his feet stumbling around the ring.....finally zab went over and hit spinks with 3-4 blows and the ref jumped in...

after the fight zab said he saw spinks eyes were gone and didnt want to hurt him....

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Arthur Mercante Jr. let Diobelys Hurtado take eleven straight shots from Pernell Whitaker while he was caught in the ropes before he stopped the fight. Awful.

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And people thought Pernell had no power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfhLQ2QALW8

it starts at 8:02

the HBO announcers comparing it to the Peret fight :-\

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Originally Posted by denilson200

Maybe it's just a British thing but I'm sick of this. I just watched the Nicky Cook - Roman Martinez fight on the Amir Khan - Marco Antonio Barrera bill. Here was a world champion (Nicky Cook) defending his title for the 1st time on home soil. He gets knocked down (Not particularly heavily) twice yet the British referee, as per usual, panics and stops the fight after the 2nd knockdown. Watch the round again yourself and see if you agree with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuougNWrWWE
This is boxing !! It's not a tickling contest (Ricky Hatton 05). In fact it's not just here in the UK. I have seen a few examples in states, the most famous, the Kostya Tszyu Vs Zab Judah fight. A fighter should be given every chance, it only takes a while before a boxer clears his hand.

I remember the Manny Pacquiao - Juan Manuel Marquez fight. Marquez gets knocked down THREE times in the first round, BUT ref Joe Cortez lets it continue, Marquez recovers and goes on to give Pacquiao the closest fight of his life, earning a draw (Most people though he won) if that same fight was fought in the UK, the UK ref would have stopped it by the second knock down. I just think referees should think more, fighters get knocked down all the time in sparring sessions, they don't say “That's it, no more sparring today” they just pick themselves up and carry on. These referees just spoil boxing.

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You don't know much about boxing do you my man... To say something like "It only takes a while before a boxer clears his head" Is like saying

" as long as you obey traffic laws when drunk it is ok to drive"

Both rediclous statements that make no sense....

There is a difference between having to clear your head in a fight and being in a situation to get hurt....A fighter who may be rocked and needs to clear the cobwebs should be able to somewhat cover up, move around avoid any abuse or at minimum be in the right mind frame to hold for time.... If a fighter can not execute those and is hurt there will be no time to "Clear his head"...Because the other guy is going to kepp hitting him in it....

A fighter who gets knocked down has time to clear his head...

It is called a standing 8 count...That is what the rule was introduced for...Time to gather yourself and time for the ref to see if you are ok to continue...

If you think Zab Judah was OK to continue then you are sadly mistaken...the man was talking jibberish pointing to Nady then fell on his face again...Any fighter who falls twice from the same punchis hurt beyond being able to fight again....A puncher like Tszyu could put a man on life support if he was allowed to tee off on Judah in that state...

Better stop the fight early then late....Live to fight another day....Are there early stoppages yes of course Richard Steele was FAMOUS for them...

We bashed him, criticized him, made fun of him, he was booed when announced before a bout......

We also did not have to live with Steele's conciounce everyday having the weight of being the ref for Mancini/Kim either


PS I screwed up on Richard Steele is was Richard Green

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKWI5...om=PL&index=18

Here is a link to Judah/Spinks 2....Zab stops punching and starts talking to the ref while Spinks is weaving and stumbling about..Finally Zab walks over and finishes Spinks off with 3-4 shots.

Just watched it twice, and here's what I think:

Cook was really messed up and you can see he sort of stumbled a bit trying to get up after the 2nd knockdown. I think the ref saw that. When a fighter tries to get up and stumbles, it usually is a sign of significant disorientation, such that 10 seconds will not be sufficient for his recovery. One more blow and serious damage could occur.

I do think, however, that the ref should have asked Cook how he was, and should also have had Cook take a few steps forward towards him, before just waving his arms the micro-second after Cook got up, and to his credit he did beat the count.

The ref should have observed Cook for another 1-2 seconds AFTER he was up before calling it off.

If I were the ref I would have let it go more. But the ref was within his jurisdiction to rule as he did, due to the "knee-stumble" of Cook.

Although i consider this a borderline stoppage, i am all for the stoppage of the bleeding hearts further pussification of boxing. If you're too hurt to fight further stay on your ass and don't get up. Boxing is a man's sport so you little girly men go play with your skirts.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by denilson200

Maybe it's just a British thing but I'm sick of this. I just watched the Nicky Cook - Roman Martinez fight on the Amir Khan - Marco Antonio Barrera bill. Here was a world champion (Nicky Cook) defending his title for the 1st time on home soil. He gets knocked down (Not particularly heavily) twice yet the British referee, as per usual, panics and stops the fight after the 2nd knockdown. Watch the round again yourself and see if you agree with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuougNWrWWE
This is boxing !! It's not a tickling contest (Ricky Hatton 05). In fact it's not just here in the UK. I have seen a few examples in states, the most famous, the Kostya Tszyu Vs Zab Judah fight. A fighter should be given every chance, it only takes a while before a boxer clears his hand.

I remember the Manny Pacquiao - Juan Manuel Marquez fight. Marquez gets knocked down THREE times in the first round, BUT ref Joe Cortez lets it continue, Marquez recovers and goes on to give Pacquiao the closest fight of his life, earning a draw (Most people though he won) if that same fight was fought in the UK, the UK ref would have stopped it by the second knock down. I just think referees should think more, fighters get knocked down all the time in sparring sessions, they don't say “That's it, no more sparring today” they just pick themselves up and carry on. These referees just spoil boxing.

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You don't know much about boxing do you my man... To say something like "It only takes a while before a boxer clears his head" Is like saying

" as long as you obey traffic laws when drunk it is ok to drive"

Both rediclous statements that make no sense....

There is a difference between having to clear your head in a fight and being in a situation to get hurt....A fighter who may be rocked and needs to clear the cobwebs should be able to somewhat cover up, move around avoid any abuse or at minimum be in the right mind frame to hold for time.... If a fighter can not execute those and is hurt there will be no time to "Clear his head"...Because the other guy is going to kepp hitting him in it....

A fighter who gets knocked down has time to clear his head...

It is called a standing 8 count...That is what the rule was introduced for...Time to gather yourself and time for the ref to see if you are ok to continue...

If you think Zab Judah was OK to continue then you are sadly mistaken...the man was talking jibberish pointing to Nady then fell on his face again...Any fighter who falls twice from the same punchis hurt beyond being able to fight again....A puncher like Tszyu could put a man on life support if he was allowed to tee off on Judah in that state...

Better stop the fight early then late....Live to fight another day....Are there early stoppages yes of course Richard Steele was FAMOUS for them...

We bashed him, criticized him, made fun of him, he was booed when announced before a bout......

We also did not have to live with Steele's conciounce everyday having the weight of being the ref for Mancini/Kim either

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I think you mean Richard Green who later committed suicide (not too long after that tragic fight).

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Originally Posted by holmcall

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by denilson200

Maybe it's just a British thing but I'm sick of this. I just watched the Nicky Cook - Roman Martinez fight on the Amir Khan - Marco Antonio Barrera bill. Here was a world champion (Nicky Cook) defending his title for the 1st time on home soil. He gets knocked down (Not particularly heavily) twice yet the British referee, as per usual, panics and stops the fight after the 2nd knockdown. Watch the round again yourself and see if you agree with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuougNWrWWE
This is boxing !! It's not a tickling contest (Ricky Hatton 05). In fact it's not just here in the UK. I have seen a few examples in states, the most famous, the Kostya Tszyu Vs Zab Judah fight. A fighter should be given every chance, it only takes a while before a boxer clears his hand.

I remember the Manny Pacquiao - Juan Manuel Marquez fight. Marquez gets knocked down THREE times in the first round, BUT ref Joe Cortez lets it continue, Marquez recovers and goes on to give Pacquiao the closest fight of his life, earning a draw (Most people though he won) if that same fight was fought in the UK, the UK ref would have stopped it by the second knock down. I just think referees should think more, fighters get knocked down all the time in sparring sessions, they don't say “That's it, no more sparring today” they just pick themselves up and carry on. These referees just spoil boxing.

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You don't know much about boxing do you my man... To say something like "It only takes a while before a boxer clears his head" Is like saying

" as long as you obey traffic laws when drunk it is ok to drive"

Both rediclous statements that make no sense....

There is a difference between having to clear your head in a fight and being in a situation to get hurt....A fighter who may be rocked and needs to clear the cobwebs should be able to somewhat cover up, move around avoid any abuse or at minimum be in the right mind frame to hold for time.... If a fighter can not execute those and is hurt there will be no time to "Clear his head"...Because the other guy is going to kepp hitting him in it....

A fighter who gets knocked down has time to clear his head...

It is called a standing 8 count...That is what the rule was introduced for...Time to gather yourself and time for the ref to see if you are ok to continue...

If you think Zab Judah was OK to continue then you are sadly mistaken...the man was talking jibberish pointing to Nady then fell on his face again...Any fighter who falls twice from the same punchis hurt beyond being able to fight again....A puncher like Tszyu could put a man on life support if he was allowed to tee off on Judah in that state...

Better stop the fight early then late....Live to fight another day....Are there early stoppages yes of course Richard Steele was FAMOUS for them...

We bashed him, criticized him, made fun of him, he was booed when announced before a bout......

We also did not have to live with Steele's conciounce everyday having the weight of being the ref for Mancini/Kim either

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I think you mean Richard Green who later committed suicide (not too long after that tragic fight).

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Good catch don't know why I thought of steele in all that....Anyhow point the same...Green reffed Ali/Holmes too I think

im sure there was at least one early stopage that has saved a life.

One that stands out with an incompetent passive ref was Antonio Tarver vs.Eric Harding II....Tarver was absolutly beating Harding up & down,dropping him hard and was literally yelling at the referee to stop the fight.He rained shots on a bloddy Harding...stepped back and looked at the ref and raised his shoulders with the wtf look.The ref looked asleep and totally out of place

Finally when it was stopped....he whirled around and yelled at him again.He looked genuinly pizzed and or amazed.

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Originally Posted by TheChosenOne

im sure there was at least one early stopage that has saved a life.

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Steve Smoger may well have saved Sucre Ray Oliviera's life in his fight agaisn Augustus.

Sakio Bika's brawl with Jaidon Codrington is an example of a fight that was stopped at the right time.

You gotta be kidding me about the Cook/Martinez stoppage. It could have been stopped after the first KD, because he was clearly gone.

This was nothing like JMM/Pac. JMM got dropped, but got up with both legs under him and seemingly clear headed. This guy was wobbly and a 3rd UNNECESSARY knockdown was the only seconds away.

There is no way Cook -Martniz should have been stopped.