Where will you put Pac in the All-Time Greats?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by antimoron

there is one thing that pac has that the old timers doesn't have... 4 Fukking LINEAL WORLD TITLE.. Where will pac be in the all time list... he does not belong in the list coz no matter what he does he will not be given the right recognition that he deserve..

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What four lineal titles did he win?

Hatton 140
Barrera 126

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see this is what im talking about.. you don't recognize his win over Marquez at 130 Lineal title and the first recognise lineal title he has at 112 against bad ass sasakul of thailand..

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Originally Posted by antimoron

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by antimoron

there is one thing that pac has that the old timers doesn't have... 4 Fukking LINEAL WORLD TITLE.. Where will pac be in the all time list... he does not belong in the list coz no matter what he does he will not be given the right recognition that he deserve..

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What four lineal titles did he win?

Hatton 140
Barrera 126

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see this is what im talking about.. you don't recognize his win over Marquez at 130 Lineal title and the first recognise lineal title he has at 112 against bad ass sasakul of thailand..

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Hold up.. you're jumping to conclusions.

I can't remember why Marquez was the lineal 130 champ? And why was bad ass sasakul the 112 champ?

Hatton beat Kostya.
Barrera beat Naz.

People are throwing about 10 weight divisions and 7 championships, just want to see what's what, that's all. ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by antimoron

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Originally Posted by Fenster

What four lineal titles did he win?

Hatton 140
Barrera 126

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see this is what im talking about.. you don't recognize his win over Marquez at 130 Lineal title and the first recognise lineal title he has at 112 against bad ass sasakul of thailand..

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Hold up.. you're jumping to conclusions.

I can't remember why Marquez was the lineal 130 champ? And why was bad ass sasakul the 112 champ?

Hatton beat Kostya.
Barrera beat Naz.

People are throwing about 10 weight divisions and 7 championships, just want to see what's what, that's all. ;)

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Sasakul was no where near the Lineal champ. he wasn't even the best Flyweight of the div. Mar Too Sharp Johnson was the best.

I can only agree that he beat 2 lineal guys and JMM who was the best Super Feather. at that time.

Well lets not forget the age Pac was when he started i mean he was 16 thats the reason think he could start as low as he did at 106. But weight classes are different then they used to be there alot more of them now. I mean if you want to go off how much weight they moved up in there career then it would be Holyfeild for me he start at 175 and fought guys that were up to 246 and still managed to win the title off him as well. I mean that is a move up of about 69 pounds which i cant think of to many people to do that but i dont hear Evanders name anywear near Alis.

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Originally Posted by KKisser

i think talk of atg regarding manny should only be after he's finished with his career.

there's still pbf and jmm looming.

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Agree, let's see what the legacy is when he walks away. At the moment there are too many holes , we can say ODLH was washed up , Hatton was overated, JMM was too close to call.

One thing he does have in his favour, he doesn't duck anyone so has the chance to get some more big names to his credit.

At the moment , wouldn't be in my top 5.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by antimoron

see this is what im talking about.. you don't recognize his win over Marquez at 130 Lineal title and the first recognise lineal title he has at 112 against bad ass sasakul of thailand..

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Hold up.. you're jumping to conclusions.

I can't remember why Marquez was the lineal 130 champ? And why was bad ass sasakul the 112 champ?

Hatton beat Kostya.
Barrera beat Naz.

People are throwing about 10 weight divisions and 7 championships, just want to see what's what, that's all. ;)

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Sasakul was no where near the Lineal champ. he wasn't even the best Flyweight of the div. Mar Too Sharp Johnson was the best.

I can only agree that he beat 2 lineal guys and JMM who was the best Super Feather. at that time.

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Johnson was on a frigging tear no doubt.....Aka Sasakul knew he was not facing the same Arbachakov that had already beat him prior.No timing,lay off and hand prob did him in.Caught Yuri at the right time.