Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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Taeth
Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
well Collazo has a hell of a chin and the only time i've seen him down was against Hatton, and he wasn't seriously hurt, he knocked Vargas out cold with one single punch in the rematch, and also the Mayorga fight showed 2 things, he can KO you with a single punch and he has power the full 12 rounds
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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Fenster
I agree with Taeth.
When you consider Cotto doesn't have the greatest chin, Pac has the power and most importantly the speed to give him nightmares.
A year ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but now I would make Pac the favourite. Amazing. :-\
Cotto doesn't have a CHIN!!??
You must be joking. I have seen him rocked, too, but he has been in there with the biggest punchers of today and stood in the furnace! It's not like Margarito "caught him" with 1 shot. It's not like Mosley never had his moments in their fight... Everyone has landed some big shots, but nobody but plaster hands could finish him off.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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Taeth
Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
What fight were u watching?? You are WRONG! Mosley chased Cotto around the ring for all of the 9th round! Cotto was reeling. He happened to land some counter shots when Mosley was rushing in, and that was all that saved him. If Mosley had taken his time coming in when he had him hurt, the story would have been different.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
I don't see this fight being made before Manny-Floyd. Like people already said this is just Arum starting negotiations on the Manny-Floyd money split.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
Last time I check, speed still kill.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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Taeth
Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
What fight were u watching?? You are WRONG! Mosley chased Cotto around the ring for all of the 9th round! Cotto was reeling. He happened to land some counter shots when Mosley was rushing in, and that was all that saved him. If Mosley had taken his time coming in when he had him hurt, the story would have been different.
The same one that I've seen 40 times, Cotto was already moving around before the time he was allegedly hurt from Mosley because he had a hard time breathing with blood in his mouth. Cotto even stated later he decided to box so he wouldn't get caught with anything big. He wasn't badly hurt, Watch the Corley or Torres fight, or even against Judah and you will see Cotto hurt, that slip was just that, A slip. How about you actually watch the fight and see Mosley slip in that exact same spot.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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Fenster
I agree with Taeth.
When you consider Cotto doesn't have the greatest chin, Pac has the power and most importantly the speed to give him nightmares.
A year ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but now I would make Pac the favourite. Amazing. :-\
Cotto doesn't have a CHIN!!??
You must be joking. I have seen him rocked, too, but he has been in there with the biggest punchers of today and stood in the furnace! It's not like Margarito "caught him" with 1 shot. It's not like Mosley never had his moments in their fight... Everyone has landed some big shots, but nobody but plaster hands could finish him off.
Nobody said Cotto doesn't have achin, he just said he doesn't have the greatest chin, which he doesn't. Live with it.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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Taeth
Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
well Collazo has a hell of a chin and the only time i've seen him down was against Hatton, and he wasn't seriously hurt, he knocked Vargas out cold with one single punch in the rematch, and also the Mayorga fight showed 2 things, he can KO you with a single punch and he has power the full 12 rounds
Like against Hatton, Collazo was caught off balance when Mosley landed that punch, Collazo didn't seem hurt by that shot. IMO the only time I've seen COllazo hurt is when Berto stunned him with a body shot in the 12th round.
Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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JonnyFolds
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Fenster
I agree with Taeth.
When you consider Cotto doesn't have the greatest chin, Pac has the power and most importantly the speed to give him nightmares.
A year ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but now I would make Pac the favourite. Amazing. :-\
Cotto doesn't have a CHIN!!??
You must be joking. I have seen him rocked, too, but he has been in there with the biggest punchers of today and stood in the furnace! It's not like Margarito "caught him" with 1 shot. It's not like Mosley never had his moments in their fight... Everyone has landed some big shots, but nobody but plaster hands could finish him off.
Torres tagged him pretty good too.
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:-\ I dont want to play this game haha ;D Ive already said dela hoya is way too big and already said hatton would be too big and strong...the prick has proven me wrong every single time. Cottos chin aint granite and it pacs power and speed might be enough to make cotto weary and could cause him to be gun shy leading to a pac victory by tko. Its just too hard to say now, pac just looks so god damn small but the cunt can punch.
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Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?
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Taeth
No way, but is Pacquiao too fast for Cotto, yes. It doesn't matter how big Cotto is if he doesn't have the footspeed to catch Pacman. Pacquiao still has more than enough power to hurt Cotto. I can't believe people still haven't learned that yet on here :/.
Exactly what i think. How many time did PAC destroyed a supposedly bigger and stronger man?
He's speed is lethal he doesnt use it for defensive purposes but for attacking and destroying opponents. Cotto is bigger but will he able to avoid the onslaught that pac is gonna dish on him with those blinding combinations?
If the left cross that Corley( less than 148lbs ) landed on Cotto (Almost 160lbs) made miguel's legs looks like spaghetti..How would the same punch ( See Hatton fight) do to miguel?
at 148 (fight night) PAC still look muscled ( Look at the pic where pac went to hatton). 150 to 152 wont affect him that much.
I think Pac can win this.
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Taeth
No way, but is Pacquiao too fast for Cotto, yes. It doesn't matter how big Cotto is if he doesn't have the footspeed to catch Pacman. Pacquiao still has more than enough power to hurt Cotto. I can't believe people still haven't learned that yet on here :/.
Exactly what i think. How many time did PAC destroyed a supposedly bigger and stronger man?
He's speed is lethal he doesnt use it for defensive purposes but for attacking and destroying opponents. Cotto is bigger but will he able to avoid the onslaught that pac is gonna dish on him with those blinding combinations?
If the left cross that Corley( less than 148lbs ) landed on Cotto (Almost 160lbs) made miguel's legs looks like spaghetti..How would the same punch ( See Hatton fight) do to miguel?
at 148 (fight night) PAC still look muscled ( Look at the pic where pac went to hatton). 150 to 152 wont affect him that much.
I think Pac can win this.
it became obvious after the Malignaggi fight, that Cotto would get wobbled so bad at 140 mainly cause he was killing himself to make the weight, not so much that he had a bad chin, Torres turned out to be one of if not the most explosive puncher at the weight, IMO it's Bailey, but i'd have Torres and Urango in my top 3 as far as power punchers are concerned
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if thay fight at 140 pacman wins.
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if thay fight at 140 pacman wins.
no way Cotto goes down to 140