Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
Holt was ko'ed by Torres and won the second fight because of a huge head collision that landed right on Ricardo's chin. No offense but Pacquiao KTFO out of by far the best 140 pounder in 2 rounds. Hatton was better than Bradley(or was before getting badly ko'ed), was far better than Holt.
Only Guzman IMO has more talent than Hatton and I don't think Pacquiao should fight him before facing actual credible p4p opponents like MOsley, Cotto, Mayweather, and obviously Marquez. Bradley, Holt, and Guzman have not come close to stepping up to the top of the game, none of them have really meaningful wins like Mayweather got against De La Hoya, or Cotto against Mosley or PAcquiao against Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Hoya, and Hatton. I'm not saying Guzman isn't elite talent because he is, but the rest aren't.
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
but they ARE the TOP fighters in his weight class, so if he's gonna continue to fight at 140, he might as well fight the best in his weight class, instead of calling out fighters to come down and fight him while NOT at their best, and David Diaz is hardly an elite fighter now isn't he?!?
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
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ElTerribleMorales
instead of calling out fighters to come down and fight him while NOT at their best, and David Diaz is hardly an elite fighter now isn't he?!?
will you stop sayin this. as far as i know pacyeoww hasnt called out any of the welterweights out maybe except for floyd which i thought i've read here or on another forum just recently. they mentioned mosley and cotto as potential opponents but that's hardly calling them out.
GO JMM!
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
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ElTerribleMorales
instead of calling out fighters to come down and fight him while NOT at their best, and David Diaz is hardly an elite fighter now isn't he?!?
will you stop sayin this. as far as i know pacyeoww hasnt called out any of the welterweights out maybe except for floyd which i thought i've read here or on another forum just recently. they mentioned mosley and cotto as potential opponents but that's hardly calling them out.
GO JMM!
Roach and Manny both made it know that they want either fight, but don't want to step back up to 147
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
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ElTerribleMorales
instead of calling out fighters to come down and fight him while NOT at their best, and David Diaz is hardly an elite fighter now isn't he?!?
will you stop sayin this. as far as i know pacyeoww hasnt called out any of the welterweights out maybe except for floyd which i thought i've read here or on another forum just recently. they mentioned mosley and cotto as potential opponents but that's hardly calling them out.
GO JMM!
Roach and Manny both made it know that they want either fight, but don't want to step back up to 147
I think that is a very poor understanding of Team Pacquiao's position on making a deal for Pacquiao's next fight.
They make it known, they will taking a look at making a deal with one of a few top welterweights but if they want the fight they have to meet him at a catch weight and agree to the purse split.
There are some obvious advantages for team Pacquiao at the negotiating table. They can easily walk away from the table for another match and consequently they can command the higher split of the purse. Pretty much dictate all the major terms of the fight.
Given what is stated above, having leverage over the meeting weight, why would they not want to use that leverage? Wouldn't it be foolish not to?
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
They might have more leverage but if Pac is too small to fight the top welterweights at their natural weight then he should fight the top 140 pounders. I sure don't agree with everything Floyd does but if he used these tactics he would be ridiculed and accused of trying to stack the deck in his favor.
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
Catchweight or not Mosely has the upperhand here in sheer size alone. I actually think that PAC has a better chance of beating PBF than beating the powerful Shane, Oh well:-\
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
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P4PChamp
They might have more leverage but if Pac is too small to fight the top welterweights at their natural weight then he should fight the top 140 pounders. I sure don't agree with everything Floyd does but if he used these tactics he would be ridiculed and accused of trying to stack the deck in his favor.
What planet are you from? Are you an absolute idiot? He did exactly that making a deal with Marquez. He forced Marquez to meet him at a higher catch weight and is being ridiculed and accused of stacking the deck in his favor. Mayweather picked what they thought is the fighter with the least risk and highest return. For Pacquiao, the 147 fighters are the mega bouts not the 140's, the risks are higher for him at 147 and they are just trying to even it out a little more.
Gaining a size advantage. It's not something unfair, it's just part of the game.
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
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ElTerribleMorales
but they ARE the TOP fighters in his weight class, so if he's gonna continue to fight at 140, he might as well fight the best in his weight class, instead of calling out fighters to come down and fight him while NOT at their best, and David Diaz is hardly an elite fighter now isn't he?!?
why can't you and other wrap your ahead around weightclasses mean nothing, who cares about that. Its always been more important to fight the best fighters. Being p4p#1 means you fight the best possible guy available for you in any weightclass that is reasonable. Pacquiao is doing that.
People have were bitching that Manny was ducking Barrera in a second fight, well he made that fight, then that he was ducking Marquez, and he made that fight. People thought he was just looking for money against De La Hoya, then he destroyed him. Then people thought he was pussieing out of fighting Hatton because of financial disputes, but look what happened there. Pacquiao and Mayweather have given us the fights we've wanted at one point or another, its just a matter of time, they can't fighting everybody at once, I am sure if Manny doesn't retire should he beat the winner of Mayweather-Marquez and/or Mosley/Cotto he may face Bradley or Guzman should they become legitimate p4p elites.
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
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P4PChamp
They might have more leverage but if Pac is too small to fight the top welterweights at their natural weight then he should fight the top 140 pounders. I sure don't agree with everything Floyd does but if he used these tactics he would be ridiculed and accused of trying to stack the deck in his favor.
What planet are you from? Are you an absolute idiot? He did exactly that making a deal with Marquez. He forced Marquez to meet him at a higher catch weight and is being ridiculed and accused of stacking the deck in his favor. Mayweather picked what they thought is the fighter with the least risk and highest return. For Pacquiao, the 147 fighters are the mega bouts not the 140's, the risks are higher for him at 147 and they are just trying to even it out a little more.
Gaining a size advantage. It's not something unfair, it's just part of the game.
If he has to even out the playing field then he should be at 140. If he wants to fight the best welters then he needs to fight them at their best otherwise he gets little credit from people that are not fanboys like yourself. I would say him and Floyd are both cherry pickers and you can't say that one of them is without saying the other is also. They just go about it a little differently in their cherry picking. I agree JMM is hand picked by Floyd even though Marquez sort of called Mayweather out on HBO, but let's see how Floyd does against him. He gave Pac fits and I thought JMM won the second fight.
I will say that at least Floyd didn't force Dela Hoya to come down to 147 to fight him at a weight he hadn't made in a decade, he conceded almost everything in their fight and it was at 154. Pac had no problem fighting the CORPSE of Oscar at 147, but when he might have to fight a live body he wants to get a little weight drain advantage going on. Pac gets no credit from me for beating Hoya. I give him some props for fighting Hatton who was considered a top Jr. WW at the time, but had seen better days IMO. Hatton has no defense, his offense is his defense and since he kept his hands about chest level the whole fight and charged in recklessly in got KOed. I personally thought he would do better, so again credit to Pac, he did what he had to do.
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
This is the way winning or losing works:
W_ : L
1 <---
Means the fighter with the "W" gets the credit.
W_ : L
---> 1
Means the fighter with the "L" gets no credit.
Everything else is just an opinion.
Your opinion evidently is that if a smaller fighter beats a bigger fighter he gets no credit because he has to lose a couple more pounds or perhaps this only applies to Pacquiao? Well... I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Re: Pacquiao "not interested" in Cotto or Mosley, only Floyd or Marquez
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This is the way winning or losing works:
W_ : L
1 <---
Means the fighter with the "W" gets the credit.
W_ : L
---> 1
Means the fighter with the "L" gets no credit.
Everything else is just an opinion.
Your opinion evidently is that if a smaller fighter beats a bigger fighter he gets no credit because he has to lose a couple more pounds or perhaps this only applies to Pacquiao? Well... I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Negative, I think ANY smaller fighter should get more credit for beating a bigger fighter if he can move up and beat him at his best! Yeah, Pac got the win against Oscar and it does go in the W column, but the 1999 version of him would have beat Pac. Y'know the one that could still let his hands go, had good reflexes, could still make the weight. He was a shell of himself just as a fighter not to mention having to make 147 when they fought. But then again in that scenario the fight would never have been contested at that weight. Roach would have demanded 143 or something like that. I just think Pac gets too much credit for the win. People only remember the marque name that he beat not any of the intangibles that surrounded the win. Roach knew what he was doing and I give him the most credit for being shrewd.
The point is/was, he had no problem fighting Oscar at that weight but with anyone else thats got a heartbeat they want a catch weight. I wasn't around for the boxing days of yesteryear when champions moved up to try to win multiple world championships, but I would highly doubt they did all this catch weight negotiation stuff. A good big man will almost always beat a good small man. Do you really believe Oscar was a good big man
that night? You are correct, we are all entitled to our opinions. That is why this is called a forum.
