Article: Russia and China warn US that an Israeli attack on Iran means world war...

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Maybe if Americans didn't wet the bed over things like Saddam and his fearsome weapons of mass destruction and their government go off and kill a million Iraqis then Middle Eastern people would feel less inclined to fly planes into buildings. They've had fifty years of miserable repression at the hands of the US, maybe if they hadn't had that it's unlikely that they'd be so upset. If North Carolina had been transported into Jordan, for instance, one of the nastiest secret police states over there and one whose regime is propped up by US military/security/diplomatic aid for half a century now, but we change "US" to say Iranian or Pakistani, how would you feel if your rulers were doing the exact opposite of what you wanted at the behest and control of the Iranians/Pakistanis?

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We're just protecting our Allies as we always have done....we eventually came to the aid of France and England, but Germany and Italy didn't go suicide bombing us afterwards. We totally flattened Japan but they took it and now look at them, they are our good buddies!

Here are some words for the people of Iran, and any other country that loves posturing against the US...GROW UP, we're the super power, so you have oil and you feel used because everyone is paying you millions of dollars to take it off your hands, oh boo fucking hoo. I would say when life hands you lemons make lemonade but Jesus, life has handed you a never ending supply of oil which you can use to become rich as hell and yet all you do is suicide bomb innocent people....WTF??? There are many more fun things to do with money other than build bombs and start wars.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Maybe if Americans didn't wet the bed over things like Saddam and his fearsome weapons of mass destruction and their government go off and kill a million Iraqis then Middle Eastern people would feel less inclined to fly planes into buildings. They've had fifty years of miserable repression at the hands of the US, maybe if they hadn't had that it's unlikely that they'd be so upset. If North Carolina had been transported into Jordan, for instance, one of the nastiest secret police states over there and one whose regime is propped up by US military/security/diplomatic aid for half a century now, but we change "US" to say Iranian or Pakistani, how would you feel if your rulers were doing the exact opposite of what you wanted at the behest and control of the Iranians/Pakistanis?

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We're just protecting our Allies as we always have done....we eventually came to the aid of France and England, but Germany and Italy didn't go suicide bombing us afterwards. We totally flattened Japan but they took it and now look at them, they are our good buddies!

Here are some words for the people of Iran, and any other country that loves posturing against the US...GROW UP, we're the super power, so you have oil and you feel used because everyone is paying you millions of dollars to take it off your hands, oh boo fucking hoo. I would say when life hands you lemons make lemonade but Jesus, life has handed you a never ending supply of oil which you can use to become rich as hell and yet all you do is suicide bomb innocent people....WTF??? There are many more fun things to do with money other than build bombs and start wars.

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So says the spokesman of the nation that seems to have been in more wars than any other since WW2. All America seems to do is build nuclear weapons and start wars. Pot calling kettle black....;D

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Damn this is quite scary and also in a way exciting news.

According to the Bible, this age will end after the formation of the One World Order and then the inevitable turning on Israel by every nation of the world.

In Revelation it talks of the Euphrates river being damned up and an army of 200 Million marching on Israel.

for almost one hundred years biblical scholars have been saying this will be the Chinese.

Also it then says when the armies surround Israel a massive explosion occurs, that those surrounding the city have their eyeballs melt in their sockets, that one third of mankind is killed and that the leaders of men hide in caves.

This nucluear war has been predicted even for the past 2000 years.

If you think I'm being far fetched as usual, consider also that the exact date of the refounding of Israel, in 1948 was predicted by scholars as early as the 1800's.

EVERYTHING in the Bible is coming true exactly as it says it would.

It's some scary shit to be sure, but also exciting that those of us alive now could be alive to witness the end of the ages.

We're hurtling towards the last days now.

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I am also thinking the same thing Bilbo. If the Bible had prophesied it, then it's bound to happen.:cool:

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Originally Posted by miles

So says the spokesman of the nation that seems to have been in more wars than any other since WW2. All America seems to do is build nuclear weapons and start wars. Pot calling kettle black....;D

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Is it our fault we have so many Allies?

As for nukes, we're responsible with our toys, Iran doesn't play nice...we very well could nuke whoever goes against us, but we're the good guys and countries like Iran, North Korea, and anyone else who wants to be a loudmouth keep needling us, it makes it hard to be nice...in all honesty I think we've been extremely patient and responsible with our foreign policy in regards to wars.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by miles

So says the spokesman of the nation that seems to have been in more wars than any other since WW2. All America seems to do is build nuclear weapons and start wars. Pot calling kettle black....;D

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Is it our fault we have so many Allies?

As for nukes, we're responsible with our toys, Iran doesn't play nice...we very well could nuke whoever goes against us, but we're the good guys and countries like Iran, North Korea, and anyone else who wants to be a loudmouth keep needling us, it makes it hard to be nice...in all honesty I think we've been extremely patient and responsible with our foreign policy in regards to wars.

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Just bomb the North Koreans and get it over with. It's the only country that annoys me less that South Korea. :o;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by miles

So says the spokesman of the nation that seems to have been in more wars than any other since WW2. All America seems to do is build nuclear weapons and start wars. Pot calling kettle black....;D

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Is it our fault we have so many Allies?

As for nukes, we're responsible with our toys, Iran doesn't play nice...we very well could nuke whoever goes against us, but we're the good guys and countries like Iran, North Korea, and anyone else who wants to be a loudmouth keep needling us, it makes it hard to be nice...in all honesty I think we've been extremely patient and responsible with our foreign policy in regards to wars.

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Well, I could name a lot of places where US didn't play nice at all and did overthrow some democratic regimes because it did serve their interests... Consider that in the past 50 years, the US has been the country that was involved in the biggest number of wars too, more than often where they didn't belong just to serve their interests. Also, it's not because you have the power to nuke somebody that you can do so, the system of international relationships is a bit more complicated than that Lyle.

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Originally Posted by CGM

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by CGM

Because we are certain that we know all of the nuke specialists that are on the Iranian payroll?

Anyways, by "we" I assume you mean western governments by virtue of their association with the IAEA.

OK, you've made your point, I don't quite share your confidence in our ability to keep on knowing all the salient facts. But your logic based on these premises is solid.When it comes to consensus, that's as far as I can go.

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Yes, we do. We know everything about every person who studies nuclear technology in the few western universities that teach the really important stuff, both our own and foreign citizens, and those people all get tracked throughout their careers wherever they go.

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right ok, you are certain that we know everything there is to know about the world's supply of uranium, and furthermore we know everything worth knowing about everybody who is working in the field of nuclear technology. I can't believe you are serious. Go ahead and believe it if you want, but don't be too surprised if more than a few people don't fall for this politically motivated horseshit.

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There are only a small number of scientists in the world with the knowledge to build nuclear weapons. The knowledge is carefully controlled and restricted to people that the western security services know all about. Every single person with that knowledge is carefully monitored throughout their career and they can only get that knowledge by their country having signed the non-proliferation treaty, which puts huge conditions and regulations on any country signing it. Like Iran! Iran signed the nonproliferation traty and that's how we know all their nuclear scientists, have been monitoring their nuclear programme since it started, etc. And they still haven't done a single thing that they're not allowed to do under the terms of that treaty! They still haven't broken it! All the scare stories rely on them breaking the terms of the treaty they signed and they haven't shown any signs of doing that.

Here's somebody else who isn't falling for the politically motivated horseshit, the US intelligence community. Here's the latest US intel estimate on Iran and theydon't think Iran are trying to build a bomb either.

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

They say Iran stopped any programme to build a weapon in 2003.

ere's an American intel guy making the same point recently :

Official stands by Iran nuke report - Washington Times

So the politically motivated bs is coming from people claiming Iran is a threat.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Maybe if Americans didn't wet the bed over things like Saddam and his fearsome weapons of mass destruction and their government go off and kill a million Iraqis then Middle Eastern people would feel less inclined to fly planes into buildings. They've had fifty years of miserable repression at the hands of the US, maybe if they hadn't had that it's unlikely that they'd be so upset. If North Carolina had been transported into Jordan, for instance, one of the nastiest secret police states over there and one whose regime is propped up by US military/security/diplomatic aid for half a century now, but we change "US" to say Iranian or Pakistani, how would you feel if your rulers were doing the exact opposite of what you wanted at the behest and control of the Iranians/Pakistanis?

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We're just protecting our Allies as we always have done....we eventually came to the aid of France and England, but Germany and Italy didn't go suicide bombing us afterwards. We totally flattened Japan but they took it and now look at them, they are our good buddies!

Here are some words for the people of Iran, and any other country that loves posturing against the US...GROW UP, we're the super power, so you have oil and you feel used because everyone is paying you millions of dollars to take it off your hands, oh boo fucking hoo. I would say when life hands you lemons make lemonade but Jesus, life has handed you a never ending supply of oil which you can use to become rich as hell and yet all you do is suicide bomb innocent people....WTF??? There are many more fun things to do with money other than build bombs and start wars.

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You weren't protecting any allies when you overthrew a democratically elected secular government in Iran in 1953 and propped a dictator up there till 1979. You're not protecting any allies by propping up all the current Arab dictators, you're maintaining control of the region's oil.


life has handed you a never ending supply of oil which you can use to become rich as hell and yet all you do is suicide bomb innocent people....WTF??? There are many more fun things to do with money other than build bombs and start wars.

Other than the word "suicide" this is a good description of the situation in America.

Man I sure am glad I have this forum so I can have people who are not US citizens, don't live here and don't vote for our leaders tell me on a regular basis what a crappy country I live in and how they really know what is best for my nation.

We have a right to bear arms!
That means we have a right to sell the old shit and then try out the new shit on the idots that bought the old shit from us.

Its a win win so far. We win , :spongebob: hey great we won again!

Wonder how many more single wins we got, until they all gang up on us?

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Man I sure am glad I have this forum so I can have people who are not US citizens, don't live here and don't vote for our leaders tell me on a regular basis what a crappy country I live in and how they really know what is best for my nation.

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Does one really need a US passport, a US residence and a redundant vote to make an informed decision about US society and politics? Surely there are huge swathes of US people with those "qualifications" who are totally ignorant about the important historical evolution US foreign policy and the party poltical system. In this regard a great number of "ousiders" are probably far more qualified to pass judgement on the US.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion about something no matter where they are from, just as long as it is an informed opinion.

Opinions are like assholes Miles...everyone has them...But if it makes you feel better I will start making daily posts about what piece of shit country the UK is and how if you'd just listen to me and some other "informed" Americans you could really turn it around. I pointed out not being a citizen, living here or voting b/c that makes you a non factor and the 300 million of us that are here don't give a shit what you think much like the entire UK would feel about any "informed" American espousing their opinions.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Opinions are like assholes Miles...everyone has them...But if it makes you feel better I will start making daily posts about what piece of shit country the UK is and how if you'd just listen to me and some other "informed" Americans you could really turn it around. I pointed out not being a citizen, living here or voting b/c that makes you a non factor and the 300 million of us that are here don't give a shit what you think much like the entire UK would feel about any "informed" American espousing their opinions.

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Yep, everyone has them....

You could start criticising the UK and saying how shit it is....but I would probably only agree with you. I have no issues with people commenting on my country for good or bad. In fact, I like to hear opinions and the opinions of outsiders are just as interesting to me as those who own that cherished purple passport. Whether they can vote or not really has no bearing on the issue. And even those with the cherished passports are typically too lazy to vote anyway....and are probably so dull and apathetic that don't really have much of an opinion to listen to. Give me the informed outsiders over the uninformed insiders anyday! :D

what has happened to Von Milash?

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

what has happened to Von Milash?

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Was in the Middle East negotiating peace last I heard.