Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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brucelee
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Whats wrong with what VD said?
Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.
In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.
VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.
SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X
Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)
but you could also use that argument in pac's case. pac ko'ed hatton in 2 rounds while pbf did that only in 10. pac ko'ed hoya in 9, while pbf only won by sd.
pac won against jmm with a sd. don't care what the majority says on that. boxing has always been a subjective sport, like it or not. plus it's on paper.pbf won a ud but it was evident that he was the bigger man during the fight, probably on fight night he is 15 pound heavier. notice how he did'nt even buge when jmm caught him cleanly and only smiled? smart as pbf thinks he is there would always be criticisms. and one of them are the things i mentioned. who the hell have the say for a higher purse then? hard as it would be , i still think arum will find a way for their demands to converge. and it will be a closed door deal just to please both parties.
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
floyd doesn't seem to like to talk about pac much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYLi0bWL7VE
he said its not about the money now and its about the love of the sport.
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
If Pac beats Cotto the fight will definatly happen due to the high demand. Pac/PBF would do INSANE numbers.
I still say PBF will knock out or stop Pac before 9.
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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No, i'm afraid you're wrong.
Mayweather's numbers against the same opponents are better. Oscar/Hatton were the reasons for the majority of viewership in their fights with Mayweather, but they were also the reason for the majority of viewership in their fights with Pacquiao. The only difference is their fights with Mayweather sold better than their fights with Pacquiao.
Again, i'm not debating who is more entertaining. I agree, to myself, Pacquiao is more entertaining. I'm talking purely from a business stand point. In business, things like p4p rankings hold no weight. In business all that matters is the bottom line. What matters is who sells more and at this point Mayweather does. He is also more popular in the USA.
In order for Pacquiao to get the money he wants, he will have to do great numbers with Cotto. Not just solid numbers or good numbers, he will have to do great.
I just don't see, from a business stand point, how Arum can ask for 50%. And if Pacquiao's fight against Cotto sells less than Mayweather/Marquez, he'll be lucky to get a 60/40 split.
Do you have the numbers to back up your claims? Again, not saying one fighter is overwhelmingly more popular than the other...but i think Pac is at least on par with Floyd. Not to mention Pac's popularity is steadily rising. IF HE BEATS Cotto...Floyd will not have the upper hand in the negotiations. Story lines sell...and right now Pac is like David vs. Goliath. He beat physically "bigger" fighters in Hatton, Delahoya, and maybe Cotto. Floyd's last win came over the undersized Marquez. Pac is just riding the bigger wave...and it will only get bigger if he beats Cotto.
If Pacquiao wins, even in dominating fashion, but the fight doesn't sell, no he will not have the upperhand in contractual dealings. I'm not saying he won't get the split because Arum is a smart businessman, i'm just saying Mayweather's people will have the leverage while negotiating
It's simple math. The bigger monetary draw recieves the lions share of the money. When the numbers are posted side by side, as I will post now since you asked, Mayweather is easily the bigger monetary draw. Not only the bigger draw but also the bigger star on US soil.
Here are the numbers
Pay Per View Sales:
Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 2.4 million
Pacquiao: 1.2 million
Vs. Marquez
Mayweather: 1.0 million
Pacquiao: 400K
Vs Hatton
Mayweather: 950K
Pacquiao: 825K
Total:
Mayweather: 4,35 million
Pacquiao: 2.43 million
Other Opponents
Mayweather vs Baldomir: 325K
Pacquiao vs Diaz: 175K
Mayweather vs Judah: 390K
Pacquiao vs Barrera: 350K
Box Office Sales:
Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 17,078 attendance; $18.4 million revenue
(the record)
Pacquiao: 14,468 attendance; $14.4 million revenue
Vs. Marquez:
Mayweather: 13,116 attendance
Pacquiao: 11,061 attendance
Vs Hatton:
Mayweather: 15,488 attendance; $10.4 million revenue
Pacquiao: 15,368 attendance, $8.8 million revenue
Thanks for posting the numbers...i stand corrected. But i still feel Pac's popularity is increasing at a dramatic rate. If he pulls off a win over Cotto...it will be difficult for Floyd to play hardball. Floyd can quote the numbers all he wants...but with a win over Cotto...Pac clearly cements his status as pfp champ. Whether it's valid or not...with a win over Cotto...the major perception will be that Pac is the little man who is beating the big guys.
