Re: If it was Mayweather, not Tszyu in the ring that night in Manchester.....
Mayweather still wins.
Ricks tactics were based on closing the distance quickly and nullifying Tszyus right hand. If anything, Floyd is better at going backwards and I'm certain he'd of picked Ricky off at will. That said, Rick had a world class chin that night, so I'd give it to Mayweather on points, rather than the stoppage he later achieved over Rick in Vegas.
Re: If it was Mayweather, not Tszyu in the ring that night in Manchester.....
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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.
seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.
would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK
SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.
Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!
ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)
You are trippin, 90,% of Tszyus fans took it on the chin like he did. Some made excuses but we all know what I said above is true.Ricky did a great job on him, the only way he could of done the job.(And Im a big Tszyu fan).
The whinging pom thing started in Australia very early on mainly because of the weather out here and many people fresh off the ship in the wrong season thought they had stepped off into hell and didnt shut up about how good it was at home.
The Mediterraneans that came here off the same ships were used to such beatings off the sun already and just got out there and dug the fields made a fortune and called it home, so unfortunatley us poms that migrated out here early got a bad rap and it stuck.
They thought we were dirty pigs too, cause we only knew to have a bath once a week and knew no different until a week of wicked weather hit even then some didnt learn fast enough.
Cause out here you have to shower it off once a day minimum in between swimming with the sharks and drinking very cold piss (beer) wearing a large hat and keeping your mouth shut to conserve moisture and keep the flies out, so you see winging doesnt suit the climate or the local toleraters tolerance levels.
guess the third man must be part of that 10pct then.....
nwonder the brits getting off the boat used to miss home, most of them were po risoners!
Does anyone know if Tszyu had a rematch clause in his contract? It would seem strange for a top fighter to fight a relatively unknown fighter without this.
Well if i was a convict in the 18th or 19th century and i had a choice between English weather and English food or the beaches of Bondi or the Great Barrier Reef then i would be fessing up to being Dick Turpin just to get out here!
10% of something or all of nothing i am prone to say, Tszyu gave a lot of concessions to Hatton in 2005, far to many IMO. Not sure about a rematch clause, i guess there was one, but remember Tszyu sufferred bruising on the brain after this fight. He was never going to fight again after losing to Hatton. It was an outstanding performance by Hatton that night, he had some help, he won and we all move forward. Hatton has never been the same since.
Re: If it was Mayweather, not Tszyu in the ring that night in Manchester.....
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You are trippin, 90,% of Tszyus fans took it on the chin like he did. Some made excuses but we all know what I said above is true.Ricky did a great job on him, the only way he could of done the job.(And Im a big Tszyu fan).
The whinging pom thing started in Australia very early on mainly because of the weather out here and many people fresh off the ship in the wrong season thought they had stepped off into hell and didnt shut up about how good it was at home.
The Mediterraneans that came here off the same ships were used to such beatings off the sun already and just got out there and dug the fields made a fortune and called it home, so unfortunatley us poms that migrated out here early got a bad rap and it stuck.
They thought we were dirty pigs too, cause we only knew to have a bath once a week and knew no different until a week of wicked weather hit even then some didnt learn fast enough.
Cause out here you have to shower it off once a day minimum in between swimming with the sharks and drinking very cold piss (beer) wearing a large hat and keeping your mouth shut to conserve moisture and keep the flies out, so you see winging doesnt suit the climate or the local toleraters tolerance levels.
guess the third man must be part of that 10pct then.....
nwonder the brits getting off the boat used to miss home, most of them were po risoners!
Does anyone know if Tszyu had a rematch clause in his contract? It would seem strange for a top fighter to fight a relatively unknown fighter without this.
Well if i was a convict in the 18th or 19th century and i had a choice between English weather and English food or the beaches of Bondi or the Great Barrier Reef then i would be fessing up to being Dick Turpin just to get out here!
10% of something or all of nothing i am prone to say, Tszyu gave a lot of concessions to Hatton in 2005, far to many IMO. Not sure about a rematch clause, i guess there was one, but remember Tszyu sufferred bruising on the brain after this fight. He was never going to fight again after losing to Hatton. It was an outstanding performance by Hatton that night, he had some help, he won and we all move forward. Hatton has never been the same since.
I agree to a certain extent, Hatton would of been the most motivated in his whole career that night even more so than the Mayweather fight imo, he was a man possesed who had Dave Paris under strict instructions ( I actully dont think the refs performance was nearly as bad as some people say on here )
Hatton has never been top top quality and like you say had everything in his favour that night and took them advantages and did very well and from that single performacne he was become a multi millionaire and househild name and had a very good career.
Mayweather would of beat him comfortably.
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guess the third man must be part of that 10pct then.....
nwonder the brits getting off the boat used to miss home, most of them were po risoners!
Does anyone know if Tszyu had a rematch clause in his contract? It would seem strange for a top fighter to fight a relatively unknown fighter without this.
Well if i was a convict in the 18th or 19th century and i had a choice between English weather and English food or the beaches of Bondi or the Great Barrier Reef then i would be fessing up to being Dick Turpin just to get out here!
10% of something or all of nothing i am prone to say, Tszyu gave a lot of concessions to Hatton in 2005, far to many IMO. Not sure about a rematch clause, i guess there was one, but remember Tszyu sufferred bruising on the brain after this fight. He was never going to fight again after losing to Hatton. It was an outstanding performance by Hatton that night, he had some help, he won and we all move forward. Hatton has never been the same since.
I agree to a certain extent, Hatton would of been the most motivated in his whole career that night even more so than the Mayweather fight imo, he was a man possesed who had Dave Paris under strict instructions ( I actully dont think the refs performance was nearly as bad as some people say on here )
Hatton has never been top top quality and like you say had everything in his favour that night and took them advantages and did very well and from that single performacne he was become a multi millionaire and househild name and had a very good career.
Mayweather would of beat him comfortably.
I agree, and Kostya was a rough houser in the ring himself as a pro,no excuses he got beat at his own game and right from the start he said he never felt better and that it would be a punch on.
Also Hatton beat Phillips for Kostya (which is round one of the physche out of the ring game to Hatton).Kostya used to put alot of credance to winning something before the actual fight.
Phillips also stood toe to toe with Kostya and he also beat him at his own game and out powered him,the die was cast.
I think if Kostya had fought some rounds as an ellusive boxer on the outside and a tough hard fighter on the inside he would have stood more chance against both those younger less experienced hungerer men.
Im with you, I hate to say it but in hindsight Mayweather would of beaten all of them cause he flows and adapts in the moment better. You cant beat him at his own game cause he hasnt got one. You have to come with more tools of your own and be prepared to use all of them to get at him, you cant do that thinking only one way.
Re: If it was Mayweather, not Tszyu in the ring that night in Manchester.....
Would not have made much difference I dont think.
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First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!
A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?
Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.
Get out of town ;D Ya must have been wearing them PBF coloured glasses were ya, upto rd5-6 i had Ricky up on the scorecards, up till the point Floyd rabbit punched Ricky whilst his head was outside the ropes.
Regarding the low blow, should a point not have been taken off either man for the low blows then ? Hey whats good for the goose is good for the gander innit :cool:
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THE THIRD MAN
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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?
Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.
Get out of town ;D Ya must have been wearing them PBF coloured glasses were ya, upto rd5-6 i had Ricky up on the scorecards, up till the point Floyd rabbit punched Ricky whilst his head was outside the ropes.
Regarding the low blow, should a point not have been taken off either man for the low blows then ? Hey whats good for the goose is good for the gander innit :cool:
I agree that Tszyu fans sometimes overdo the point, but the fact is that Mayweather would always have been too good for Hatton & no way in hell was Hatton up on the cards at that point. That's extremely generous. I'd give him 2 rounds all fight. I think one thing this whole post forgets is that as excellent a fighter as Tszyu was, he simply isn't in the same league as Mayweather who's a genuine Top 50 minimum ATG, with many having him in the Top 30. Tszyu was a hell of a fighter, but just not quite in that same class. The likes of Mayweather & Pacquiao would always have beaten Hatton simply because the gulf in class was just too deep & that's no disrespect to Hatton, more based on how truly exceptional the guys who beat him are.
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THE THIRD MAN
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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?
Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.
Get out of town ;D Ya must have been wearing them PBF coloured glasses were ya, upto rd5-6 i had Ricky up on the scorecards, up till the point Floyd rabbit punched Ricky whilst his head was outside the ropes.
Regarding the low blow, should a point not have been taken off either man for the low blows then ? Hey whats good for the goose is good for the gander innit :cool:
You had Hatton up on the cards after 5/6 rounds??? You serious, mate you need to take them Hatton glasses off more like it, Hatton i gave two rounds in the whole fight, and a share of another.
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THE THIRD MAN
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Mattyhitman
A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?
Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.
Get out of town ;D Ya must have been wearing them PBF coloured glasses were ya,
upto rd5-6 i had Ricky up on the scorecards, up till the point Floyd rabbit punched Ricky whilst his head was outside the ropes.
Regarding the low blow, should a point not have been taken off either man for the low blows then ? Hey whats good for the goose is good for the gander innit :cool:
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