Does the Winner of Floyd-Mosley become #1 p4p?

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

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Originally Posted by LBSCFC

I say yes. wasnt happy with the circumstances of pacman pulling out of the fight so the winners number 1 in my opinion

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I am with you on the whole Pac/ Blood test issue but the P4P ratings aren't just a popularity competition.

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Aren't they?? :-X

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;D

I don't know why I'm taking a defensive stance on the integrity of P4P ratings given the circumstances :rolleyes:

Like the bible, it' seems open to interpretation, depending on the 'interpreters' standing...

Bible. Now there's a coincidence! :D

After Pacneedle refused to take drug tests I'm not counting him p4p anymore, Floyd is already number one.

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Originally Posted by LukeH

There are too many ways to looks at this... Manny only recieved #1 because Floyd 'retired'. Floyd comes back and beats the man Manny went life and death with... But Marquez was a blow up featherweight. Manny has beaten fighters Floyd beat in more convincing fashion... After Floyd already beat them ( depending on what you would call a more convincing fashion)... Thay have polar opposite styles... and so on and so forth.

For me personally I would put ability and who I think would beat who above pure accomplishments ( not that accomplishments dont count for anything) I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Pac... but in the end of the day this is the nonsense that is pound for pound, for how much it gets talked about it really doesnt mean that much of a deal to most people.

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Pacquiao KO2 Hatton (KTFO of the year + retirement)
Pacquiao TKO9 ODLH (+retirement)

Floyd TKO10 Hatton
He had a Split decision over ODLH

I'm not sure you watched any of these fights. I'd never seen someone get hit as FEW times as Pacquiao in these two fights. Meanwhile Floyd gave up plenty of rounds between these two fighters... I'm just sayin'

If Floyd wins, yes. If Shane wins, no. Mosley hasn't been active enough and he has too recent a loss. Mayweather was already in the conversation and will have beaten a p4p fighter. If Pac were fighting someone a little more elite than Clottey and won it would still be Pac.

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

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Originally Posted by LukeH

There are too many ways to looks at this... Manny only recieved #1 because Floyd 'retired'. Floyd comes back and beats the man Manny went life and death with... But Marquez was a blow up featherweight. Manny has beaten fighters Floyd beat in more convincing fashion... After Floyd already beat them ( depending on what you would call a more convincing fashion)... Thay have polar opposite styles... and so on and so forth.

For me personally I would put ability and who I think would beat who above pure accomplishments ( not that accomplishments dont count for anything) I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Pac... but in the end of the day this is the nonsense that is pound for pound, for how much it gets talked about it really doesnt mean that much of a deal to most people.

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Pacquiao KO2 Hatton (KTFO of the year + retirement)
Pacquiao TKO9 ODLH (+retirement)

Floyd TKO10 Hatton
He had a Split decision over ODLH

I'm not sure you watched any of these fights. I'd never seen someone get hit as FEW times as Pacquiao in these two fights. Meanwhile Floyd gave up plenty of rounds between these two fighters... I'm just sayin'

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surely your not trying to say that the ODLH that got beat off Mayweather is the same man that got battered off Pac. For a start Roach knew Oscar couldn't make 147 anymore, I don't think he'd have taken the fight at 154 which is Oscars comfort zone, even after the below par performance against Forbes.

And Hatton was making ridiculous mistakes against Pac that Floyd had to work for 10 rounds to get out of him. Not to mention the long term damage that Hatton suffered in his long drawn out KO defeat to Floyd, that had to have an effect on him.

Finally if you want tot talk about common opponents and who did better against who Pac drew with (which was fair) and then got a dirty robbing gift decision against JMM Floyd completely destroyed him.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

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Originally Posted by LukeH

There are too many ways to looks at this... Manny only recieved #1 because Floyd 'retired'. Floyd comes back and beats the man Manny went life and death with... But Marquez was a blow up featherweight. Manny has beaten fighters Floyd beat in more convincing fashion... After Floyd already beat them ( depending on what you would call a more convincing fashion)... Thay have polar opposite styles... and so on and so forth.

For me personally I would put ability and who I think would beat who above pure accomplishments ( not that accomplishments dont count for anything) I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Pac... but in the end of the day this is the nonsense that is pound for pound, for how much it gets talked about it really doesnt mean that much of a deal to most people.

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Pacquiao KO2 Hatton (KTFO of the year + retirement)
Pacquiao TKO9 ODLH (+retirement)

Floyd TKO10 Hatton
He had a Split decision over ODLH

I'm not sure you watched any of these fights. I'd never seen someone get hit as FEW times as Pacquiao in these two fights. Meanwhile Floyd gave up plenty of rounds between these two fighters... I'm just sayin'

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surely your not trying to say that the ODLH that got beat off Mayweather is the same man that got battered off Pac. For a start Roach knew Oscar couldn't make 147 anymore, I don't think he'd have taken the fight at 154 which is Oscars comfort zone, even after the below par performance against Forbes.

And Hatton was making ridiculous mistakes against Pac that Floyd had to work for 10 rounds to get out of him. Not to mention the long term damage that Hatton suffered in his long drawn out KO defeat to Floyd, that had to have an effect on him.

Finally if you want tot talk about common opponents and who did better against who Pac drew with (which was fair) and then got a dirty robbing gift decision against JMM Floyd completely destroyed him.

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De La Hoya and Hatton were not the same fighters when Pac faced them that is true, but then everyone brings up that Marquez was the same fighter when Floyd faced him and this is a false statement. You can't have it both ways. And in the JMM fights I had Jmm winning the 2nd fight, but to call a close fight an robbery is absurd. Close fights are not robberies. And even everyone that saw that fight knew it was close. If JMM had won 10 out of 12 rounds and lost that fight, then yeah it's a robbery.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

surely your not trying to say that the ODLH that got beat off Mayweather is the same man that got battered off Pac. For a start Roach knew Oscar couldn't make 147 anymore, I don't think he'd have taken the fight at 154 which is Oscars comfort zone, even after the below par performance against Forbes.

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Just for your information an guidance. Oscar was going to fight at 147 way before the pac fight was made. Pac just took the vacant slot. 147 was Oscar's idea not Pac or Roach.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Finally if you want tot talk about common opponents and who did better against who Pac drew with (which was fair) and then got a dirty robbing gift decision against JMM Floyd completely destroyed him.

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You said that the Oscar that fought Floyd is not the same Oscar that Fought Pac? I think that's what you said and here you're saying that the JMM that fought Floyd is comparable to the one that fought Pac?


Its like playing a game and being the referee at the same time. You make the rules that suits you on the fly.

surely your not trying to say that the ODLH that got beat off Mayweather is the same man that got battered off Pac. For a start Roach knew Oscar couldn't make 147 anymore, I don't think he'd have taken the fight at 154 which is Oscars comfort zone, even after the below par performance against Forbes.

Oh De La Hoya DID end out making 147 didnt he?? <141> But yeah he was a ghost in that fight.

And Hatton was making ridiculous mistakes against Pac that Floyd had to work for 10 rounds to get out of him. Not to mention the long term damage that Hatton suffered in his long drawn out KO defeat to Floyd, that had to have an effect on him.

Ya speculative, but I see what you are saying. Still the midget almost dispatched of him in 1 round.

Finally if you want to talk about common opponents and who did better against who Pac drew with (which was fair) and then got a dirty robbing gift decision against JMM Floyd completely destroyed him.[/QUOTE]

Touche.. But JMM is a natural ~130 not 144+ the extra weight Fat Floyd carried in the ring.

I dunno. I agree with the guy earlier who said the P4P should just be vacated until these 2 chumps fight on a level playing field.

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

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Originally Posted by LukeH

There are too many ways to looks at this... Manny only recieved #1 because Floyd 'retired'. Floyd comes back and beats the man Manny went life and death with... But Marquez was a blow up featherweight. Manny has beaten fighters Floyd beat in more convincing fashion... After Floyd already beat them ( depending on what you would call a more convincing fashion)... Thay have polar opposite styles... and so on and so forth.

For me personally I would put ability and who I think would beat who above pure accomplishments ( not that accomplishments dont count for anything) I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Pac... but in the end of the day this is the nonsense that is pound for pound, for how much it gets talked about it really doesnt mean that much of a deal to most people.

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Pacquiao KO2 Hatton (KTFO of the year + retirement)
Pacquiao TKO9 ODLH (+retirement)

Floyd TKO10 Hatton
He had a Split decision over ODLH

I'm not sure you watched any of these fights. I'd never seen someone get hit as FEW times as Pacquiao in these two fights. Meanwhile Floyd gave up plenty of rounds between these two fighters... I'm just sayin'

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No I wasnt implying that, I was implying that Manny beat them in more convincing fashion.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by CFH

I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.

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So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

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No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

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i disagree. Clottey is just another slow moving, straight up fighter who comes forward, rarely throws combinations, has little head movement and takes a lot of punches. He is in the same mold of Cotto and Hatton, but not as good as those two. Beating Clottey will be no big feat for MP.

While I certainly appreciate the devastating way Manny disposed of Hatton and Cotto, the fact remains that these 2 guys were damaged goods and were TAILOR MADE for MP!! Arum would never have it any other way for his cash cow. And, as others have pointed out-these last 2 wins may very well be suspect.

Mosely and FM are fighters of a different class. They know how to box and Manny has always had trouble with boxers who move, use the ring, slip punches and counter.

I'm convinced that Arum was the one who got scared and backed out of the Mayweather fight. Even Roach wasn't confident that he could prepare MP in such a short time to fight someone like Floyd. And, Arum clearly showed that he didn't want any part of Shane who was begging him for a fight and was willing to do that a much lower weight than 147.

Manny having disposed of better opponents in a more stunning fashion on the average of their respective last 5 fights, I say no but Pacman, though he remains P4P in my book, lost a lot of respect from humbly yours for pretending to be scared of needles and his shadow.