Wladimir: Haye is the only fight I want now, not Peter,Povetkin or anyone

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Haye and his fans say it's an easy ko within 3 rds

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Name the fans that said that? Apart from LeftyLee I can't think of anyone that makes Haye the favourite over Wlad.

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I personally would have him as favourite, i even think he'll knock Wlad out or get a stoppage infact i'm sure of it.

Soon as Haye susses out his range against Wlad his speed will pay huge dividens.

I Spoke to Claude Abrams (Boxing News main man) about this last year as he used to get on my City train into London and we both agreed Haye should steam in and put it right on him... land a bomb early and put Wlad on the back foot then we'll see how Wlad likes it with a real live threat standing in front of him.;)

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Originally Posted by smashup

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Haye and his fans say it's an easy ko within 3 rds

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Name the fans that said that? Apart from LeftyLee I can't think of anyone that makes Haye the favourite over Wlad.

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I personally would have him as favourite, i even think he'll knock Wlad out or get a stoppage infact i'm sure of it.

Soon as Haye susses out his range against Wlad his speed will pay huge dividens.

I Spoke to Claude Abrams (Boxing News main man) about this last year as he used to get on my City train into London and we both agreed Haye should steam in and put it right on him... land a bomb early and put Wlad on the back foot then we'll see how Wlad likes it with a real live threat standing in front of him.;)

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I feel the sameway mate, i don't understand why David Haye is such a big underdog against Wladimir Klitschko either. Wladimir Klitschko hasn't fought a dangerous opponent with speed + power since Corrie Sanders.

I don't really consider guys like Sultan Ibragimov as real dangers, this is the same fighter. Who faded against an ancient Evander Holyfield, and was dropped against Ray Austin and just about scrapped out a draw.

Both guys have got suspect chins, they both have the power to KO eachother. So i see it as quite a toss up IMO, and even against Vitali Klitschko who didn't look that great in his last fight, is so injury prone. It wouldn't shock me if David Haye pulled it off against Vitali Klitschko either.

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Originally Posted by smashup

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Haye and his fans say it's an easy ko within 3 rds

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Name the fans that said that? Apart from LeftyLee I can't think of anyone that makes Haye the favourite over Wlad.

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I personally would have him as favourite, i even think he'll knock Wlad out or get a stoppage infact i'm sure of it.

Soon as Haye susses out his range against Wlad his speed will pay huge dividens.

I Spoke to Claude Abrams (Boxing News main man) about this last year as he used to get on my City train into London and we both agreed Haye should steam in and put it right on him... land a bomb early and put Wlad on the back foot then we'll see how Wlad likes it with a real live threat standing in front of him.;)

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Im still not sold on hayes defence

Even european challengers have at some point been able to land good, clean hard shots on him. Mormeck put him down (more a trip) if either brother lands clean theres gonna be huge problems for haye.

Either brother is stronger than DH, and they both are rangier. Its all if hayes speed and precision can give them problems and whether he can infact land that fight deciding punch that changes the whole course of a contest

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Originally Posted by piye

It's funny how American fight fans have flip flopped on this; I mean I remember everyone hating the Klitscho brothers ad now all of a sudden a british challenger with an exciting style and a big mouth comes along and the Klits are now hero's and Better than Ali. Wow, national bias is pathetic the thing is if an awesome american heavy like tyson or Holyfield came along I would support him. I mean it's really sad to think about because in reality when you think about it Haye is great! big mouth and all action in the ring and he has achieved just about as much as you can in 25 fights unifying one division and winning a title in another. I mean the Klits are good fighters who desserve credit but no one can deny the hatred for them here before.

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Give me a break...lets not turn this into some anti-american bs. I am glad, however, that you are able to lump millions of fight fans with a select few that you have found in the forums. Haye has already ducked both Klits, end of story.

Haye is no Tyson or Holyfield. Both of which are going to the HOF. Is Haye going there? If he fights and beats the klits, maybe.

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Originally Posted by markb018

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Originally Posted by piye

It's funny how American fight fans have flip flopped on this; I mean I remember everyone hating the Klitscho brothers ad now all of a sudden a british challenger with an exciting style and a big mouth comes along and the Klits are now hero's and Better than Ali. Wow, national bias is pathetic the thing is if an awesome american heavy like tyson or Holyfield came along I would support him. I mean it's really sad to think about because in reality when you think about it Haye is great! big mouth and all action in the ring and he has achieved just about as much as you can in 25 fights unifying one division and winning a title in another. I mean the Klits are good fighters who desserve credit but no one can deny the hatred for them here before.

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Give me a break...lets not turn this into some anti-american bs. I am glad, however, that you are able to lump millions of fight fans with a select few that you have found in the forums. Haye has already ducked both Klits, end of story.

Haye is no Tyson or Holyfield. Both of which are going to the HOF. Is Haye going there? If he fights and beats the klits, maybe.

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You are right, that was a bit of a generalization. It's just annoying everyone bar the Klit fans complain about the heavyweight division and then when someone lively comes a long there is a lot of hate, not by everyone but by a majority and it's a bit annoying.

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Originally Posted by piye

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Originally Posted by markb018

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Originally Posted by piye

It's funny how American fight fans have flip flopped on this; I mean I remember everyone hating the Klitscho brothers ad now all of a sudden a british challenger with an exciting style and a big mouth comes along and the Klits are now hero's and Better than Ali. Wow, national bias is pathetic the thing is if an awesome american heavy like tyson or Holyfield came along I would support him. I mean it's really sad to think about because in reality when you think about it Haye is great! big mouth and all action in the ring and he has achieved just about as much as you can in 25 fights unifying one division and winning a title in another. I mean the Klits are good fighters who desserve credit but no one can deny the hatred for them here before.

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Give me a break...lets not turn this into some anti-american bs. I am glad, however, that you are able to lump millions of fight fans with a select few that you have found in the forums. Haye has already ducked both Klits, end of story.

Haye is no Tyson or Holyfield. Both of which are going to the HOF. Is Haye going there? If he fights and beats the klits, maybe.

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You are right, that was a bit of a generalization. It's just annoying everyone bar the Klit fans complain about the heavyweight division and then when someone lively comes a long there is a lot of hate, not by everyone but by a majority and it's a bit annoying.

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I was all pumped about David Haye when he was calling out both Klits, he then backed out of both fights and left a bad taste in my mouth.

I understand what your saying though. Haye is breathing life into the HW division, even he does lose he will bring to life the robot that is Wlad and it is Haye that is doing this

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Originally Posted by markb018

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Originally Posted by piye

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Originally Posted by markb018

Give me a break...lets not turn this into some anti-american bs. I am glad, however, that you are able to lump millions of fight fans with a select few that you have found in the forums. Haye has already ducked both Klits, end of story.

Haye is no Tyson or Holyfield. Both of which are going to the HOF. Is Haye going there? If he fights and beats the klits, maybe.

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You are right, that was a bit of a generalization. It's just annoying everyone bar the Klit fans complain about the heavyweight division and then when someone lively comes a long there is a lot of hate, not by everyone but by a majority and it's a bit annoying.

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I was all pumped about David Haye when he was calling out both Klits, he then backed out of both fights and left a bad taste in my mouth.

I understand what your saying though. Haye is breathing life into the HW division, even he does lose he will bring to life the robot that is Wlad and it is Haye that is doing this

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Exactly. It's a win win situation.

You don't have to like him to recognize that he is a bit of a blessing for the Heavyweight division.

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Originally Posted by themacmagician

Haye and the Klitschkos are in league with each other man, there is no doubt in my mind. One or the other fight will happen for sure. The Klitschko IMO are well aware of the kind of finances at stake with the fight. If they can make the money they do fighting out of shape crusierweights / Light Heavies then the money on show against Haye will be spot on.

I would absolutely love to see Haye win though, unfortunately, the Klits are true Heavyweights, or even Super HW and I reckon after seeing all fail lately that Haye would struggle to get anywhere near inside to land. I don't remember Arreola, SafetyPin Johnson or Chambers get anywhere close to landing clean effective shots.

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Your last sentence is very true, BUT none of them have the speed or explosiveness of Haye. When did either brother fight a man who had true speed at HW, good power at HW, good mobility at HW, someone who is a genuine athlete and isn't carrying about 30lbs of fat and finally (and this yet has to be proved but I believe it to be true) not have a fear of the Klits? Roll these assets into one and you have David Haye.

I'm glad that this fight is looking like coming off, I am a fan of Haye but first and foremost i'm a boxing fan and to me boxing needs the glamour division being spoken all over the world and these are the fights that will get the world talking. I already have had a good 10-15 armchair boxing fans at work asking me who I think wins in these fights and the only other fight I've had these questions about is Pac-Floyd. To me that shows there is a genuine interest out there for these fights.

Only problem I see now in negotiations is I think ODLH would like Haye to be shown on HBO putting in a strong exciting performance in the mould of the Ruiz fight live in the U.S. so he can start the marketing machine going over there for Haye and then get him in with one of the admittedly better known (in the U.S.) Klits. I certainly see the fight coming off in the next 12 months though.

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Originally Posted by FTMatty

That one statement proves to me that you've never really listened to Haye, apart from in post fight interviews.
He is not, by any stretch of the immagination, a gangster wannabe.

Trust me, if he was like that, he'd be about as popular as a fart in a space suit with the majority of white, working class boxing fans in the UK.

He's a good guy who knows what to say to get the press interested. FFS even Wlad is doing it now.

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It's not about the guy being a litteral gangster it's about his show of bravado while behind a microphone followed by his show of cowardice once the contract comes out.

Wlad isn't going to b*tch out of fighting anybody

You guys can compare this WBA title holder to Corrie Sanders all you want but even if Corrie himself fought THIS version of Wladimir then Corrie would be the one knocked out. Wlad is on his game and you are just going to have to prepare to watch YOUR BOY get beaten to hell with just the jab and then taken out in a flash in the 12th with the right cross or left hook. Wlad says he wants the KO to come in the 12th, but I doubt the WBA title holder makes it even halfway there because either he'll be KO'd by then or his trainer will have stopped the fight.

I don't know why everyone tries to bring up "Wlad hasn't fought anyone this dangerous since Corrie Sanders" when the WBA title holder hasn't fought anyone as dangerous as Wlad.......EVER!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by FTMatty

That one statement proves to me that you've never really listened to Haye, apart from in post fight interviews.
He is not, by any stretch of the immagination, a gangster wannabe.

Trust me, if he was like that, he'd be about as popular as a fart in a space suit with the majority of white, working class boxing fans in the UK.

He's a good guy who knows what to say to get the press interested. FFS even Wlad is doing it now.

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It's not about the guy being a litteral gangster it's about his show of bravado while behind a microphone followed by his show of cowardice once the contract comes out.

Wlad isn't going to b*tch out of fighting anybody

You guys can compare this WBA title holder to Corrie Sanders all you want but even if Corrie himself fought THIS version of Wladimir then Corrie would be the one knocked out. Wlad is on his game and you are just going to have to prepare to watch YOUR BOY get beaten to hell with just the jab and then taken out in a flash in the 12th with the right cross or left hook. Wlad says he wants the KO to come in the 12th, but I doubt the WBA title holder makes it even halfway there because either he'll be KO'd by then or his trainer will have stopped the fight.

I don't know why everyone tries to bring up "Wlad hasn't fought anyone this dangerous since Corrie Sanders" when the WBA title holder hasn't fought anyone as dangerous as Wlad.......EVER!

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IMO Haye is far more dangerous than Sanders. He couldn't even KO a genuine CW in Johnny Nelson FFS. Haye is faster, hits harder and is a lot more mobile than any Golfer.

For the record though I too think Wlad right now would beat that Sanders. Steward seems to have found a good fightplan for Wlad and though it's boring it's effective. Of that I cannot argue, I just think "MY BOY" is gonna beat yours.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

IMO Haye is far more dangerous than Sanders. He couldn't even KO a genuine CW in Johnny Nelson FFS. Haye is faster, hits harder and is a lot more mobile than any Golfer.

For the record though I too think Wlad right now would beat that Sanders. Steward seems to have found a good fightplan for Wlad and though it's boring it's effective. Of that I cannot argue, I just think "MY BOY" is gonna beat yours.

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Well I just hope you don't go to peices when Wlad comes out the winner ;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

IMO Haye is far more dangerous than Sanders. He couldn't even KO a genuine CW in Johnny Nelson FFS. Haye is faster, hits harder and is a lot more mobile than any Golfer.

For the record though I too think Wlad right now would beat that Sanders. Steward seems to have found a good fightplan for Wlad and though it's boring it's effective. Of that I cannot argue, I just think "MY BOY" is gonna beat yours.

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Well I just hope you don't go to peices when Wlad comes out the winner ;)

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To be fair, if anyone was likely to go to pieces, it'd be you ;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

IMO Haye is far more dangerous than Sanders. He couldn't even KO a genuine CW in Johnny Nelson FFS. Haye is faster, hits harder and is a lot more mobile than any Golfer.

For the record though I too think Wlad right now would beat that Sanders. Steward seems to have found a good fightplan for Wlad and though it's boring it's effective. Of that I cannot argue, I just think "MY BOY" is gonna beat yours.

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Well I just hope you don't go to peices when Wlad comes out the winner ;)

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If he loses then he'll have lost to the better fighter and I can accept that. Problem is can you?

The dislike for Haye is simple.

Loud mouth fighter enters the Heavyweight division claiming to be the "savior" and promising to clean up the division. First fight is against a shot journeyman fighter who was 3-3 in his last 6 fights.

Loud mouth fighter sits on sidelines for almost a year. Doing lot of talking but no fighting.

Loud mouth fighter demands title shot despite having only beaten a 37 year old shot journeyman in almost 2 years as a Heavyweight. Cleaning up a divsion sure ain't what it use to be

Loud mouth, unproven fighter gets undeserved title shot.

Loud mouth, unproven fighter continues to run his mouth

Loud mouth, unproven fighter cowards out of fight 2 weeks before it's set to take place. Claiming hand injury

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter changes injury from hand to back.

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter is in talks to fight champions brother.

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter biitches out of the fight and instead signs to fight C level paper champion

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter squeaks by C level paper champion.

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter demands 50-50 and wants champion to face his own brother prior to fighting champion.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

The dislike for Haye is simple.

Loud mouth fighter enters the Heavyweight division claiming to be the "savior" and promising to clean up the division. First fight is against a shot journeyman fighter who was 3-3 in his last 6 fights.

Loud mouth fighter sits on sidelines for almost a year. Doing lot of talking but no fighting.

Loud mouth fighter demands title shot despite having only beaten a 37 year old shot journeyman in almost 2 years as a Heavyweight. Cleaning up a divsion sure ain't what it use to be

Loud mouth, unproven fighter gets undeserved title shot.

Loud mouth, unproven fighter continues to run his mouth

Loud mouth, unproven fighter cowards out of fight 2 weeks before it's set to take place. Claiming hand injury

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter changes injury from hand to back.

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter is in talks to fight champions brother.

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter biitches out of the fight and instead signs to fight C level paper champion

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter squeaks by C level paper champion.

Loud mouth, unproven, coward of a fighter demands 50-50 and wants champion to face his own brother prior to fighting champion.

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Damn you're brutal! But honest.;D