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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Did PAC call out Oscar I think it's the other way around don't blame PAC for that. Did any of us hear Cotto complaining about being weight drained for his fight vs PAC? With Margarito, granted he is naturally a junior middleweight IMO hasnt he fought majority of his fights at welterweight so now is 150 lbs an issue too.
Believe me if PAC fought them at their natural weights the steroid issue will be pushed more because he is such a freak, regardless of what people say Pacquiao's David vs Goliath act will be hard to duplicate.
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So, no one disagrees that JMM's recent 5 fights aren't worthy of mentioning with the other guys?
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The hard thing to accept is why a small guy like PAC delivers more excitement and apparently more power to his fights. I'm not hating here in fact I've got some Mayweather fights in my collection too for I believe he is the best pure boxer in the sport.
I'm sorry MODS and members my post has got nothing to do with the topic at hand:)
I'll end it here:)
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
I agree with you on Morales. I think his best weight class was 122.
Barrera was one of ring mag top 10 p4p fighter, reigning WBC title holder (eventhough he refused to accept the belt) and a lineal champ when Pac fought him the first time. So how can you say that's not his best weight class?
Cotto weighed in at 146 when he fought Clottey. So what's the big deal there? Pac started fighting 106.
About De La Hoya at 147. That was DHL's idea.
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
I agree with you on Morales. I think his best weight class was 122.
Barrera was one of ring mag top 10 p4p fighter, reigning WBC title holder (eventhough he refused to accept the belt) and a lineal champ when Pac fought him the first time. So how can you say that's not his best weight class?
Cotto weighed in at 146 when he fought Clottey. So what's the big deal there? Pac started fighting 106.
About De La Hoya at 147. That was DHL's idea.
Barrera's best weight was 122 just like Morales. And if 1 or 2 pounds was no big deal as you are suggesting then why the catchweight fight? Easy to make Cotto weak that's why. So in reality Manny never fought MAB, EM, DLH, Cotto at their best. Only when they were long in the tooth and way past it did the fight was set up.
Just like this upcoming fight with Mosley. Mosley is shot, but Manny lovers like you will say he's "prime" and at his best right now.
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I think Carl Froch has to be up there for current boxers
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Sergio martinez ...no question
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
I agree with you on Morales. I think his best weight class was 122.
Barrera was one of ring mag top 10 p4p fighter, reigning WBC title holder (eventhough he refused to accept the belt) and a lineal champ when Pac fought him the first time. So how can you say that's not his best weight class?
Cotto weighed in at 146 when he fought Clottey. So what's the big deal there? Pac started fighting 106.
About De La Hoya at 147. That was DHL's idea.
Barrera's best weight was 122 just like Morales. And if 1 or 2 pounds was no big deal as you are suggesting then why the catchweight fight? Easy to make Cotto weak that's why. So in reality Manny never fought MAB, EM, DLH, Cotto at their best. Only when they were long in the tooth and way past it did the fight was set up.
Just like this upcoming fight with Mosley. Mosley is shot, but Manny lovers like you will say he's "prime" and at his best right now.
Barrera got defeated at 122. He also got DQed fighting the same guy. That's not the division where he earned his p4p ranking and the lineal belt. So wtf are you talking about? He had a great fight with Morales in that division. But don't get carried away with that homie.
1 pound don't mean jack. And Cotto knew it.
I never said Mosely was in his prime. Don't make shit up. So far I never hear any pacfan say something that... not even in Pacland.
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
I agree with you on Morales. I think his best weight class was 122.
Barrera was one of ring mag top 10 p4p fighter, reigning WBC title holder (eventhough he refused to accept the belt) and a lineal champ when Pac fought him the first time. So how can you say that's not his best weight class?
Cotto weighed in at 146 when he fought Clottey. So what's the big deal there? Pac started fighting 106.
About De La Hoya at 147. That was DHL's idea.
Barrera's best weight was 122 just like Morales. And if 1 or 2 pounds was no big deal as you are suggesting then why the catchweight fight? Easy to make Cotto weak that's why. So in reality Manny never fought MAB, EM, DLH, Cotto at their best. Only when they were long in the tooth and way past it did the fight was set up.
Just like this upcoming fight with Mosley. Mosley is shot, but Manny lovers like you will say he's "prime" and at his best right now.
Barrera got defeated at 122. He also got DQed fighting the same guy. That's not the division where he earned his p4p ranking and the lineal belt. So wtf are you talking about? He had a great fight with Morales in that division. But don't get carried away with that homie.
1 pound don't mean jack. And Cotto knew it.
I never said Mosely was in his prime. Don't make shit up. So far I never hear any pacfan say something that... not even in Pacland.
MAB was the best 122 for years until the Junior Jones fight. And Ring Magazine didn't reinstate the lineal title until around 02 or 03 again. And MAB was already a p4p fighter before going to 126. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 1995 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
You're boxing knowledge is weak homey. It consists of pac, pac, pac, and more pac. And 1 pound don't mean shit but he had to drain Cotto still right? So if 1 pound don't mean shit why not let Cotto come in at 146 or even at the full limit of 147 like he usually does? Because it does mean something. It means a weaker Cotto, that's why. So now you're going to say catchweights don't matter right? Laughable. Spin it all you want but the truth is catchweights are to weaken 1 of the opponents before stepping in the ring with him. Now those are facts.
And about Mosley, your fellow Pares around the internet and other forums think this version of Mosley is better than the one Floyd fought and trying to justify a shot Mosley as some real tough opponent. Another joke from you guys.
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
I agree with you on Morales. I think his best weight class was 122.
Barrera was one of ring mag top 10 p4p fighter, reigning WBC title holder (eventhough he refused to accept the belt) and a lineal champ when Pac fought him the first time. So how can you say that's not his best weight class?
Cotto weighed in at 146 when he fought Clottey. So what's the big deal there? Pac started fighting 106.
About De La Hoya at 147. That was DHL's idea.
Barrera's best weight was 122 just like Morales. And if 1 or 2 pounds was no big deal as you are suggesting then why the catchweight fight? Easy to make Cotto weak that's why. So in reality Manny never fought MAB, EM, DLH, Cotto at their best. Only when they were long in the tooth and way past it did the fight was set up.
Just like this upcoming fight with Mosley. Mosley is shot, but Manny lovers like you will say he's "prime" and at his best right now.
Barrera got defeated at 122. He also got DQed fighting the same guy. That's not the division where he earned his p4p ranking and the lineal belt. So wtf are you talking about? He had a great fight with Morales in that division. But don't get carried away with that homie.
1 pound don't mean jack. And Cotto knew it.
I never said Mosely was in his prime. Don't make shit up. So far I never hear any pacfan say something that... not even in Pacland.
MAB was the best 122 for years until the Junior Jones fight. And Ring Magazine didn't reinstate the lineal title until around 02 or 03 again. And MAB was already a p4p fighter before going to 126.
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 1995 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
You're boxing knowledge is weak homey. It consists of pac, pac, pac, and more pac. And 1 pound don't mean shit but he had to drain Cotto still right? So if 1 pound don't mean shit why not let Cotto come in at 146 or even at the full limit of 147 like he usually does? Because it does mean something. It means a weaker Cotto, that's why. So now you're going to say catchweights don't matter right? Laughable. Spin it all you want but the truth is catchweights are to weaken 1 of the opponents before stepping in the ring with him. Now those are facts.
And about Mosley, your fellow Pares around the internet and other forums think this version of Mosley is better than the one Floyd fought and trying to justify a shot Mosley as some real tough opponent. Another joke from you guys.
Okay you got me. I give you that. Barrera was ranked at number 9 in 1996.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1842878_n.jpg
But he lost that ranking the same year when he got his ass kicked by Junior Jones. He lost 3 times in that division home skillet. But he came back MORE DOMINANT as a 126.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7551557_n.jpg
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
I agree with you on Morales. I think his best weight class was 122.
Barrera was one of ring mag top 10 p4p fighter, reigning WBC title holder (eventhough he refused to accept the belt) and a lineal champ when Pac fought him the first time. So how can you say that's not his best weight class?
Cotto weighed in at 146 when he fought Clottey. So what's the big deal there? Pac started fighting 106.
About De La Hoya at 147. That was DHL's idea.
Barrera's best weight was 122 just like Morales. And if 1 or 2 pounds was no big deal as you are suggesting then why the catchweight fight? Easy to make Cotto weak that's why. So in reality Manny never fought MAB, EM, DLH, Cotto at their best. Only when they were long in the tooth and way past it did the fight was set up.
Just like this upcoming fight with Mosley. Mosley is shot, but Manny lovers like you will say he's "prime" and at his best right now.
Barrera got defeated at 122. He also got DQed fighting the same guy. That's not the division where he earned his p4p ranking and the lineal belt. So wtf are you talking about? He had a great fight with Morales in that division. But don't get carried away with that homie.
1 pound don't mean jack. And Cotto knew it.
I never said Mosely was in his prime. Don't make shit up. So far I never hear any pacfan say something that... not even in Pacland.
MAB was the best 122 for years until the Junior Jones fight. And Ring Magazine didn't reinstate the lineal title until around 02 or 03 again. And MAB was already a p4p fighter before going to 126.
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 1995 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
You're boxing knowledge is weak homey. It consists of pac, pac, pac, and more pac. And 1 pound don't mean shit but he had to drain Cotto still right? So if 1 pound don't mean shit why not let Cotto come in at 146 or even at the full limit of 147 like he usually does? Because it does mean something. It means a weaker Cotto, that's why. So now you're going to say catchweights don't matter right? Laughable. Spin it all you want but the truth is catchweights are to weaken 1 of the opponents before stepping in the ring with him. Now those are facts.
And about Mosley, your fellow Pares around the internet and other forums think this version of Mosley is better than the one Floyd fought and trying to justify a shot Mosley as some real tough opponent. Another joke from you guys.
Okay you got me. I give you that. Barrera was ranked at number 9 in 2006.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1842878_n.jpg
But he lost that ranking the same year when he got his ass kicked by Junior Jones. He lost 3 times in that division home skillet. But he came back MORE DOMINANT as a 126.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7551557_n.jpg
Wow The Yuri Arbachakov guy there #6 lb for lb was the same guy ChaChai Sasakul got his belt from, So that's why it is a lineal title:cool:
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Floyd as a welterweight has never been over 149. Pics really don't tell anything btw. De La Hoya looked bigger than Pac but was actually 1 or 2 pounds less than Pac on fightnight.
If we're talking about weight here, Floyd never had to weight drain his toughest foes to "even" the playing field. Since Pac is being called best p4p I just found it funny that he can't be like the former p4p like Floyd and fight them at their best weight.
Floyd did not fight Judah, Hatton, and JMM at their best weight. FACT
Manny didn't fight Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya at their best weight. Fact.
I agree with you on Morales. I think his best weight class was 122.
Barrera was one of ring mag top 10 p4p fighter, reigning WBC title holder (eventhough he refused to accept the belt) and a lineal champ when Pac fought him the first time. So how can you say that's not his best weight class?
Cotto weighed in at 146 when he fought Clottey. So what's the big deal there? Pac started fighting 106.
About De La Hoya at 147. That was DHL's idea.
Barrera's best weight was 122 just like Morales. And if 1 or 2 pounds was no big deal as you are suggesting then why the catchweight fight? Easy to make Cotto weak that's why. So in reality Manny never fought MAB, EM, DLH, Cotto at their best. Only when they were long in the tooth and way past it did the fight was set up.
Just like this upcoming fight with Mosley. Mosley is shot, but Manny lovers like you will say he's "prime" and at his best right now.
Barrera got defeated at 122. He also got DQed fighting the same guy. That's not the division where he earned his p4p ranking and the lineal belt. So wtf are you talking about? He had a great fight with Morales in that division. But don't get carried away with that homie.
1 pound don't mean jack. And Cotto knew it.
I never said Mosely was in his prime. Don't make shit up. So far I never hear any pacfan say something that... not even in Pacland.
MAB was the best 122 for years until the Junior Jones fight. And Ring Magazine didn't reinstate the lineal title until around 02 or 03 again. And MAB was already a p4p fighter before going to 126.
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 1995 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
You're boxing knowledge is weak homey. It consists of pac, pac, pac, and more pac. And 1 pound don't mean shit but he had to drain Cotto still right? So if 1 pound don't mean shit why not let Cotto come in at 146 or even at the full limit of 147 like he usually does? Because it does mean something. It means a weaker Cotto, that's why. So now you're going to say catchweights don't matter right? Laughable. Spin it all you want but the truth is catchweights are to weaken 1 of the opponents before stepping in the ring with him. Now those are facts.
And about Mosley, your fellow Pares around the internet and other forums think this version of Mosley is better than the one Floyd fought and trying to justify a shot Mosley as some real tough opponent. Another joke from you guys.
Okay you got me. I give you that. Barrera was ranked at number 9 in 2006.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1842878_n.jpg
But he lost that ranking the same year when he got his ass kicked by Junior Jones. He lost 3 times in that division home skillet. But he came back MORE DOMINANT as a 126.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7551557_n.jpg
Wow The Yuri Arbachakov guy there #6 lb for lb was the same guy ChaChai Sasakul got his belt from, So that's why it is a lineal title:cool:
Yeah. Amazing aint' it?
Btw. I meant 1996 not "2006" there.
