Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under. :rolleyes:
There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"
Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.
Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.
But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.
"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."
Guess who that is?
"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."
I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?
This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).
It's this stupid old cunt.
Yep. and once it hits the world news that the two top fighters in the world have settled out of court over a defamation suit and that they had a heated verbal altercation outside the court before agreeing to a 12 round fight in a oversize ring in over sized gloves as a deal to not blood test 10 days out from the fight; over half the worlds population will buy it.
Then they'll fight,sort of.
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
Oh great, another Pacquiao vs. Mayweather thread, get a life people.
Why don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.
:)
:coolclick: ta. ;)
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under. :rolleyes:
There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"
Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.
Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.
But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.
"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."
Guess who that is?
"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."
I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?
This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).
It's this stupid old cunt.
Yep. and once it hits the world news that the two top fighters in the world have settled out of court over a defamation suit and that they had a heated verbal altercation outside the court before agreeing to a 12 round fight in a oversize ring in over sized gloves as a deal to not blood test 10 days out from the fight; over half the worlds population will buy it.
Then they'll fight,sort of.
:lol: :coolclick:
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
Oh great, another Pacquiao vs. Mayweather thread, get a life people.
Why don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.
:)
Jimanuel, this is the 2nd time you've posted something derogatory that the imbecile Horntard, who I have on ignore has posted about me. Apparently you must must agree with him, and find it amuzing. :) So tell you what little cocksucker, i'm gonna put your faggot ass on ignore with him.
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under. :rolleyes:
There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"
Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.
Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.
But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.
"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."
Guess who that is?
"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."
I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?
This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).
It's this stupid old cunt.
Not that many actually do, but you obviously don't understand the hierarchy of how the judicial and legislation systems works in the US. The other thing you fail to realize is that Arum is a Harvard graduate and is board a certified Lawyer with experience in the USDJ otherwise you wouldn't be calling him stupid. Typically legal terms are specifically designed to be vague so that it leaves room for interpretation from each side of an argument.
The use of USADA or WADA as a third parties to administer anti-doping testing of a specif event is not the same thing. Arum point is valid. USADA and WADA are completely different organizations, they have different goals as organizations and exist due to different circumstances. WADA's funds are basically guaranteed, while USADA's funds could end at the next grant decision.
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
This is going to be the new manny pacroid pactard logic isn't it.
'Yes we'll take the random blood tests BUT there's no testing body that we'll allow to do it because we don't think any of them are fair and unbias.' Pactard excuse logic goes to another level.
It's a pretty big slur on the olympics and the athletes involved in it to say that they have chosen a corrupt/biased oganisation to do the testing. But nothing on these matters from pacroid or his team on these matters surprises me anymore.
I love how pactards think that pacroid is going to beat floyd. If this fight happens it will be because floyd knows he can win. If floyd had any doubt he wouldn't take the fight. If floyd takes the fight he wins in a one sided fight more than likely on points. Manny will win the first 3-4 rounds on aggression and out put then from 4 onwards it will be all floyd.
Pacroid logic huh? Im sure a harvard graduate like bob knows what he is doing..or maybe your smarter ? Your post is motivated by your emotions. Check the USDAs history related to this testing. Youll find their head to be what you call "objective".
Man...Why would a guy in Pacs stature bend down to a proven liar and criminal for the sake of "cleaning up the sports" bullshit. Well,sad to say...he did cow tow to floyds demands in a way. Shame on pac for that.
Simply said...floyd would never fight someone that could risk his no loss record. Its like in a basketball game...the pressure mounts while youre trying to break the most consecutive free throws made. Floyd is a self proclaimed GOAT who doesnt walk the talk. In reality,he is way too skilled for Pac to beat.
As for Manny,the guy never claimed to be the best. He is just a boxer with a little above average skill but very gifted physically. Its not drugs at all. Its not even arizas protein stuff. The logic is simple. Why should someone who has reached a stature never reached by any filipino or most sportsmen exposed himself to the risk of getting caught assuming his on peds? Granted urine testing isnt effective but how many boxers where caught using that medium. A guy who is cheating would never even compromise to anything compromise anything.
This fight would never happen...unless floyd grow some balls. Ask Marvin Hagler.
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
Oh great, another Pacquiao vs. Mayweather thread, get a life people.
Why don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.
:)
Jimanuel, this is the 2nd time you've posted something derogatory that the imbecile Horntard, who I have on ignore has posted about me. Apparently you must must agree with him, and find it amuzing. :) So tell you what little cocksucker, i'm gonna put your faggot ass on ignore with him.
:lol: :homo2::gay5::gayfight2::30pr3::bawling::nopity::o ooh::gay-as-steelie:
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
mugabi
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
This is going to be the new manny pacroid pactard logic isn't it.
'Yes we'll take the random blood tests BUT there's no testing body that we'll allow to do it because we don't think any of them are fair and unbias.' Pactard excuse logic goes to another level.
It's a pretty big slur on the olympics and the athletes involved in it to say that they have chosen a corrupt/biased oganisation to do the testing. But nothing on these matters from pacroid or his team on these matters surprises me anymore.
I love how pactards think that pacroid is going to beat floyd. If this fight happens it will be because floyd knows he can win. If floyd had any doubt he wouldn't take the fight. If floyd takes the fight he wins in a one sided fight more than likely on points. Manny will win the first 3-4 rounds on aggression and out put then from 4 onwards it will be all floyd.
Pacroid logic huh? Im sure a harvard graduate like bob knows what he is doing..or maybe your smarter ? Your post is motivated by your emotions. Check the USDAs history related to this testing. Youll find their head to be what you call "objective".
Man...Why would a guy in Pacs stature bend down to a proven liar and criminal for the sake of "cleaning up the sports" bullshit. Well,sad to say...he did cow tow to floyds demands in a way. Shame on pac for that.
Simply said...floyd would never fight someone that could risk his no loss record. Its like in a basketball game...the pressure mounts while youre trying to break the most consecutive free throws made. Floyd is a self proclaimed GOAT who doesnt walk the talk. In reality,he is way too skilled for Pac to beat.
As for Manny,the guy never claimed to be the best. He is just a boxer with a little above average skill but very gifted physically. Its not drugs at all. Its not even arizas protein stuff. The logic is simple. Why should someone who has reached a stature never reached by any filipino or most sportsmen exposed himself to the risk of getting caught assuming his on peds? Granted urine testing isnt effective but how many boxers where caught using that medium. A guy who is cheating would never even compromise to anything compromise anything.
This fight would never happen...unless floyd grow some balls. Ask Marvin Hagler.
No bob's smart. Keep his cash cow away from a guy that's gonna make him look ordinary
Keep him away from testing because it seems to me that even Bob ain't sure that pacroid will test clean.
Keep manny away from testing at all costs, cuz while he's not being tested he won't have to get in the ring with floyd in a fair fight.
Bob Arum is a sensible man.
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
Are you having a fucking laugh?
Pac might beat Floyd... Khan doesn't have the experience or smarts yet. Nowhere near it.
Nor will he ever, certainly not while Floyd is a real force.
This is great news to come back to though, I've been itching to see some boxing news since last sunday but I had very limited internet access so this is the first thing I have seen, going to check the Murray-Mitchell result now then I'll be back to discuss a few topics.
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
Okay I see the 'comedy' (and thus the 'neutrality' issue) but surly that's a bit rich coming coming from Victor fucking Conte! :o
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
mugabi
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
This is going to be the new manny pacroid pactard logic isn't it.
'Yes we'll take the random blood tests BUT there's no testing body that we'll allow to do it because we don't think any of them are fair and unbias.' Pactard excuse logic goes to another level.
It's a pretty big slur on the olympics and the athletes involved in it to say that they have chosen a corrupt/biased oganisation to do the testing. But nothing on these matters from pacroid or his team on these matters surprises me anymore.
I love how pactards think that pacroid is going to beat floyd. If this fight happens it will be because floyd knows he can win. If floyd had any doubt he wouldn't take the fight. If floyd takes the fight he wins in a one sided fight more than likely on points. Manny will win the first 3-4 rounds on aggression and out put then from 4 onwards it will be all floyd.
Pacroid logic huh? Im sure a harvard graduate like bob knows what he is doing..or maybe your smarter ? Your post is motivated by your emotions. Check the USDAs history related to this testing. Youll find their head to be what you call "objective".
Man...Why would a guy in Pacs stature bend down to a proven liar and criminal for the sake of "cleaning up the sports" bullshit. Well,sad to say...he did cow tow to floyds demands in a way. Shame on pac for that.
Simply said...floyd would never fight someone that could risk his no loss record. Its like in a basketball game...the pressure mounts while youre trying to break the most consecutive free throws made. Floyd is a self proclaimed GOAT who doesnt walk the talk. In reality,he is way too skilled for Pac to beat.
As for Manny,the guy never claimed to be the best. He is just a boxer with a little above average skill but very gifted physically. Its not drugs at all. Its not even arizas protein stuff. The logic is simple. Why should someone who has reached a stature never reached by any filipino or most sportsmen exposed himself to the risk of getting caught assuming his on peds? Granted urine testing isnt effective but how many boxers where caught using that medium. A guy who is cheating would never even compromise to anything compromise anything.
This fight would never happen...unless floyd grow some balls. Ask Marvin Hagler.
No bob's smart. Keep his cash cow away from a guy that's gonna make him look ordinary
Keep him away from testing because it seems to me that even Bob ain't sure that pacroid will test clean.
Keep manny away from testing at all costs, cuz while he's not being tested he won't have to get in the ring with floyd in a fair fight.
Bob Arum is a sensible man.
It doesn't surprise me that a promoter like Bob Arum who did everything he could to bring a cheater back to the sport (Tony) is doing everything it takes to prevent Pac from getting his blood tested randomly.
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
Okay I see the 'comedy' (and thus the 'neutrality' issue) but surly that's a bit rich coming coming from Victor fucking Conte! :o
What's hilarious is that when Conte was saying that Pacquiao's refusal to take the tests was suspicious, the Pac-fans were all saying 'he's a cheating scumbag you can't trust a word he says' while the Floyd-lovers were going 'he would know better than anyone else'. Now they've just swapped positions on him with each other ;D
Re: Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
Not that many actually do, but you obviously don't understand the hierarchy of how the judicial and legislation systems works in the US. The other thing you fail to realize is that Arum is a Harvard graduate and is board a certified Lawyer with experience in the USDJ otherwise you wouldn't be calling him stupid. Typically legal terms are specifically designed to be vague so that it leaves room for interpretation from each side of an argument.
The use of USADA or WADA as a third parties to administer anti-doping testing of a specif event is not the same thing. Arum point is valid. USADA and WADA are completely different organizations, they have different goals as organizations and exist due to different circumstances. WADA's funds are basically guaranteed, while USADA's funds could end at the next grant decision.
Wow, yeah I've no idea how the judicial system works particularly on an English common-law principle which both our countries use. I'm well aware that Arum studied law at Harvard, it gets mentioned in every other article about him. But, clearly you're quite protective of Cuddly Ol' Unkie Bob, so would you rather I substitute stupid (which imo has no relation to somebody's educational achievements) with lying? Corrupt? Filthy? Let me know which one is appropriate.
You're second paragraph is similarly vague. They are different organisations, but are their goals really different? They both seem to be heavily in the ethos of preventing cheating in sport. Sounds like the same goal to me. The point is that if Arum gives the contract to WADA, they will simply assign it to USADA as the designated NADO for the US. You're talking about funds & how they exist to fudge the issue, but you're not saying why WADA are ok, but USADA are somehow corrupt?
