Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'

[Majesty]

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The much-anticipated super-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jnr has taken a significant step closer after Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, said his charge is willing to agree to random drug testing - but not by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).
Negotiations have previously collapsed over the timing of sampling, with Pacquiao refusing to accept Mayweather's demands of Olympic-style probes right up until fight night.
But while Arum's revelation does fuel hopes of a bout materialising, the situation is clouded by Pacquiao's decision to file a defamation lawsuit against Mayweather, which has done nothing to quell the animosity between the camps.
"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.
"I don't think anybody's test is as vigorous as the test administered by the Olympic Organization. And we can arrange for the Olympic Organization to handle the test under the supervision of the Athletic commission respective of the state where the fight is going to be held.
"We're not going to make this into a cowboy situation. We have an organization that has no authority [USADA] and even does it [blood testing] without reporting to an organization that is responsible for the conduct of the fight.
"We are focusing on Pacquiao v Marquez fight [on November 12]. And if Pacquiao beats Marquez again and then if Mayweather says he's agreeable to us, then we can have the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight next year."
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Oh for crying out loud. Now you're gonna say the USADA Drug organization isn't neutral despite the fact they work the Olympics. I wonder if Arum realizes how dumb this is all getting.

We want the drug tests with a cut off date, we agree but we want it two weeks before the fight, ok we finally agree to the drug testing, but the USADA can't do it cause we don't believe in them.

Why is no journalist jumping on this

[Violent Demise]

Wonder if they still gonna wanna make Mayweather-Pacquiao with Pacquiao coming off the Marquez loss

Want to sig bet again?

This time you honor the lenght of the deal

We got time to discuss that fight. How about a month sig bet on the fight between Tomiko Kameda (who fights out of Mexico) and Pumar D. Singwancha? Singwancha is one of your kind. It's a good even fight between prospects. I know Pacquiao ain't the only flip you got confidence in right? Don't be a little pussy and support your country man.

Haven't we already addressed that the above f-word is a racial slur?

Minor slip. Anyway the post was directed at Rains who said he doesn't have a problem with it. But since he's being a pussy right now he might all of a sudden have one now. Either way if little girls are gonna keep crying I'll keep it out

That fight is already over.

Now it is. But it wasn't when I first brought it up. You just waited till now to post. Fucking coward

I don't check for respond every hour or day like you.

Of course not. A coward stays out till it's safe

[Hornfinger]

This is going to be the new manny pacroid pactard logic isn't it.

'Yes we'll take the random blood tests BUT there's no testing body that we'll allow to do it because we don't think any of them are fair and unbias.' Pactard excuse logic goes to another level.

It's a pretty big slur on the olympics and the athletes involved in it to say that they have chosen a corrupt/biased oganisation to do the testing. But nothing on these matters from pacroid or his team on these matters surprises me anymore.

I love how pactards think that pacroid is going to beat floyd. If this fight happens it will be because floyd knows he can win. If floyd had any doubt he wouldn't take the fight. If floyd takes the fight he wins in a one sided fight more than likely on points. Manny will win the first 3-4 rounds on aggression and out put then from 4 onwards it will be all floyd.

[Pavlik]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

[Pavlik]

Manny Pacquiao 'agrees to Floyd Mayweather Jnr's demands' | Boxing News | ESPN.co.uk

ESPN staff
July 8, 2011 « Timepiece clocks victory at Newmarket | Maurice Holmes suspended from bowling »
Manny Pacquiao fights Juan Manuel Marquez in November © Getty Images Enlarge


Related Links

• News:
• Khan 'agrees' Mayweather showdown
• News:
• Mayweather 'absolutely' wants Pacquiao fight

• Profile:
• Floyd Mayweather Jnr
• |
• Manny Pacquiao

The much-anticipated super-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jnr has taken a significant step closer after Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, said his charge is willing to agree to random drug testing - but not by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).
Negotiations have previously collapsed over the timing of sampling, with Pacquiao refusing to accept Mayweather's demands of Olympic-style probes right up until fight night.
But while Arum's revelation does fuel hopes of a bout materialising, the situation is clouded by Pacquiao's decision to file a defamation lawsuit against Mayweather, which has done nothing to quell the animosity between the camps.
"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.
"I don't think anybody's test is as vigorous as the test administered by the Olympic Organization. And we can arrange for the Olympic Organization to handle the test under the supervision of the Athletic commission respective of the state where the fight is going to be held.
"We're not going to make this into a cowboy situation. We have an organization that has no authority [USADA] and even does it [blood testing] without reporting to an organization that is responsible for the conduct of the fight.
"We are focusing on Pacquiao v Marquez fight [on November 12]. And if Pacquiao beats Marquez again and then if Mayweather says he's agreeable to us, then we can have the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight next year."
© ESPN EMEA Ltd

Oh for crying out loud. Now you're gonna say the USADA Drug organization isn't neutral despite the fact they work the Olympics. I wonder if Arum realizes how dumb this is all getting.

We want the drug tests with a cut off date, we agree but we want it two weeks before the fight, ok we finally agree to the drug testing, but the USADA can't do it cause we don't believe in them.

Why is no journalist jumping on this

I agree with you Pacquiao's camps statements before were inconsistent and at times illogical. But the bottomline is who is Floyd Mayweather Jr to demand these tests to begin with, quoting Marvin Hagler "Who do you think you are!?, Who do you think you are!?". Now I don't see any reason for this fight not to happen.

[JazMerkin]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that USADA are the Olympic designated authority for the United States through WADA. I actually believe that it's Arum who is responsible for this fight not being seen, having read through the timeline of the first round of negotiations. I would put 80% of the blame on him & 10% each on Floyd & Manny. Stupid old bastard

[GAME]

Bout time this fight happened!! Be interesting to see if mayweather can keep pacmans furious attacks at bay, but also if pacman can get through mayweathers backfoot defense and counter tactics?!? Best two boxers on the planet 50/50 fight....... Get it on!!!

I wouldnt hold your breath but if it does finally happen in 2012 the world will be watching. Im predicting that Pac beats Marquez in November, Floyd beats Ortiz but before the superfight I think Floyd takes on Khan first. Khan beats Judah and we have that as a prelude to the big one. Floyd should get past Khan and that sets up the Nov 2012 showdown.

Its hard to envision Floyd having 2 fights in a year these days but he safely outpoints Khan and Ortiz before the huge clash with Pac. Manny wont have any extra miles on the clcok after finally getting a conclusive victory over Marquez.

[fan johnny]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that USADA are the Olympic designated authority for the United States through WADA. I actually believe that it's Arum who is responsible for this fight not being seen, having read through the timeline of the first round of negotiations. I would put 80% of the blame on him & 10% each on Floyd & Manny. Stupid old bastard

USADA is an independent organization not directly affiliated with any governmental organization which is why congress gave them the authority for testing US competing athletes. The purpose of not using the USOC for administering the testing is an attempt to deter cover ups from happening.

The problem with them is that they do not report (i.e. are not held accountable) to any governmental agency. They also have to produce results or the appearance of results in order to be awarded federal grant money which in itself is a conflict of interest. (We are talking about money in millions that they supposedly can spend however they want) The only connection between WADA and USADA is the list of banned substances and standards by which they test.

In the US typically the systems are setup so there is checks and balances between agencies. No one agency is given all the power. USADA is responsible for checking the athlete and prosecuting the athlete. This is a very bad idea under the US system of government because it leaves the door open to corruption. In USADA case one obvious problem is having to justify their existence which means they will unjustly seek out high profile athletes to prosecute because it will give them more visibility. Case:Lance Armstrong.

You guys have to remember Arum is a Lawyer and understands the rules far and the impact of changing a criteria better than most. It would be better of reporters would question Arums motives rather than jump to conclusions about why he hold a particular position.

[Majesty]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that USADA are the Olympic designated authority for the United States through WADA. I actually believe that it's Arum who is responsible for this fight not being seen, having read through the timeline of the first round of negotiations. I would put 80% of the blame on him & 10% each on Floyd & Manny. Stupid old bastard

USADA is an independent organization not directly affiliated with any governmental organization which is why congress gave them the authority for testing US competing athletes. The purpose of not using the USOC for administering the testing is an attempt to deter cover ups from happening.

The problem with them is that they do not report (i.e. are not held accountable) to any governmental agency. They also have to produce results or the appearance of results in order to be awarded federal grant money which in itself is a conflict of interest. (We are talking about money in millions that they supposedly can spend however they want) The only connection between WADA and USADA is the list of banned substances and standards by which they test.

In the US typically the systems are setup so there is checks and balances between agencies. No one agency is given all the power. USADA is responsible for checking the athlete and prosecuting the athlete. This is a very bad idea under the US system of government because it leaves the door open to corruption. In USADA case one obvious problem is having to justify their existence which means they will unjustly seek out high profile athletes to prosecute because it will give them more visibility. Case:Lance Armstrong.

You guys have to remember Arum is a Lawyer and understands the rules far and the impact of changing a criteria better than most. It would be better of reporters would question Arums motives rather than jump to conclusions about why he hold a particular position.

Only person that Mayweather's fighting that's got a problem with the drug testing is Arum's people. Mosley did it, Ortiz is gonna do it, what the heck is their problem? Next thing you know Arum is gonna ask for only a specific amount of blood to be drained.

[Pavlik]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that USADA are the Olympic designated authority for the United States through WADA. I actually believe that it's Arum who is responsible for this fight not being seen, having read through the timeline of the first round of negotiations. I would put 80% of the blame on him & 10% each on Floyd & Manny. Stupid old bastard

USADA is an independent organization not directly affiliated with any governmental organization which is why congress gave them the authority for testing US competing athletes. The purpose of not using the USOC for administering the testing is an attempt to deter cover ups from happening.

The problem with them is that they do not report (i.e. are not held accountable) to any governmental agency. They also have to produce results or the appearance of results in order to be awarded federal grant money which in itself is a conflict of interest. (We are talking about money in millions that they supposedly can spend however they want) The only connection between WADA and USADA is the list of banned substances and standards by which they test.

In the US typically the systems are setup so there is checks and balances between agencies. No one agency is given all the power. USADA is responsible for checking the athlete and prosecuting the athlete. This is a very bad idea under the US system of government because it leaves the door open to corruption. In USADA case one obvious problem is having to justify their existence which means they will unjustly seek out high profile athletes to prosecute because it will give them more visibility. Case:Lance Armstrong.

You guys have to remember Arum is a Lawyer and understands the rules far and the impact of changing a criteria better than most. It would be better of reporters would question Arums motives rather than jump to conclusions about why he hold a particular position.

Only person that Mayweather's fighting that's got a problem with the drug testing is Arum's people. Mosley did it, Ortiz is gonna do it, what the heck is their problem? Next thing you know Arum is gonna ask for only a specific amount of blood to be drained.

is it because maybe Mosley and Ortiz needs Mayweather more than it is Pacquiao needing Mayweather? Not dickriding but FanJohnny does make sense.

[TitoFan]

2008: How interesting a fight between Pac and Floyd would be!!
2009: They need to fight! What a mega-fight! I'd love to see it!!
2010: Why aren't they fighting already?!? What's the fukking holdup?
2011: Who give a shit?

[Althugz]

2008: How interesting a fight between Pac and Floyd would be!!
2009: They need to fight! What a mega-fight! I'd love to see it!!
2010: Why aren't they fighting already?!? What's the fukking holdup?
2011: Who give a shit?

Love people who pretend that they aren't interested in this fight anymore just to try and sound cool

Why is it that we never hear it from the horses mouth..when is Pacquiao gonna step up and say "I AM WILLING TO TAKE RANDOM DRUG TESTING". Why is it always Arum and Roach??

[Hornfinger]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

Thought about it for a quarter of a second, and no Mayweathers demands are not elaborate in any way. A clean athlete will be happy to show he's clean and be tested by ANYBODY. If pac wants to fight floyd he can take the same tests that floyd, shane, and now ortiz are takin, and we can be sure that we have a fair and even contest.

Pacquiao and his team, the snakes that they are, are now going to say they'll take the test but use the excuse that they don't trust anyone to do the tests.

It's another non scensical bull shit excuse to add to what is now becoming a long list that I have come to expect from team pacroid.

Pacroid doesn't want these tests and he doesn't want to fight floyd mayweather, because he'll be made to look as average as all of floyds other opponants. End of story.

[JazMerkin]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that USADA are the Olympic designated authority for the United States through WADA. I actually believe that it's Arum who is responsible for this fight not being seen, having read through the timeline of the first round of negotiations. I would put 80% of the blame on him & 10% each on Floyd & Manny. Stupid old bastard

USADA is an independent organization not directly affiliated with any governmental organization which is why congress gave them the authority for testing US competing athletes. The purpose of not using the USOC for administering the testing is an attempt to deter cover ups from happening.

The problem with them is that they do not report (i.e. are not held accountable) to any governmental agency. They also have to produce results or the appearance of results in order to be awarded federal grant money which in itself is a conflict of interest. (We are talking about money in millions that they supposedly can spend however they want) The only connection between WADA and USADA is the list of banned substances and standards by which they test.

In the US typically the systems are setup so there is checks and balances between agencies. No one agency is given all the power. USADA is responsible for checking the athlete and prosecuting the athlete. This is a very bad idea under the US system of government because it leaves the door open to corruption. In USADA case one obvious problem is having to justify their existence which means they will unjustly seek out high profile athletes to prosecute because it will give them more visibility. Case:Lance Armstrong.

You guys have to remember Arum is a Lawyer and understands the rules far and the impact of changing a criteria better than most. It would be better of reporters would question Arums motives rather than jump to conclusions about why he hold a particular position.

Only person that Mayweather's fighting that's got a problem with the drug testing is Arum's people. Mosley did it, Ortiz is gonna do it, what the heck is their problem? Next thing you know Arum is gonna ask for only a specific amount of blood to be drained.

is it because maybe Mosley and Ortiz needs Mayweather more than it is Pacquiao needing Mayweather? Not dickriding but FanJohnny does make sense.

I agree that Mosley & Ortiz need Floyd much more than Manny. But I don't agree with Fan Johnny's post, it's full of the kind of bizarre paranoia that in actuality makes no sense. Armstrong is being pursued because of the statements of his team-mates. I see no reason why they would actually try & get a positive test in this case. They've caught enough of a rash of track & field athletes & baseball players to not need to go looking. If WADA are willing to do it, then get them on board, but I fail to see the difference between them doing it & USADA doing it. The argument that USADA is corrupt is baseless. Also I believe WADA doing it means that they have to submit to being tested year-round, so whether they want to submit to that is something else.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.