Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

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03-10-2012, 05:09 PM
TitoFan

Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

"Finito" Lopez
03-10-2012, 06:50 PM
CutMeMick

Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

For my likings... on technical ability.

"Finito" Lopez
"Dinamita" Marquez
"Chava" Sanchez
Roman
Saldivar
"El Maestro" Canto
"Terrible" Morales
"Baby Faced Assassin" Barrera

Honor mentions to: "Maestrito" Lopez
03-10-2012, 09:57 PM
Spicoli

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I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.

You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.

Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.

I dunno man, I think thats honestly selling all three of them a little short when talking about outside technical fighters. Who hasn't looked bad at times facing it? How did Morales look vs long outside Raheem or Espadas again? Not so hot at all and very lucky with gift 'W' in latter. All things considered Marquez wasn't exactly bent over with his pants around his ankles vs Mayweather. He ran defensive Gainer nearly out of the ring and back under Roy jones jrs coat tail. The Norwood fights gets just thrown in all the time as a given but it wasn't so cut and dry and had Marquez been "known" and not making his very first nationally televised (ABC) debut contrary to Morales and Barrera on HBO years earlier it very well could have gone his way. He was the unknown....Norwood was the one being billed as the next coming of a sleeper star and he fought like he was playing timid tennis. Marquez was the aggressor and still dropped him twice. Forget the official tallies, it was pretty close.

Gotta agree with P4P on Hamed being the furthest thing from a "technical" type. He wasn't the aggressor or the outside boxer vs Barrera...Barrera just called his bluff, knocked him off balance and didn't fall into traps, kept his head and as was known then and as its clear now, was the much more well rounded and technically sound boxer. History speaks for itself. I have no doubt Marquez would have done the same.
03-14-2012, 02:34 AM
Jody Lane

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Let me clarify I mean the greatest technician to ever lace them up, so IMO Chavez doesn't qualify, two of the names that instantly pop into my head are Finito Lopez and JMM, who is your pick for the greatest technical fighter to come out of Mexico?

Salvador Sanchez comes to mind, but we'll never know how great he could have been since his life was cut short by a car accident. He was one of the best Mexican fighters ever, that's for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBEms...eature=related

I have to go with Sanchez. He was the master of the featherweights and was only getting better.
03-14-2012, 03:09 AM
FinitoElDinamita

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People often mention Sanchez as the greatest Mexican but as much as he accomplished in a short period of time, to pick him as the greatest is a disrespect to the other Mexican fighters who put in work for years and years.. longevity..

He beat LIttle red lopez, big deal, and he beat a former 122lbs guy in GOmez and also Nelson who was green at the time..

Compare that to someone like Chavez who put in consistent work for long years and Ricardo Lopez who went undefeated regardless of the level of competition..

Chavez, Finito, Marquez and Morales are above Sanchez.. Sanchez is on that Ruben Olivares level...
03-14-2012, 04:06 PM
Mars_ax

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Let me clarify I mean the greatest technician to ever lace them up, so IMO Chavez doesn't qualify, two of the names that instantly pop into my head are Finito Lopez and JMM, who is your pick for the greatest technical fighter to come out of Mexico?

Salvador Sanchez comes to mind, but we'll never know how great he could have been since his life was cut short by a car accident. He was one of the best Mexican fighters ever, that's for sure.

I have to go with Sanchez. He was the master of the featherweights and was only getting better.

Maybe not the best, because his career was cut short, but Sanchez was certainly on his way to becoming the best.
03-14-2012, 07:14 PM
Chino

Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

How about Pipino Cuevas in the list? Sure, he had some defeats in his record but he could pack a punch. Not THE BEST but oh well.
03-15-2012, 01:23 AM
Maravilla2012

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03-15-2012, 07:37 AM
Violent Demise

Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

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Chavez was a brilliant tactical fighter, especially at 130 and 135.

if Chavez hadn't possessed the granite chin and Football helmet of a head of his he would have had been stopped by plenty of the men he faced, his chin made up for his lacking technical skill, i'm not saying that he had no skill or boxing ability cause it's obvious that he did, but there are other fighters who were/are leaps and bounds better from a technical standpoint than Chavez, for instance Lopez, Chavez may be the greatest Mexican fighter but IMO he's hardly the greatest technician to come out of Mexico

Seems Chavez punishing Rosario and embarrising Camacho still stings

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Just because somebody didn't box in a 'classical boxing' style, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be considered technical boxers.

He wasn't Mexican, but for example ..... Roberto Duran wasn't a 'boxer', but he had very very underrated boxing skills and his technique was solid as a rock. Barerra was a boxer/puncher who always got involved in wars ...... but the reason he wiped the floor with Naz was because his boxing technique was superior and it didnt buckle under pressure. Same for Chavez - he was a 'Mexican' fighter and he really redefined that genre - but everything he did was built of solid, professional and well trained high-discipline technique.

I'd agree that sanchez was the more recognised STYLIST, but arguably Chavez and Barrera are also up there for their boxing skills.

His father was Mexican
03-15-2012, 01:02 PM
ElTerribleMorales

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Chavez was a brilliant tactical fighter, especially at 130 and 135.

if Chavez hadn't possessed the granite chin and Football helmet of a head of his he would have had been stopped by plenty of the men he faced, his chin made up for his lacking technical skill, i'm not saying that he had no skill or boxing ability cause it's obvious that he did, but there are other fighters who were/are leaps and bounds better from a technical standpoint than Chavez, for instance Lopez, Chavez may be the greatest Mexican fighter but IMO he's hardly the greatest technician to come out of Mexico

Seems Chavez punishing Rosario and embarrising Camacho still stings

seeing how I was 2 yrs old for the Rosario fight, and don't even rank Camacho too highly in the first point, don't see how it would sting me all that much, nice try though

I didn't downplay Chavez as the greatest fighter to come out of Mexico, but IMO he his defense (or lack of) is what separates him from the likes of Lopez and Marquez
03-21-2012, 05:13 AM
IronDanLaw

Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

Ricardo Lopez
03-22-2012, 01:07 PM
donnydarkoIRL

For me there is a difference between technical and tactical...
A technical boxer masters the fundamentals of defense, attack and countering.
A tactical fighter is more cerebral. They use the weapons at their disposal to come up with The most efficient gameplan for them.

A good technical fighter may be let down by his tactical capacity I.e. Zab Judah

A good tactical fighter can overcome technical limitations to utilize the advantages he does have
I.e. Chavez, Marquez, Barerra
03-22-2012, 10:57 PM
Andre

Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

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Originally Posted by Donny

For me there is a difference between technical and tactical...
A technical boxer masters the fundamentals of defense, attack and countering.
A tactical fighter is more cerebral. They use the weapons at their disposal to come up with The most efficient gameplan for them.

A good technical fighter may be let down by his tactical capacity I.e. Zab Judah

A good tactical fighter can overcome technical limitations to utilize the advantages he does have
I.e. Chavez, Marquez, Barerra

Good post.

Another thread that could be more suited to Mexico would be the biggest heart.
03-23-2012, 06:13 PM
donnydarkoIRL

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Good post.

Another thread that could be more suited to Mexico would be the biggest heart.

Thanks 'dre.
I think in a nationalistic discussion Mexico would probably top the polls for best heart?
03-24-2012, 11:35 AM
GAME

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Originally Posted by Donny

For me there is a difference between technical and tactical...
A technical boxer masters the fundamentals of defense, attack and countering.
A tactical fighter is more cerebral. They use the weapons at their disposal to come up with The most efficient gameplan for them.

A good technical fighter may be let down by his tactical capacity I.e. Zab Judah

A good tactical fighter can overcome technical limitations to utilize the advantages he does have
I.e. Chavez, Marquez, Barerra

Good post.

Another thread that could be more suited to Mexico would be the biggest heart.

I'd vote for Barrera

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