Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

[p4pking]

I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.

You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.

[fan johnny]

I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.

You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.

Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.

[p4pking]

I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.

You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.

Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.

I'd have no idea about Marquez' amatuer career; but even so I'd still mantain that his longevity as opposed to the other two can only be due to his craft. Barrera and Morales never beat top opponents once their reflexes started going, theres no real way to compare the men in this manner without giving JMM an edge. And while Marquez indeed isn't suited to face pure boxers, you can hardly claim Barrera has fared any better against come forward guys, having lost twice in his prime to Junior Jones and being obliterated by Pacquiao. Those were arguably the two best punchers he ever faced. I don't see how Naz is really a good benchmark either, especially given the form he was in facing Barrera. He was about as handy an outside fighter as Brandon Rios on that night, can't imagine Marquez or Morales wouldn't have done a similar number on that fighter.

[GAME]

I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.

You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.

Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.

I'd have no idea about Marquez' amatuer career; but even so I'd still mantain that his longevity as opposed to the other two can only be due to his craft. Barrera and Morales never beat top opponents once their reflexes started going, theres no real way to compare the men in this manner without giving JMM an edge. And while Marquez indeed isn't suited to face pure boxers, you can hardly claim Barrera has fared any better against come forward guys, having lost twice in his prime to Junior Jones and being obliterated by Pacquiao. Those were arguably the two best punchers he ever faced. I don't see how Naz is really a good benchmark either, especially given the form he was in facing Barrera. He was about as handy an outside fighter as Brandon Rios on that night, can't imagine Marquez or Morales wouldn't have done a similar number on that fighter.

Marquez hgasnt been in the wars Morales and Barrera had so thats why he is still around. Erik and Barrera had really good fights and remeber Barrera started in 1989. Marquez has only been inlvoved in exciting fights in the last few years because whilst Barrera was in thrillers with Mckinney in 96 and Morales in 2000, Marquez was being outpointed by Freddie Norwood and Chris John. Thats why he is still about but had he started in 1989 and been involved in wars spanning 4 decades and 9 weight classes like Barrera I think he would be showing his age.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.

You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.

Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.

I'd have no idea about Marquez' amatuer career; but even so I'd still mantain that his longevity as opposed to the other two can only be due to his craft. Barrera and Morales never beat top opponents once their reflexes started going, theres no real way to compare the men in this manner without giving JMM an edge. And while Marquez indeed isn't suited to face pure boxers, you can hardly claim Barrera has fared any better against come forward guys, having lost twice in his prime to Junior Jones and being obliterated by Pacquiao. Those were arguably the two best punchers he ever faced. I don't see how Naz is really a good benchmark either, especially given the form he was in facing Barrera. He was about as handy an outside fighter as Brandon Rios on that night, can't imagine Marquez or Morales wouldn't have done a similar number on that fighter.

Marquez hgasnt been in the wars Morales and Barrera had so thats why he is still around. Erik and Barrera had really good fights and remeber Barrera started in 1989. Marquez has only been inlvoved in exciting fights in the last few years because whilst Barrera was in thrillers with Mckinney in 96 and Morales in 2000, Marquez was being outpointed by Freddie Norwood and Chris John. Thats why he is still about but had he started in 1989 and been involved in wars spanning 4 decades and 9 weight classes like Barrera I think he would be showing his age.

Marquez doesn't show his age as much because he doesn't take as much damage as Barrera and Morales, he more times than not sticks to his game plan and picks his opponents apart, doing more countering rather than trading, you bring up John and Norwood but both are good fighters, it's not like he's lost to unknowns, John is still undefeated regardless of fighting home more than not, neither Morales or Barrera would really solely rely on their boxing ability to beat an elite fighter, that's why in terms of technical skill I'd put Marquez above both, doesn't mean he's any better than the other 2, I personally think each had their own advantage or area where they peak or shined in and Marquez' was technical skills and strategy

[TitoFan]

"Finito" Lopez

[Spicoli]

I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.

You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.

Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.

I dunno man, I think thats honestly selling all three of them a little short when talking about outside technical fighters. Who hasn't looked bad at times facing it? How did Morales look vs long outside Raheem or Espadas again? Not so hot at all and very lucky with gift 'W' in latter. All things considered Marquez wasn't exactly bent over with his pants around his ankles vs Mayweather. He ran defensive Gainer nearly out of the ring and back under Roy jones jrs coat tail. The Norwood fights gets just thrown in all the time as a given but it wasn't so cut and dry and had Marquez been "known" and not making his very first nationally televised (ABC) debut contrary to Morales and Barrera on HBO years earlier it very well could have gone his way. He was the unknown....Norwood was the one being billed as the next coming of a sleeper star and he fought like he was playing timid tennis. Marquez was the aggressor and still dropped him twice. Forget the official tallies, it was pretty close.

Gotta agree with P4P on Hamed being the furthest thing from a "technical" type. He wasn't the aggressor or the outside boxer vs Barrera...Barrera just called his bluff, knocked him off balance and didn't fall into traps, kept his head and as was known then and as its clear now, was the much more well rounded and technically sound boxer. History speaks for itself. I have no doubt Marquez would have done the same.