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I agree with miles that it's absurd this all came out after his death. The guy was a has-been, as far as TV was concerned, for 20 years. It's not like you're bringing down a member of the Royal family.
It's a shame the victims were afraid to break their silence before it mattered to him. He fucked off as Sir Jimmy the much loved eccentric philanthropist. Shame.
Gandi why are you differentiating between those that carried sleeping with him and the other victims that did not. The sick git ruined lives and abused his position. The rot goes into many organisations and there may be others who are a live that could now be caught and brought to justice.
You're an ignorant bigoted cunt Miles. I have told you of something that happened. I could tell you of more It's a fact. It happened. And because it doesn't fit your view you ignore it and carry on ranting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the notion of a 15 year old being a blameless innocent. Savile was likely a bit of a pervert, but many of these teenage girls were sexually aware and were complicit. If you are still shagging the old man into your 20's then you are the idiot. Were you really still playing with Barbie at 15 or did you know a thing or two about the world? I know I did. These were not little girls, these were sexually blossoming teenagers. In centuries gone by you could even marry them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYou're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.
I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.
It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.
If it was children of 6 we were talking about with thumb in mouth and a teddy bear in the free arm, I would be a lot more distressed, but otherwise, not really. Savile is dead and the deeds were done. Have you heard the latest claim? A patient recovering from surgery now confesses to having seen Savile molest a brain damaged patient. I mean really, you come out all these years later and make that public. It has become a feeding frenzy.
Likely some truth, but also likely a lot of horseshit too.
You're a stupid man. Your mind is closed. Worthless.
Shame his victims can't just shrug it offQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I just still cant believe how the sick old fuck got away with it,when there was
so many people in the know.Disgusting:mad:
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyShame his victims can't just shrug it offQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
My instinct tells me I would want an abuser tortured to death, let alone merely punished for their crime, obviously I have no understanding of what it's like to be abused though. If the women have found some solace in revealing what he did now then good, just a shame, to me as an outsider, he got off scot free.
Freddie Starr and others may not.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyShame his victims can't just shrug it offQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
My instinct tells me I would want an abuser tortured to death, let alone merely punished for their crime, obviously I have no understanding of what it's like to be abused though. If the women have found some solace in revealing what he did now then good, just a shame, to me as an outsider, he got off scot free.
As I said before, it went a lot Higher than Saville. See Ted Heaths in the Frame too.
I really don't believe Freddie Star done anything at all.... one money grabbing bitch comes forward NO ONE ELSE to say shit about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
and a shitload of people come forward to including his young babysitter back then saying he was never inappropriate.
the thing that just does not ring true about this woman's story is she claims one time she saw Gary Glitter do something and another time she was touched up by Freddie Star.
not sure what claim happened first but YOU WOULD NOT GO BACK TO THE STUDIO after whichever was first.
Freddie's reaction makes me believe he is innocent and common sense added to the statements from people who know and knew Freddie makes me totally distrust that woman's statement and see it no more than a "lets make money off a fake story" scam.
Freddie could be a total cunt with his humour and temper but he is not a nonce IMHO... its making him ill and that is just wrong on so many levels :mad:
Such an angry woman. You must be on the rag or regret losing your virginity to an older man at 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYou're an ignorant bigoted cunt Miles. I have told you of something that happened. I could tell you of more It's a fact. It happened. And because it doesn't fit your view you ignore it and carry on ranting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI'm sorry, but I don't buy into the notion of a 15 year old being a blameless innocent. Savile was likely a bit of a pervert, but many of these teenage girls were sexually aware and were complicit. If you are still shagging the old man into your 20's then you are the idiot. Were you really still playing with Barbie at 15 or did you know a thing or two about the world? I know I did. These were not little girls, these were sexually blossoming teenagers. In centuries gone by you could even marry them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYou're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.
I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.
It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.
If it was children of 6 we were talking about with thumb in mouth and a teddy bear in the free arm, I would be a lot more distressed, but otherwise, not really. Savile is dead and the deeds were done. Have you heard the latest claim? A patient recovering from surgery now confesses to having seen Savile molest a brain damaged patient. I mean really, you come out all these years later and make that public. It has become a feeding frenzy.
Likely some truth, but also likely a lot of horseshit too.
You're a stupid man. Your mind is closed. Worthless.
I really didn't detect any ranting in my writing. You don't like my stance and therefore find solace in handing out insults.
A 15 year old who bangs an older man and continues doing so for several years is a sexually aware, thinking human being. She could have done something about it, but did nothing. She needs to take some responsibility for saying nothing. It is lame to be coming out only after a man is dead. Savile was an old man for years, this could have come out much sooner and with justice being carried out. It doesn't really do anything now.
How is my mind closed? I admit I think Savile liked fresh meat, but what I also do is raise some questions about the witch hunt, the timing, and the notion of a 15 year old being so innocent. There were plenty of slags at my school of 15-16. Just look at teen pregnancies in recent years, there must be a lot of peado's getting them all up the duff.
But yeah, carry on with your own tunnel vision. We all know mankind is the scourge and usurper of all female life in your world. A woman can never be a sexually knowing slut.
Seriously Miles? Do you not have any understanding of how these things happen whatsoever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I made a number of different observations there. Which point in particular?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisSeriously Miles? Do you not have any understanding of how these things happen whatsoever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
What I do know is that teenagers are most typically sexually aware and that not reporting a man until he is dead is just a little bit pointless.
If guilty then Savile deserves his blame, but so many more are clearly very complicit in the life of Mr Savile.
All of them Miles. You fail to acknowledge or at the very least brush over the fact that these girls were underage, fail to acknowledge that its common for victims to wait until the alleged attacker is dead to say anything. Continue with the idiotic 'if it happened to me' logic. Fail to see the benefit it could bring if there was some kind of conclusion to all this mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI made a number of different observations there. Which point in particular?Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisSeriously Miles? Do you not have any understanding of how these things happen whatsoever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
What I do know is that teenagers are most typically sexually aware and that not reporting a man until he is dead is just a little bit pointless.
If guilty then Savile deserves his blame, but so many more are clearly very complicit in the life of Mr Savile.
He used to always try cop a feel with my ex's Mum and her friends when she worked in a Salon when she was 14/15 ish. She hated him. She told me this years ago by the way. No bandwagon jumping.
When will the allegations about Jimmy Saville end?, now they are even saying Jeremey Beadle had a small hand in it too. ;D