Joe frazier (rip) would be the smallest opponent wlad....

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Schultz was a terrible decision, why do u think foreman declined an immediate rematch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSKZeP-DF6c

Look how dejected and beat up foreman is afterwards, he knew he lost. It was bad that Schultz was given a title shot, but it was worse that he was denied the win after outscoring and outpunching George. Some ppl think Savarese got jobbed, too.

P.s No version of foreman beats vitali (only way vitali loses is on cuts or a feak injury!) Vitali hardly ever loses a round or get's dropped, foreman was dropped by featherfist jimmy young and journeyman ron lyle twice and was also outboxed on numerous



occasions by lesser men than klitschko! Does formen have a shot at knocking out vitali? 240/250lb men like Lennox, sanders and peter couldn't do so, So no!

He has a shot at younger wlad who had stamina and defense issues, but the older version beats him. Ppl like to bring up wlads 3 losses to inferior fighters, wlad has beaten far better men than the 3 men he lost to! Thing is both brewster and purrity were being totally outboxed by wlad before the stoppage, and in truth 2nd forman was struggling with lesser fighters than brewster and purrity, Foreman wins if and only if wlad gasses or makes a rookie mistake but other than that he loses! He's not outboxing WK. And the sanders that wlad, VK and rahman fought has a big chance over foreman.

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He probably didn't take the rematch because he was old, and didn't have long left in boxing. And felt no need to have a rematch, remember he didn't rematch Alex Stewart either and i had that fight a draw. And George Foreman's face was even worse of a mess in that fight. But again they wern't robberies they were close fights, i think i had both fights a draw actually.

As for the Lou Savarese fight that was a close but clear win for George Foreman, didn't think anything was controversial about that fight although i remember it being an underrated fight action wise.

Now the Shannon Briggs fight that is what i call a robbery i had that 8-4 for George
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He wasn't rematching Shultz because he was convinced he was in the Tyson sweepstakes when Tyson came out of prison and as you said he was near the end, and knew it. Shultz had no business fighting for a title and this was the fight that brought the ibf corruption into full view and saw it's head Bob lee indicted for a bribe to have him ranked. Foreman was getting stripped of a belt either way and sure as hell going to do business with Don King and defend against Tony Tucker. The ibf shortly after stripped Delahoya for not it's unknown, unheralded Miguel Julio. Briggs was a terrible call.

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he was in the Tyson sweepstakes

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He wanted tyson? Really? He was stripped for refusing to fight tucker and backed out of a rahman fight!

I think george talked a good game but was never really up for pursuing a tyson fight.

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he was in the Tyson sweepstakes

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He wanted tyson? Really? He was stripped for refusing to fight tucker and backed out of a rahman fight!

I think george talked a good game but was never really up for pursuing a tyson fight.

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The Cooney-Foreman fight was for the chance to fight Tyson and well Tyson never fought the winner of that fight as he would have gotten his ass kicked like a little child

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he was in the Tyson sweepstakes

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He wanted tyson? Really? He was stripped for refusing to fight tucker and backed out of a rahman fight!

I think george talked a good game but was never really up for pursuing a tyson fight.

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The Cooney-Foreman fight was for the chance to fight Tyson and well Tyson never fought the winner of that fight as he would have gotten his ass kicked like a little child

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OK.

What belt was it an eliminator for exactly?

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OK.

What belt was it an eliminator for exactly?

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It wasn't an eliminator it was a fight people were talking about because Mike Tyson was running out of opponents at that point in time (bar Holyfield who was working towards but not ready yet for Tyson so the promoters/pundits thought) as evidenced by his fight a month after the Foreman-Cooney fight with Buster Douglas. After that loss Tyson went to jail, Foreman continued his comeback and the fight never materialized.

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he was in the Tyson sweepstakes

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He wanted tyson? Really? He was stripped for refusing to fight tucker and backed out of a rahman fight!

I think george talked a good game but was never really up for pursuing a tyson fight.

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The Cooney-Foreman fight was for the chance to fight Tyson and well Tyson never fought the winner of that fight as he would have gotten his ass kicked like a little child

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You keep perpetuating that myth hoping it will become real but Tyson fought a far more dangerous Rudduck twice so Foreman would have been easier. Foreman was happier to take on Holyfield instead.

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You keep perpetuating that myth hoping it will become real but Tyson fought a far more dangerous Rudduck twice so Foreman would have been easier. Foreman was happier to take on Holyfield instead.

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What myth?

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You keep perpetuating that myth hoping it will become real but Tyson fought a far more dangerous Rudduck twice so Foreman would have been easier. Foreman was happier to take on Holyfield instead.

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What myth?

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Kabong myth that Foreman would have beaten Tyson during his comeback.

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You keep perpetuating that myth hoping it will become real but Tyson fought a far more dangerous Rudduck twice so Foreman would have been easier. Foreman was happier to take on Holyfield instead.

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Kabong myth that Foreman would have beaten Tyson during his comeback.

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George sure as shit would have beaten Mike Tyson into the canvas!!!! Remember Sonny Liston vs Floyd Patterson??? This would be the very same style match up and I would expect the very same results

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You keep perpetuating that myth hoping it will become real but Tyson fought a far more dangerous Rudduck twice so Foreman would have been easier. Foreman was happier to take on Holyfield instead.

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Kabong myth that Foreman would have beaten Tyson during his comeback.

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George sure as shit would have beaten Mike Tyson into the canvas!!!! Remember Sonny Liston vs Floyd Patterson??? This would be the very same style match up and I would expect the very same results

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Peak George you would have an case but Old George against a still decent Tyson who had not been to jail yet would batter George.

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[Peak George you would have an case but Old George against a still decent Tyson who had not been to jail yet would batter George.

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.....so let me get this straight Old George Foreman was still good enough to win THE heavyweight title but not good enough to beat Mike Tyson who was a damned train wreck at that point in time and who never held meaningful titles after he lost to Buster Douglas?

George Foreman ALWAYS beats Tyson...prime vs prime it's George's power and strength and in his older age it's a psychological war and Tyson just couldn't handle it. And yes it would look 100% like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66dTY43XejM

George Foreman learned a lot from Sonny as you can see just from the style in which he fought. Mike Tyson had Patterson's exact same style, exact same trainer, same fast hands, more power than Patterson (but Foreman had more power than Liston too), and he'd get dominated the same way Patterson did.

Just as I complement you in one post I have to disagree with you on another. Old Foreman won a title against a china chin Moorer who was beating him silly. Old Foreman never fought like that Sonny Liston you just showed he was slower and obvious had less stamina. Tyson fought the more dangerous Rudduck and if he could take his smash he would see out a victory against old Foreman.

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Just as I complement you in one post I have to disagree with you on another. Old Foreman won a title against a china chin Moorer who was beating him silly. Old Foreman never fought like that Sonny Liston you just showed he was slower and obvious had less stamina. Tyson fought the more dangerous Rudduck and if he could take his smash he would see out a victory against old Foreman.

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Oh so Moorer had a china chin eh??? He took Holyfield's punches well enough to win the title off him....and Tyson??? Not so much ;)

Your move pal

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he was in the Tyson sweepstakes

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He wanted tyson? Really? He was stripped for refusing to fight tucker and backed out of a rahman fight!

I think george talked a good game but was never really up for pursuing a tyson fight.

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So Foreman told King and his carefully manuvered and recycled ratings rider Tucker to piss off? Good for him. The same Tucker who had done zero since losing to Lewis and would go on to lose his next three...including being beaten up by the iron willed and future folding lawn chair Bruce Seldon for that trinket. The same wba who stripped it's middleweight champ the same year for "not asking permission" to take a stay busy non title fight and would go on to basically strip Lewis for not fighting John flipping Ruiz? Or the wba that ironically enough sees to rank the bloated %100 shot memory of the same Rahman as it's mandatory challenger for the same title...today!

Backed out of a fight with a Rahman who hadn't even made his professional debut when Foreman was pulverizing Michael Moorer ??? You sir do come up with some peanutty shite! Rahman wasn't even winning a stepping stone trinket before Foreman was
basically done for good.

Talk, mention and interest in a Foreman vs Tyson fight was common knowledge when he came back. Foreman mentioned it every time a camera was on him. $$$! King and Arum had discussions and getting those two to even sit down was a miracle. The bitterness and problem was between King and Foreman, pre and post prison and all the way back to Zaire. You sign with King you sign with the Devil. It had much more potential before both guys faded but I have no doubt Foreman was sincere as Tyson was a cash cow...and a beatable one at that!

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Just as I complement you in one post I have to disagree with you on another. Old Foreman won a title against a china chin Moorer who was beating him silly. Old Foreman never fought like that Sonny Liston you just showed he was slower and obvious had less stamina. Tyson fought the more dangerous Rudduck and if he could take his smash he would see out a victory against old Foreman.

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Oh so Moorer had a china chin eh??? He took Holyfield's punches well enough to win the title off him....and Tyson??? Not so much ;)

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Moorer had a weak chin, you cannot deny that, Holyfield knocked him down in the fight they had the first time and he was having a heart attack during the fight. ;D How many times did Holyfield knock Moorer down in the second fight? Bert Copper? Tua?