America is gonna be ok, know what I'm sayin?

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Question how much does the crazy guy in YB's video cost the taxpayers?

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Back to the guy in the video, Lyle.

Counter-question: How much are the 150 displaced workers from the coal company going to cost the taxpayers? You know... the ones that were fired out of spite because Obama was reelected? Some will get other jobs... but what about the ones that don't? Fired from perfectly good jobs because Obama won. Such is the mentality of some moronic anti-Obama freaks.

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Who said they would bankrupt the coal industry?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I'm glad that @Kirkland Laing could take his precious time to come into my thread and be a condescending prick. That's always so very kind of you. You assume a great deal about me, what I do, what I think, and how I live, and seeing how your head is so far up your own ass you doubtless think yourself a great judge of me. Allow me to point out some flaws in your logic or rather lack there of. I work for my money, I pay my taxes, I see no issue in helping others out I do it on a far greater scale than you would believe and I do not want to pat myself on the back because of it. My reward is that people become self reliant and achieve their own version of the American Dream. What I do not appreciate is the entitlement culture which was perfectly shown in the video I posted but which you probably haven't watched because of your hardline "I don't watch videos" stance :beat: . The issue is not "What percentage of the GDP funds welfare programs" (and it's not only welfare programs, if you watched the video you would have known that) it is that perfectly fit, capable workers, LEARN to be lazy due to those programs. There's nothing wrong in giving a helping hand to a neighbor, but America's "Safety Net" has become a hammock to more than a few and it's money others could use better. Is it wrong for me to expect my fellow countrymen to work for their living the same way I work for mine? Is it wrong to call out a perfectly capable person for being lazy and having no shame of living off of my tax dollars? From your side I guess it is...and that is very sad that someone who claims to be so smart cannot understand the most simple aspects of behavioral psychology which no doubt are hard at work. The entitlement attitude breeds resentment as well as laziness.


"The facts have a strong liberal bias"....$15 Trillion spent on Welfare programs since Lyndon Johnson declared "War on Poverty" in 1964 and we're dangerously close to the poverty rate he started with. This is of course adding in that President Obama has increased funds to such programs by more than $193 Billlion per year. Ooooh and check out this little nugget Federal Welfare spending totals more than $14,848 for every poor man, woman, and child in this country.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf

Yes of course you'll figure out some way to try and weasel out of a straightforward argument because there is 0 way to defend what the people in that video do, but you go right ahead and try.


Also I'd like to thank you for again inferring that I am a racist, I had thought we had settled that some time ago, but it seems you cannot keep from doing that and therefore I'll communicate with you no more after this.

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Without bothering to click the link I can tell you that federal welfare number includes social security and medicare, two things that people pay into the system all their lives for. They're not the kind of welfare payments we're talking about here. Maybe if you actually read alittle about this stuff instead of getting enraged by a dumb video you'd occasionally be right about something. Maybe even try reading your own fucking links occasionally.

Let me explain why you and a lots of your compatriots are currently furious about the entitlemant culture and the huge government spending on it. Since 1980 America has been deregulating and ending oversight and supervision of business. This reached its apex in 2001 when the Bush administration just got the hell out of the way and let the financial industry regulate itself. This created the biggest financial system (not economic) boom in history and Republicans told us that surging stock markets and real estate prices was bringing us a whole new era of prosperity now that the dead hand of government regulation had been replaced by the invisible hand of capitalism.

A few short years later deregulation had worked so well that the financial industry had to go to the government to get them to bail out the system -- to the tune of over tqwenty trillion dollars in loans and guarantees -- to prevent the total meltdown of the financial system and the colapse of the economy. As soon as they got the money they spent a big chunk of it lobbying the government to not ask them for the money back but instead to pay for the bailout by cutting government social programmes, things that had nothing to do with the huge debt increase or deficit but had been targets of the right ever since they were introduced.

So now the media is giving you a fulls court press om the debt/deficit. It's being blamed on workshy scumbags to generate enough popular support among voters who know nothing to give the government cover to slash ss/medicare. They're selling you the debt problem the exact same way they sold you Saddam's fearsome WMD and what they're selling you is equally truthful. Try getting angry at the right people you fucking dummy.

Kirkland is bang on the money as usual. Americans should really be going after Wall Street, but instead would much rather listen to propaganda and turn upon themselves. America has no significant welfare state. What it does have though are hundreds of military bases around the world. You cannot justify those and at the same time decry welfare. Likewise, you cannot defend bailouts and then attack welfare.

You have to be consistent.

Did I defend bailouts? Did the Republicans defend bailouts? Wall Street is a boogey man to take the focus off of DC where real corruption happens and we're seeing it unfold right before our eyes.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Did I defend bailouts? Did the Republicans defend bailouts? Wall Street is a boogey man to take the focus off of DC where real corruption happens and we're seeing it unfold right before our eyes.

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Don't be silly, Lyle. Wall Street is no bogey man. They failed and took all the money and now you are saying that poor people shouldn't have money.

Are you capabale of debating w/o using a strawman or moral relativism argument?

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

capabale

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You're already starting to spell things a bit Hispanically. It's only a matter of time till you start writing Tejas.

What I'm trying to do is explain what's going on to people who don't know what's going on.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Did I defend bailouts? Did the Republicans defend bailouts? Wall Street is a boogey man to take the focus off of DC where real corruption happens and we're seeing it unfold right before our eyes.

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Excellent. So we agree that Wall Street and other big sectors of the economy are buying government so they get what they want, right?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Did I defend bailouts? Did the Republicans defend bailouts? Wall Street is a boogey man to take the focus off of DC where real corruption happens and we're seeing it unfold right before our eyes.

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Excellent. So we agree that Wall Street and other big sectors of the economy are buying government so they get what they want, right?

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Of course, look at "Green Energy" and all the bullshit they've produced from the money Obama has given them. Look at the IPO's of companies like Solyndra and how the corrupt congress men & women can buy up those before it goes public, sell it off when they know it's a house of cards and line their pockets and who gets screwed? The taxpayers, the idealistic liberals who think they can end dependency on oil, and people who invest in companies and want to make money.

Look at the UAW and the deal struck for them by the Democrats which shafted people who owned bonds from GM, that was criminal. In a managed bankruptcy the bond holders would have been the FIRST people paid, but nah those guys are "the evil rich", it's much better to hand the company over to the Union that put it in dire financial straits to begin with.


But I suppose you were looking for something that didn't cast such a bad light on Obama and your fellow liberals.


Also in regards to welfare Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

capabale

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You're already starting to spell things a bit Hispanically. It's only a matter of time till you start writing Tejas.

What I'm trying to do is explain what's going on to people who don't know what's going on.

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I wasn't talking to you and I really don't think you want to start a grammar/spelling correcting contest.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Did I defend bailouts? Did the Republicans defend bailouts? Wall Street is a boogey man to take the focus off of DC where real corruption happens and we're seeing it unfold right before our eyes.

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Excellent. So we agree that Wall Street and other big sectors of the economy are buying government so they get what they want, right?

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Of course, look at "Green Energy" and all the bullshit they've produced from the money Obama has given them. Look at the IPO's of companies like Solyndra and how the corrupt congress men & women can buy up those before it goes public, sell it off when they know it's a house of cards and line their pockets and who gets screwed? The taxpayers, the idealistic liberals who think they can end dependency on oil, and people who invest in companies and want to make money.

Look at the UAW and the deal struck for them by the Democrats which shafted people who owned bonds from GM, that was criminal. In a managed bankruptcy the bond holders would have been the FIRST people paid, but nah those guys are "the evil rich", it's much better to hand the company over to the Union that put it in dire financial straits to begin with.


But I suppose you were looking for something that didn't cast such a bad light on Obama and your fellow liberals.


Also in regards to welfare Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System

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Can we also acknowledge that the GOP also hand out corporate welfare to their financial backers and that both parties are equally bought and paid for by big business?

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

capabale

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You're already starting to spell things a bit Hispanically. It's only a matter of time till you start writing Tejas.

What I'm trying to do is explain what's going on to people who don't know what's going on.

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I wasn't talking to you and I really don't think you want to start a grammar/spelling correcting contest.

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Other than typos my grammar and spelling are perfecto.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Can we also acknowledge that the GOP also hand out corporate welfare to their financial backers and that both parties are equally bought and paid for by big business?

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Oh but of course, when the Democrats do wrong they are only trying to "Keep up with the GOP". and now we're back to Kirkland's good old "It doesn't matter who wins or who loses.....so long as the Republicans lose"

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Can we also acknowledge that the GOP also hand out corporate welfare to their financial backers and that both parties are equally bought and paid for by big business?

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Oh but of course, when the Democrats do wrong they are only trying to "Keep up with the GOP". and now we're back to Kirkland's good old "It doesn't matter who wins or who loses.....so long as the Republicans lose"

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I'm just seeing whether you can agree with me that both parties are entirely bought and paid for by big business. Just a yes or a no is fine.

The only possible difference I can see is Obama's plan to keep spending the same and spend a few trillion over the next four years but I don't think big business is going to be too upset about it.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I'm just seeing whether you can agree with me that both parties are entirely bought and paid for by big business. Just a yes or a no is fine.

The only possible difference I can see is Obama's plan to keep spending the same and spend a few trillion over the next four years but I don't think big business is going to be too upset about it.

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It doesn't really matter what I think Mr. Charts & Graphs now does it? I mean you'll say I'm wrong if I disagree with you and you'll pat yourself on the back if I agree with you.