Re: Addressing the PED problem
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TitoFan
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Beanflicker
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TitoFan
Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.
You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.
Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.
What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?
This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers,
instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.
What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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Violent Demise
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TitoFan
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Beanflicker
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TitoFan
Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.
You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.
Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.
What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?
This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers,
instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.
What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done
Gotta agree, aside from PBF and Pac nobody get much and the biggest pay any boxer will get is if they fight those two.
Look at the other p4p stars of boxer, Nonito got pocket change of $1mill against a good draw in Arce. PBF or Pac get 10 to 20 times that and Nonito is a pretty big draw compare to any other boxer.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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Violent Demise
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TitoFan
This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.
What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done
See below. You take a percentage of the promotional revenue, and maybe even draw a line below which you do not take a percentage. This would provide the much needed funds, without taxing the guys on the lower end of the totem pole.
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Test the top-rated thousand boxers a dozen times a year and it's less than twenty million a year. Pay for it by billing each individual promotion on a sliding scale depending on how much the promotion makes in revenue (obviously Pac Marquez 4 pays a huge slice compared to some non-TV event that features some of the top thousand boxers) and it would work out as a really small promotional expense.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
Face it. The problem WILL be tackled sooner or later. Sooner would be better, and boxing would be seen as proactive. Later means we would wait until some poor bastard died in the ring from getting hammered by a PED-powered opponent... and then everybody would throw their hands up in the air and say "hey, I guess we better do something."
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Roach used twisted packing tape to wrap Oscars hands. And the relationship to peds would be?
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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TitoFan
Don't confuse him with the facts. ;D
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity".
- Martin Luther King Jr.
Stupidity? I'm bringing up logical points and questions (which you've done a great job of bobbing and weaving by the way).
You're asking for HUGE quantities of money to be deducted from fighters and promoters to impliment a system that is just as flawed and cheatable as the one we currently have.
You've brought absolutely NOTHING of substance to the thread. "MAKE THE RICH PAY FOR IT DURHHHH I DONT CARE IF IT WORKS WELL OR NOT WHO CARES THE RICH HAVE MORE MONEY DURHHHHH MAKE THEM MAKE IT GO AWAY."
You're an ignorant child.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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IamInuit
Oh and if all else fails change the subject.
Why don't you address some of the FACTS I brought up?
And why don't you provide a source for that 20 million estimate that it would cost to drug test 1000 fucking boxers 12 times a year.
Get informed before you start spouting off on a subject as complex as this.
I doubt you guys would be able to name 3 different types of steroids without a Google search, and here you are with the solution to end the problem.
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IamInuit
Oh and if all else fails change the subject.
Why don't you address some of the FACTS I brought up?
And why don't you provide a source for that 20 million estimate that it would cost to drug test 1000 fucking boxers 12 times a year.
Facts? You wouldn't know a fact if it came up and slapped your pimply face. WTF does your hard-on for Trinidad's wraps have to do with PEDs? That took whatever credibility you were hoping to have right out the window. After that you just become a sad little fool.
PED testing is expensive, twerp. But having brain-damaged fighters, not to mention the continuing damage to the sport by the PED issue.... is more expensive in the long run. Repeating something I said earlier.... cost should not be an excuse to try and clean up the sport. There's plenty of money in boxing, and some of it can be used for research and/or testing. To do nothing but sit there with your thumbs up your ass.... bellyaching about so-and-so testing positive for PEDs.... is pathetic. Better some action than no action at all.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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TitoFan
Facts? You wouldn't know a fact if it came up and slapped your pimply face. WTF does your hard-on for Trinidad's wraps have to do with PEDs? That took whatever credibility you were hoping to have right out the window. After that you just become a sad little fool.
PED testing is expensive, twerp. But having brain-damaged fighters, not to mention the continuing damage to the sport by the PED issue.... is more expensive in the long run. Repeating something I said earlier.... cost should not be an excuse to try and clean up the sport. There's plenty of money in boxing, and some of it can be used for research and/or testing. To do nothing but sit there with your thumbs up your ass.... bellyaching about so-and-so testing positive for PEDs.... is pathetic. Better some action than no action at all.
My credibility? You'd think defending Tito, a guy who GOT FUCKING CAUGHT WITH ILLEGAL HANDWRAPS, would damage YOUR credibilty. But that would require you to have some kind of footing in logic and reason, which you've made clear that you don't.
You've come up with a solution that makes absolutely no sense. You have absolutely no facts or logic on your side. Your knowledge of PED's is close to nothing. Pipe down and let people who took the time to educate themselves handle the problem.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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Beanflicker
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TitoFan
Facts? You wouldn't know a fact if it came up and slapped your pimply face. WTF does your hard-on for Trinidad's wraps have to do with PEDs? That took whatever credibility you were hoping to have right out the window. After that you just become a sad little fool.
PED testing is expensive, twerp. But having brain-damaged fighters, not to mention the continuing damage to the sport by the PED issue.... is more expensive in the long run. Repeating something I said earlier.... cost should not be an excuse to try and clean up the sport. There's plenty of money in boxing, and some of it can be used for research and/or testing. To do nothing but sit there with your thumbs up your ass.... bellyaching about so-and-so testing positive for PEDs.... is pathetic. Better some action than no action at all.
My credibility? You'd think defending Tito, a guy who GOT FUCKING CAUGHT WITH ILLEGAL HANDWRAPS, would damage YOUR credibilty. But that would require you to have some kind of footing in logic and reason, which you've made clear that you don't.
You've come up with a solution that makes absolutely no sense. You have absolutely no facts or logic on your side. Your knowledge of PED's is close to nothing. Pipe down and let people who took the time to educate themselves handle the problem.
You have no clue as to what illegal handwraps are. You're just a hater... and it oozes out of your pores. You're also an ostrich with your head stuck up your ass. A "negative Nancy" who says nothing can be done to solve what everyone else agrees is a problem. If you're that way in real life... you must be one sorry, pathetic individual.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
Should be mentioned too that there is no global governing body. Athletic commisions vary from state to state (for example, Texas would allow Edwin Valero and Margarito to get a license and fight when no other state would.)
So ok, let's say you get the big one (Nevada) to agree to impliment this new "Testing Tax" on the big guys like Top Rank, GBP, ect. What's to stop the promoter from saying "Ok, well instead of having Floyd vs Pac in Vegas where I'm going to lose a big percentage of my profits to this new tax, I'm going to hold it in New Jersey."
Let's say somehow you get the whole country to agree to it. What's to stop the promoter from holding his big fight in Mexico, England, or a big Canadian city like Toronto or Montreal? This is why the big companies set up overseas: to avoid taxes.
So instead of replying with a "DURRRHHH MONEY EXCUSE COP OUT COP OUT DURRRHH TAX THE RICH TAX THE RICH", why don't you tell me how we avoid this situation?
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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TitoFan
You have no clue as to what illegal handwraps are. You're just a hater... and it oozes out of your pores. You're also an ostrich with your head stuck up your ass. A "negative Nancy" who says nothing can be done to solve what everyone else agrees is a problem. If you're that way in real life... you must be one sorry, pathetic individual.
Again, absolutely no substance or facts.
I would love to solve the PED problem. That's not my issue. My issue is your "solution" is retarded and doesn't work. Calling me an ostrich or a "Negative Nancy" (LOL) doesn't change that fact. This is why people like you don't get to change things and have a say: because you're stupid.
PS. Bouie Fisher sure as hell knew what illegal handwraps were, and your boy got caught... just before he caught BHOP's right hand and caught a nap.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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Beanflicker
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TitoFan
You have no clue as to what illegal handwraps are. You're just a hater... and it oozes out of your pores. You're also an ostrich with your head stuck up your ass. A "negative Nancy" who says nothing can be done to solve what everyone else agrees is a problem. If you're that way in real life... you must be one sorry, pathetic individual.
Again, absolutely no substance or facts.
I would love to solve the PED problem. That's not my issue. My issue is your "solution" is retarded and doesn't work. Calling me an ostrich or a "Negative Nancy" (LOL) doesn't change that fact. This is why people like you don't get to change things and have a say: because you're stupid.
PS. Bouie Fisher sure as hell knew what illegal handwraps were, and your boy got caught... just before he caught BHOP's right hand and caught a nap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvPg9vz3Vg
These are illegal handwraps, asswipe. Trinidad had the same wraps for years and almost 40 fights before Hopkins' corner decided to play mind games and object to the method of wrapping the tape. It is well documented that there was nothing illegal about the wrapping, only that Richardson wanted it changed. Mind games.... something only someone with an actual mind can understand, leaving your ass out.
I'm not giving you a diagram of how to solve the PED problem, only stating that yes it takes money. And there's money in boxing to put into the solution. That's all. Doing something is better than bitching and moaning like you obviously like to do.
Re: Addressing the PED problem
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TitoFan
I'm not giving you a diagram of how to solve the PED problem, only stating that yes it takes money. And there's money in boxing to put into the solution. That's all. Doing something is better than bitching and moaning like you obviously like to do.
I'm not bitching and moaning. I'm telling you the legitimate, real world problems that this proposed system is going to run into. "I DONT CARE LETS JUST THROW MONEY AT THE PROBLEM AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY" is never the right solution. You have to think critically and come up with the most efficient way to do it, not just say "OH SOME MAGICAL GOVERNING BODY THAT DOESN'T EXIST SHOULD JUST TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE BIG PROMOTERS AND MAKE THIS PROBLEM GO AWAY". It's just rediculous.
No one's arguing that there's not enough money in boxing to do it. There's enough money in the bank accounts of rich people to end poverty. The problem is, you don't get to just force the wealthy to hand over their money because you think they should. The world doesn't work like that. What about this concept do you not understand?? As far as I know you haven't refuted anything I've said, you've just accused me of bitching and being a Negative Nancy.
I've never seen so much concentrated idiocy in one thread before. I keep expecting you to just admit you're trolling me.
