Addressing the PED problem

[TitoFan]

Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.

I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.

You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.

Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.

What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?

This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.

[Violent Demise]

Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.

I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.

You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.

Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.

What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?

This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.

What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done

[Julius Rain]

Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.

I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.

You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.

Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.

What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?

This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.

What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done

Gotta agree, aside from PBF and Pac nobody get much and the biggest pay any boxer will get is if they fight those two.

Look at the other p4p stars of boxer, Nonito got pocket change of $1mill against a good draw in Arce. PBF or Pac get 10 to 20 times that and Nonito is a pretty big draw compare to any other boxer.

[TitoFan]

This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.

What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done

See below. You take a percentage of the promotional revenue, and maybe even draw a line below which you do not take a percentage. This would provide the much needed funds, without taxing the guys on the lower end of the totem pole.

Test the top-rated thousand boxers a dozen times a year and it's less than twenty million a year. Pay for it by billing each individual promotion on a sliding scale depending on how much the promotion makes in revenue (obviously Pac Marquez 4 pays a huge slice compared to some non-TV event that features some of the top thousand boxers) and it would work out as a really small promotional expense.

[TitoFan]

Face it. The problem WILL be tackled sooner or later. Sooner would be better, and boxing would be seen as proactive. Later means we would wait until some poor bastard died in the ring from getting hammered by a PED-powered opponent... and then everybody would throw their hands up in the air and say "hey, I guess we better do something."

[IamInuit]

Roach used twisted packing tape to wrap Oscars hands. And the relationship to peds would be?

[beenKOed]

Roach used twisted packing tape to wrap Oscars hands. And the relationship to peds would be?

Let's stay on track. If anyone believes there is not enough money in boxing to do PED testing fairly, without an undo burden on anybody they don't know boxing.
Don't fret about the money, worry about finding somebody we can trust to oversee the the whole thing.
Someone or some org. without a financial interest in boxing that everyone can trust to be fair.

[Beanflicker]

If anyone believes there is not enough money in boxing to do PED testing fairly, without an undo burden on anybody they don't know boxing.

This has nothing to do with boxing anymore, it's a question of science and economics.

Which is why we're running into this debate: these guys know boxing, but they don't understand the science or the economics involved in their ramblings.

For fuck's sake.