Re: How did you score Klitschko v Povetkin?
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the fight would have been completely different if the fouling had have been stopped
the fight finished and we still dont know who is the best boxer or who would have won in a boxing match
the man doesnt deserve his due or any respect for that performance
a decade of holding is a lie to all involvd in boxing and driven purely by money
Jesus Christ, @
El Kabong & @
Freedom have come into some criticism for defending Wlad but some people on here need to take off their rose tinted glasses and jog their memory. Us Brits all loved Frank Bruno, but
his holding to win the World Title from Oliver McCall was just as bad if not worse than what Wlad did on Saturday. I'd take your argument on board @
erics44 if you weren't so in denial that Wlad isn't the only one who does it. Earlier you were basically saying that what Hatton did in the Tszyu fight was within acceptable levels. I'm a huge Hatton fan, I'd say he's one of, if not my all time favourite boxer but he mauled and low blowed Kostya on numerous occasions in that fight and he wasn't admonished by Dave Parris. Either fouling is acceptable or it is not and there shouldn't be a grey area of acceptable levels.
I completely understand being annoyed about it and but banging home double standards in numerous threads is only serving to diminish your argument.
mwaaaaaaaaahaahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha
why are you in so much denial that wlad is cheats and is corrupt when it is so obvious
hatton grappled and punched, wlad holds and clinches and grabs then does it again, you cant truely think that the hatton and tzu fight can in any way be compared to the wlad fight on saturday in terms of holding and fouling?
and im not sure your statement about the low blows is entirely true ;)
You are aware holding and hitting is an illegal tactic right?
I'm not defending Wlad. I was sat in front of the TV on Saturday saying how much bullshit it was that he wasn't warned. But you're acting like the problem is limited to 1 fighter, when the truth of the matter is that alot of fighters get away with bullshit calls from corrupt referees and there are plenty of fighters guilty of similar tactics. Watch Bruno-McCall again if you don't believe me. The last round in particular was a disgrace.
As for Hatton-Tszyu, are you really suggesting that when Hatton walked up to Kostya and blatently punched him in the balls that it had no effect on how Kostya performed for the latter part of the fight? His pissed blood for a week after that fight.
Since you didn't acknowledge it I'll ask again. How can you have double standards by saying Hatton was withing acceptable levels of rule bending but Wlad wasn't? Either fouling is acceptable or it is not and surely by labelling something 'a foul' means it is not acceptable?
i remember one occasion when hatton landed a low blow yes, and it was in reply to tzu doing it just a few seconds before if i remember correctly, tzus was blatent and went unpunished so hatton returned the favour
so yes hatton landed a low blow but i dont remember it being several occasions as you put it, and even if it was 3 (which it wasnt) does that compare to 40 clinches in the first 3 rounds?
the levels of rule bending hatton did was visible, the levels of rule bending wlad does is very much off the scale, hattons tactics approach resembles boxing wlads doesnt, wlads whole appraoch is based on holding, hattons was based on punching
wlad klit is corrupt, money keeps his title not boxing skill
he would no longer be champion if he only bent the rules as much as hatton did
40 clinches in the first 3 rounds, fuck a duck!
Hatton landed lowblows on Tszyu on more than one occasion, and the one that's mostly referred to was completely different than the low punch that Tszyu landed cause Ricky purposefuly landed a pinpoint hook on Kostya's balls, don't try playing double standards buddy, cause Hatton's style was just as ugly and dirty as Wlad was on Saturday, he just didn't have the height to be able to put weight on his opponents
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the fight would have been completely different if the fouling had have been stopped
the fight finished and we still dont know who is the best boxer or who would have won in a boxing match
the man doesnt deserve his due or any respect for that performance
a decade of holding is a lie to all involvd in boxing and driven purely by money
Jesus Christ, @
El Kabong & @
Freedom have come into some criticism for defending Wlad but some people on here need to take off their rose tinted glasses and jog their memory. Us Brits all loved Frank Bruno, but
his holding to win the World Title from Oliver McCall was just as bad if not worse than what Wlad did on Saturday. I'd take your argument on board @
erics44 if you weren't so in denial that Wlad isn't the only one who does it. Earlier you were basically saying that what Hatton did in the Tszyu fight was within acceptable levels. I'm a huge Hatton fan, I'd say he's one of, if not my all time favourite boxer but he mauled and low blowed Kostya on numerous occasions in that fight and he wasn't admonished by Dave Parris. Either fouling is acceptable or it is not and there shouldn't be a grey area of acceptable levels.
I completely understand being annoyed about it and but banging home double standards in numerous threads is only serving to diminish your argument.
mwaaaaaaaaahaahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha
why are you in so much denial that wlad is cheats and is corrupt when it is so obvious
hatton grappled and punched, wlad holds and clinches and grabs then does it again, you cant truely think that the hatton and tzu fight can in any way be compared to the wlad fight on saturday in terms of holding and fouling?
and im not sure your statement about the low blows is entirely true ;)
You are aware holding and hitting is an illegal tactic right?
I'm not defending Wlad. I was sat in front of the TV on Saturday saying how much bullshit it was that he wasn't warned. But you're acting like the problem is limited to 1 fighter, when the truth of the matter is that alot of fighters get away with bullshit calls from corrupt referees and there are plenty of fighters guilty of similar tactics. Watch Bruno-McCall again if you don't believe me. The last round in particular was a disgrace.
As for Hatton-Tszyu, are you really suggesting that when Hatton walked up to Kostya and blatently punched him in the balls that it had no effect on how Kostya performed for the latter part of the fight? His pissed blood for a week after that fight.
Since you didn't acknowledge it I'll ask again. How can you have double standards by saying Hatton was withing acceptable levels of rule bending but Wlad wasn't? Either fouling is acceptable or it is not and surely by labelling something 'a foul' means it is not acceptable?
i remember one occasion when hatton landed a low blow yes, and it was in reply to tzu doing it just a few seconds before if i remember correctly, tzus was blatent and went unpunished so hatton returned the favour
so yes hatton landed a low blow but i dont remember it being several occasions as you put it, and even if it was 3 (which it wasnt) does that compare to 40 clinches in the first 3 rounds?
the levels of rule bending hatton did was visible, the levels of rule bending wlad does is very much off the scale, hattons tactics approach resembles boxing wlads doesnt, wlads whole appraoch is based on holding, hattons was based on punching
wlad klit is corrupt, money keeps his title not boxing skill
he would no longer be champion if he only bent the rules as much as hatton did
40 clinches in the first 3 rounds, fuck a duck!
Hatton landed lowblows on Tszyu on more than one occasion, and the one that's mostly referred to was completely different than the low punch that Tszyu landed cause Ricky purposefuly landed a pinpoint hook on Kostya's balls, don't try playing double standards buddy, cause
Hatton's style was just as ugly and dirty as Wlad was on Saturday, he just didn't have the height to be able to put weight on his opponents
funny
hatton could have landed 10 it was absolutely nowhere near the amount of fouls wlad commited in any one round of that fight
wlad is corrupt and his reign is a farce, based on money and the number of people that get rich every time he fights
buddy
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the fight would have been completely different if the fouling had have been stopped
the fight finished and we still dont know who is the best boxer or who would have won in a boxing match
the man doesnt deserve his due or any respect for that performance
a decade of holding is a lie to all involvd in boxing and driven purely by money
Jesus Christ, @
El Kabong & @
Freedom have come into some criticism for defending Wlad but some people on here need to take off their rose tinted glasses and jog their memory. Us Brits all loved Frank Bruno, but
his holding to win the World Title from Oliver McCall was just as bad if not worse than what Wlad did on Saturday. I'd take your argument on board @
erics44 if you weren't so in denial that Wlad isn't the only one who does it. Earlier you were basically saying that what Hatton did in the Tszyu fight was within acceptable levels. I'm a huge Hatton fan, I'd say he's one of, if not my all time favourite boxer but he mauled and low blowed Kostya on numerous occasions in that fight and he wasn't admonished by Dave Parris. Either fouling is acceptable or it is not and there shouldn't be a grey area of acceptable levels.
I completely understand being annoyed about it and but banging home double standards in numerous threads is only serving to diminish your argument.
mwaaaaaaaaahaahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha
why are you in so much denial that wlad is cheats and is corrupt when it is so obvious
hatton grappled and punched, wlad holds and clinches and grabs then does it again, you cant truely think that the hatton and tzu fight can in any way be compared to the wlad fight on saturday in terms of holding and fouling?
and im not sure your statement about the low blows is entirely true ;)
You are aware holding and hitting is an illegal tactic right?
I'm not defending Wlad. I was sat in front of the TV on Saturday saying how much bullshit it was that he wasn't warned. But you're acting like the problem is limited to 1 fighter, when the truth of the matter is that alot of fighters get away with bullshit calls from corrupt referees and there are plenty of fighters guilty of similar tactics. Watch Bruno-McCall again if you don't believe me. The last round in particular was a disgrace.
As for Hatton-Tszyu, are you really suggesting that when Hatton walked up to Kostya and blatently punched him in the balls that it had no effect on how Kostya performed for the latter part of the fight? His pissed blood for a week after that fight.
Since you didn't acknowledge it I'll ask again. How can you have double standards by saying Hatton was withing acceptable levels of rule bending but Wlad wasn't? Either fouling is acceptable or it is not and surely by labelling something 'a foul' means it is not acceptable?
i remember one occasion when hatton landed a low blow yes, and it was in reply to tzu doing it just a few seconds before if i remember correctly, tzus was blatent and went unpunished so hatton returned the favour
so yes hatton landed a low blow but i dont remember it being several occasions as you put it, and even if it was 3 (which it wasnt) does that compare to 40 clinches in the first 3 rounds?
the levels of rule bending hatton did was visible, the levels of rule bending wlad does is very much off the scale, hattons tactics approach resembles boxing wlads doesnt, wlads whole appraoch is based on holding, hattons was based on punching
wlad klit is corrupt, money keeps his title not boxing skill
he would no longer be champion if he only bent the rules as much as hatton did
40 clinches in the first 3 rounds, fuck a duck!
Hatton landed lowblows on Tszyu on more than one occasion, and the one that's mostly referred to was completely different than the low punch that Tszyu landed cause Ricky purposefuly landed a pinpoint hook on Kostya's balls, don't try playing double standards buddy, cause
Hatton's style was just as ugly and dirty as Wlad was on Saturday, he just didn't have the height to be able to put weight on his opponents
funny
hatton could have landed 10 it was absolutely nowhere near the amount of fouls wlad commited in any one round of that fight
wlad is corrupt and his reign is a farce, based on money and the number of people that get rich every time he fights
buddy
Hatton would throw elbows, clinch, low blow, rush in with his head, he was a dirty aggressive fighter, lets not try to play it as if he was some saint while trying to turn Wlad into B-Hop, c'mon now people, you touted Haye as being the next king of the division, Wlad obliterated him, he had a shitty showing against a guy who wasn't really trying to win and only trying to survive in there, he's beaten everyone put in front of him, so lets not play it as if he's had everything handed to him, and now you say he's a big draw, yet when the Haye fight was in place you claimed it should have been a 50/50 split because Haye was the bigger draw which well obviously is rubbish
like I said, it was a crap fight, both guys are equally at fault, but when it's all said and done, Wlad regardless of what happens down the road will go down as his era's best HW champion with NO ONE coming close apart from his own brother
Re: How did you score Klitschko v Povetkin?
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hatton could have landed 10 it was absolutely nowhere near the amount of fouls wlad commited in any one round of that fight
Amount isn't the issue the issue is either fouling (if it's not called by the ref) is OK or it's NOT and you're saying "Ricky Hatton can foul because he didn't do it as much" and THAT is pure bias.
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hatton could have landed 10 it was absolutely nowhere near the amount of fouls wlad commited in any one round of that fight
Amount isn't the issue the issue is either fouling (if it's not called by the ref) is OK or it's NOT and you're saying "Ricky Hatton can foul because he didn't do it as much" and THAT is pure bias.
no im not
and your answers are so far fetched im starting to think you are taking the piss, you dont believe what you are saying do you?
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no im not
and your answers are so far fetched im starting to think you are taking the piss, you dont believe what you are saying do you?
Your posts are evidence of your bias. You never lament that Hatton fouled when it is brought up you only say "Well when compared to Wlad Hatton did it less" either FOULING is the issue and it's bad eric or it's NOT the issue and you are biased as fuck.
I don't mind how Hatton fought, I don't mind how Holyfield or Hopkins fight. I didn't like how Hopkins would take so many rounds off but nevertheless. The point is if a fighter feels he can get away with doing something which helps his ability to win and the ref doesn't call it then the fighter will continue to do that. For me it doesn't come down to names or country of origin, or race, or style, it's just a broad sweeping if fighter A is not called for rule infraction X then fighter A will continue that infraction if referee B never calls him on it and it's helping fighter A win.
Meanwhile when pressed on this very issue you go back to "Well Ricky didn't foul AS MUCH"...and that's not what you're getting asked. You are getting asked why you haven't ever complained about Hatton's fouling, it's not about how much he did it's the fact Hatton fouled and you never said peep about it ergo your reasoning stumbles upon "fouling was OK when Ricky did it." and that is your bias.
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no im not
and your answers are so far fetched im starting to think you are taking the piss, you dont believe what you are saying do you?
Your posts are evidence of your bias. You never lament that Hatton fouled when it is brought up you only say "Well when compared to Wlad Hatton did it less" either FOULING is the issue and it's bad eric or it's NOT the issue and you are biased as fuck.
I don't mind how Hatton fought, I don't mind how Holyfield or Hopkins fight. I didn't like how Hopkins would take so many rounds off but nevertheless. The point is if a fighter feels he can get away with doing something which helps his ability to win and the ref doesn't call it then the fighter will continue to do that. For me it doesn't come down to names or country of origin, or race, or style, it's just a broad sweeping if fighter A is not called for rule infraction X then fighter A will continue that infraction if referee B never calls him on it and it's helping fighter A win.
Meanwhile when pressed on this very issue you go back to "Well Ricky didn't foul AS MUCH"...and that's not what you're getting asked. You are getting asked why you haven't ever complained about Hatton's fouling, it's not about how much he did it's the fact Hatton fouled and you never said peep about it ergo your reasoning stumbles upon "fouling was OK when Ricky did it." and that is your bias.
in england there is a saying (no doubt in america you have taken the saying and made it shit), i wonder if you have heard of it
The pot calling the kettle black
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in england there is a saying (no doubt in america you have taken the saying and made it shit), i wonder if you have heard of it
The pot calling the kettle black
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How am I biased? I've not bitched on and on about fighters fouling and then ONLY stuck up for Wlad. I'm saying fighters in general tend to foul, if the ref doesn't call it and it's helping them win the fight they will continue to do so.
Meanwhile you're saying "Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad" so you're giving Hatton a pass for fouling and that's why you are biased.
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in england there is a saying (no doubt in america you have taken the saying and made it shit), i wonder if you have heard of it
The pot calling the kettle black
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How am I biased? I've not bitched on and on about fighters fouling and then ONLY stuck up for Wlad. I'm saying fighters in general tend to foul, if the ref doesn't call it and it's helping them win the fight they will continue to do so.
Meanwhile you're saying "Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad" so you're giving Hatton a pass for fouling and that's why you are biased.
just let me correct you on one thing
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad"
should actually read
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but in all of Ricky Hattons fights put together the total number of fouls he committed was not as many as Wlad committed in any one round last saturday night"
by the way, if you actually believe that you are not biast i am starting to believe that you actually believe all of the other stuff you are saying too
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in england there is a saying (no doubt in america you have taken the saying and made it shit), i wonder if you have heard of it
The pot calling the kettle black
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How am I biased? I've not bitched on and on about fighters fouling and then ONLY stuck up for Wlad. I'm saying fighters in general tend to foul, if the ref doesn't call it and it's helping them win the fight they will continue to do so.
Meanwhile you're saying "Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad" so you're giving Hatton a pass for fouling and that's why you are biased.
just let me correct you on one thing
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad"
should actually read
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but in all of Ricky Hattons fights put together the total number of fouls he committed was not as many as Wlad committed in any one round last saturday night"
by the way, if you actually believe that you are not biast i am starting to believe that you actually believe all of the other stuff you are saying too
I'm not a big fan of either guy so I'm 100% un-biased, and Ricky Hatton fouled just as badly in plenty of his fights, he looked like a friggin octopus the way he'd clutch and hold on to guys and then lead in with his head and "smother" them, it's just as dirty, so don't get why you're playing him out to be some saint
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just let me correct you on one thing
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad"
should actually read
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but in all of Ricky Hattons fights put together the total number of fouls he committed was not as many as Wlad committed in any one round last saturday night"
by the way, if you actually believe that you are not biast i am starting to believe that you actually believe all of the other stuff you are saying too
You're missing the point again.
Either holding/clinching is ILLEGAL and therefore both Wlad and Hatton are bad for doing it or Holding/Clinching is fine until the Ref says it's not and Wlad and Hatton are just playing by the rules.
It's one or the other it's not Hatton is great and Wlad is a cheater or vice versa. It's either an acceptable strategy or it isn't don't parse the argument, it's binary, it's wrong or it isn't there's no grey area here
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just let me correct you on one thing
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad"
should actually read
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but in all of Ricky Hattons fights put together the total number of fouls he committed was not as many as Wlad committed in any one round last saturday night"
by the way, if you actually believe that you are not biast i am starting to believe that you actually believe all of the other stuff you are saying too
You're missing the point again.
Either holding/clinching is ILLEGAL and therefore both Wlad and Hatton are bad for doing it or Holding/Clinching is fine until the Ref says it's not and Wlad and Hatton are just playing by the rules.
It's one or the other it's not Hatton is great and Wlad is a cheater or vice versa. It's either an acceptable strategy or it isn't don't parse the argument, it's binary, it's wrong or it isn't there's no grey area here
no im not, youre missing the point, fact :)
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just let me correct you on one thing
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but not as much as Wlad"
should actually read
"Ricky Hatton fouled, but in all of Ricky Hattons fights put together the total number of fouls he committed was not as many as Wlad committed in any one round last saturday night"
by the way, if you actually believe that you are not biast i am starting to believe that you actually believe all of the other stuff you are saying too
You're missing the point again.
Either holding/clinching is ILLEGAL and therefore both Wlad and Hatton are bad for doing it or Holding/Clinching is fine until the Ref says it's not and Wlad and Hatton are just playing by the rules.
It's one or the other it's not Hatton is great and Wlad is a cheater or vice versa. It's either an acceptable strategy or it isn't don't parse the argument, it's binary, it's wrong or it isn't there's no grey area here
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by the way, if you want to compare the situation with other sports and the level of fouling lets do that
a typical football match perhaps has 15 to 20 fouls perhaps in the 90 minutes, resulting in free kicks and perhaps a penalty or two. Some matches have 1 or 2 yellow cards, some 3 or 4, some have 5 or 6. some of those matches are dirtier than others but all within the acceptable and normal level of dirtyness
on saturday night Klitchko FC played Provetkin FC in a huge internation match, the klitchkos referee arrived at the stadium driving the porche which the evenings pay packet had bought him with the initial payment, the rest of the money would be delivered on certain promises of performance
the game kicks off, the Klitchko players are kicking and handballing and scratching and leg sweeping and pulling the shorts down of the opposition from the very start an no free kicks are given
towards the end of the game the ref awards a penalty (the first foul that he has given against the klit fc) to Provetkin FC the score being 12 - 0 to Klit FC.
the whistle blows and Klit FC comfortably win the game and remain the champions
the ref has delivered on his promises and the receives the remainder of his pay cheque, goes home and books a nice holiday :)
just added the point above to highlight the meaning of acceptable levels of foul play in any sport
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Again you're saying the ref is CORRUPT which is shifting the point. I guess the ref for Hatton-Tszyu was corrupt then as well....by your own rational of course ;)
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Again you're saying the ref is CORRUPT which is shifting the point. I guess the ref for Hatton-Tszyu was corrupt then as well....by your own rational of course ;)
check the post above for the difference between wlad fights and the hatton and Tzu fight
my argument has always been the ref is corrupt, that's why he gets away with what he does
its clear for everyone to see
