Re: Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson
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Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.
No, no I havent.....
Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.
Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!
Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".
What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....
U are wrong and a retard
1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.
2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.
Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.
U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him.
The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.
As long as Fury comes in fit and injury free it will pretty much be that way.
Fury was pushed in to a fight with an experienced English title holder just 8 months after turning pro. He gave him a rematch and knocked him out.
Johnson might not get the decision over Chisora but he certainly wont have an easier time against Johnson than Vitali did.
Anyway, Chisora isnt good, Scott is very good and better than all Furys opponents;)
Oh and scott is also better than Johnson;)
I presume u dont bet then? And I presume u dont want to give me odds on Chisora beating Fury this year? Since he has no chance I presume ud happily give me 20/1?
Not a lot. I did a bit a few years ago.
What odds would you offer based on what you think of the two fighters right now?
If they were fighting this weekend in a 12 rounder presume Ive seen they are both in good shape Id quote around 4/11 Fury 28/1 the Draw and 2/1 Chisora. If I got 11/4 or bigger on Chisora Id back him. I give him between a 28 and 32% chance of beating Fury.
Who do you do odds for?
Re: Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson
Paddy Powers. Ill put the odds up for you tomorrow so you can back the sure thing that is Fury :D
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Paddy Powers. Ill put the odds up for you tomorrow so you can back the sure thing that is Fury :D
I like finding underdogs that you can make good money without laying big money.
I did a double once on O Niel Bell beating Jean Marc Mormeck and Carlos Baldomir beating Zab Judah. ;D
Those odds wouldn't attract me and they pretty much say that you know it wasn't just Chisoras fitness that let him down.;)
Re: Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson
What happens if Johnson does win?
Will we get to see another totally pointless rematch for Fury?
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Paddy Power's odds compiler? Serious? Can you stick up more alternative round options this year? Thanks.
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Paddy Power's odds compiler? Serious? Can you stick up more alternative round options this year? Thanks.
Chiz beats Fury this time around. Fury has tried for his big finale payday against a klit or Haye, and failed, for whatever reason. This is his last chance saloon and I personally think that Chiz will do him. Fury will then retire to great pikey celebrity land and Huey will take over the boxing mantle.
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Paddy Power's odds compiler? Serious? Can you stick up more alternative round options this year? Thanks.
What do you want? We do in groups of 3 and either 1-6 or 1-5.
Re: Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson
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Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.
The problem is that apart from Wladimir, not one Heavyweight fighter out there is considered to be "World Class". At some point, these "decent" fighters are going to be considered world class because they're in a shitty era.
Chisora is good. He's entertaining and he always comes to fight. I have alot of respect for guys like that who just want to make a fight. Right now he's on the fringes and I have no problem with him and Fury fighting each other and at some point these "decent" fighters have got to start elimanating each other so we can work out who has the potential to graduate to "World Class". It is time for Fury, Chisora, Wilder, Pulev, Jennings and co to stop with the tomato cans and fight each other.
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Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.
The problem is that apart from Wladimir, not one Heavyweight fighter out there is considered to be "World Class". At some point, these "decent" fighters are going to be considered world class because they're in a shitty era.
Chisora is good. He's entertaining and he always comes to fight. I have alot of respect for guys like that who just want to make a fight. Right now he's on the fringes and I have no problem with him and Fury fighting each other and at some point these "decent" fighters have got to start elimanating each other so we can work out who has the potential to graduate to "World Class". It is time for Fury, Chisora, Wilder, Pulev, Jennings and co to stop with the tomato cans and fight each other.
My hope is another world class heavyweight comes along (Joshua potentially) and clears up just as Wlad retires so I will never have to resort to considering the likes of Chisora or Fury World class
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My hope is another world class heavyweight comes along (Joshua potentially) and clears up just as Wlad retires so I will never have to resort to considering the likes of Chisora or Fury World class
I think if Deontay Wilder does a demolition job on Malik Scott people will be forced to take him seriously. His record of knockouts is impressive but he needed a step up. Malik is another of these "decent" fighters in the division and an impressive win will propel Wilder as a serious contender. Bryant Jennings is another one with serious potential. I think we need an American to prove to be World Class so that the Heavyweight division returns to HBO/Showtime in the Main Event. We also need more than one guy on the scene to make it interesting.
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Chisora could be in big trouble.
If Johnson is fit he will be able to use the skill he has without chasing Chisora and Don Charles has already said they are concerened about the crowd booing because of Johnsons style and that Chisora will make the fight. Johnson will love this. If European level journeymen can hurt Chisora Johnson will too.
Is Johnson fit?
He could well be. He fought a 10 rounder on the 20th of December and went straight in to another training camp to spar with Artur szpilka so he has stayed training and sharp. He has had 3 weeks notice so a couple of weeks to turn it back up.
Warren will regret this.
Johnson being interviewed in the Spilka camp on the 10th of January http://www.ringpolska.pl/artur-szpil...ebami#comments
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/fres...ennings-234843
Re: Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson
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Chisora could be in big trouble.
If Johnson is fit he will be able to use the skill he has without chasing Chisora and Don Charles has already said they are concerened about the crowd booing because of Johnsons style and that Chisora will make the fight. Johnson will love this. If European level journeymen can hurt Chisora Johnson will too.
Is Johnson fit?
He could well be. He fought a 10 rounder on the 20th of December and went straight in to another training camp to spar with Artur szpilka so he has stayed training and sharp. He has had 3 weeks notice so a couple of weeks to turn it back up.
Warren will regret this.
Johnson being interviewed in the Spilka camp on the 10th of January
Johnson o Szpilka - Jennings: Trzymam język za zębami
Boxing News | Fres Oquendo: Szpilka can stop Jennings
Hes 4/1 with a few bookies. Might be worth a dabble?
Re: Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson
Kevin Johnson is a slick boxer, good jab, rarely anything behind it, solid defense, good chin, good reach. Dereck Chisora is a pressure fighter, not the greatest power, he's getting on in years for a pressure fighter, he's squat/short/stocky and in being such his reach isn't that great, his chin is decent enough, but my MAIN question is "Will he be busy enough?" usually that's a question saved for Kevin Johnson, but in this case it's Chisora who needs to come to this fight with something to prove.
This could turn on Chisora and his handlers in a very quick and very ugly way...if Johnson starts the fight off winning rounds regardless of if he gets the nod from the judges it'll put Dereck in a tough spot.
I think Johnson wins the fight, but Chisora may get a SD from the judges
